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(Moved from Mawashi Geri thread)
Anyone NOT practicing this yet? It's a winner!
http://www.johnskillen.com/movies/powerslap2.php
Easy to disguise, easy to target, fast to deliver, no broken knuckles and the best bit? The jaw can't tell the difference!
Not allowed in 'normal' rules though so often ignored, but one of the best tools for SP.
We all love our high kicks, but on a wet street (and it's always raining when you get your kebab) I'd slap someone purple before I risked using one.
Gary
senshido
12-27-2009, 09:13 PM
aye, BC taught this, or a version of it, he threw it with the fist closed and opened the hand just before contact, very usefull
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harukaze
12-27-2009, 09:39 PM
We all saw how effective those can be in Pancrase circa 1995-ish ;)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CFie0ASPCV8&feature=related
And
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eeLnRDL8RaY
andy83
12-27-2009, 10:54 PM
Theese ones can be called slaps...
Godai
12-27-2009, 11:13 PM
I usually add these into my bag work. Been doing so for many years. Actually at first it was an extension of my street days and I was doing a slap to the side of the head and ear. (slap and tackle). I progressed to the power slap type of slaps.
powerof0ne
12-27-2009, 11:55 PM
Friend of mine that owns a couple of BJJ schools in my experience uses only these kinds of hand strikes in real fights..never punches but "slaps" but that was back in the days working club security with him. I still like a good stiff left and right myself but do know that I've heard Bas Rutten comment that he loves palm strikes, too.
Osu!
They're good to practice, but when the adrenals hit the system, an open hand is the last thing on my mind. :D
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BigAl
12-28-2009, 04:14 AM
Cupped hand blows are strong strikes. I like to train them after I've done a lot of bagwork bare-handed and want to keep going.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14d5sK0yl00
powerof0ne
12-28-2009, 05:38 AM
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They're good to practice, but when the adrenals hit the system, an open hand is the last thing on my mind. :D
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Old habits die hard, I'm afraid. I'm lucky that I can at least manage to look like I know some muay thai when the adrenaline hits! Can't leave this world yet, who else would be able to fill these handsome devil's shoes? ;)
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Can't leave this world yet, who else would be able to fill these handsome devil's shoes? ;)
Careful, PowerOfOne! :eek:
FredInChina is taking orders on the concrete versions! :D
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Done the slaps in training before - we worked on the opponent's body (for training) - quite a few people had hand prints on their skin for a few days afterwards :D :D - me likes it very much!!!
BigAl
12-28-2009, 09:48 AM
One of my sempai was really good with powerful open hand blows, especially to the obliques, floating ribs, and biceps.
The difference really between this and 'normal' open handed blows (slaps) is in the hip twist.
The weight placement - as demonstrated by John in the clip - is the key, followed by rotating the hip almost like a discus thrower. This adds extra acceleration to the hand. Rotational power is easier to disguise than aggressive forward momentum and those that appreciate the nuances of door / confined space combat will see the value.
I'm not advocating its use over conventional strikes once the fight has begun, but as a pre-emptive shot it's hard beat.
Gary
Godai
12-28-2009, 12:46 PM
Also, if you notice...his head moves to the outside of his opponent. The opposite side of the slap. this allows the body weight to follow the head and the slap to go through as he adds the hip twist Gary mentioned. He is in, essence, stepping through.
For SP it is another tool and has its moments. Not to mention later with police reports when the bad guy was punching and you were witnessed being more passive and slapping :)
That's true. CCTV has helped put many an innocent man behind bars, purely because punching looks so vehement while a slap looks almost passive. (Your jaw doesn't feel that way though!)
Another advantage is that there is less risk of secondary impact. An uppercut may literally send someone flying with their head smashing backwards onto the pavement. A slap (usually) takes them sideways. The arm and shoulder take the shock of the fall so less risk of skull fractures and the associated internal bleeding / swelling ...
Not to be ignored if you value your freedom.
Gary
powerof0ne
12-28-2009, 05:43 PM
That's true. CCTV has helped put many an innocent man behind bars, purely because punching looks so vehement while a slap looks almost passive. (Your jaw doesn't feel that way though!)
Another advantage is that there is less risk of secondary impact. An uppercut may literally send someone flying with their head smashing backwards onto the pavement. A slap (usually) takes them sideways. The arm and shoulder take the shock of the fall so less risk of skull fractures and the associated internal bleeding / swelling ...
Not to be ignored if you value your freedom.
Gary
Bath tub, hydrochloric acid, and no witnesses. No paper trail to connect you ever buying that hydrochloric acid and don't get rid of the "evidence" on your own property. Hopefully a safe house in another country to lay low for a year or so, maybe five years.
I'm not spending time behind bars for defending myself. Definitely things in the "system" that need to be fixed wehre the truly guilty often times aren't being punished enough and the law abiding citizen gets screwed.
They say it's better to be 6 feet behind bars then 6 feet under but I like to have my cake and eat it, too. A land where child molestors and rapists are free after minimal time behind bars isn't a land I'm proud to call home. Sorry to kind of drive this off the course of the purpose and no, I'm not some crazy person that gets rid of the evidence of people I kill. All I meant to say is that it's just not fair and yes, I'd like more cheese with my whine.
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quite a few people had hand prints on their skin for a few days afterwards :D :D - me likes it very much!!!
Especially in this season, where it is better to give than to receive. :D
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Especially in this season, where it is better to give than to receive. :D
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Dent, given the circumstances, it's always better to give more than you receive!!
This can be such an effective technique. As I understand it, it's different from a palm heel or cupped hand in that the arm, wrist, and hand are relatively loose... and serve more as a whip. We do something like this we call wave technique (not a term we made up, but how it was explained). If you stiff arm it... "it's a no good." (Italian-American accent)
Cupped hand blows are strong strikes. I like to train them after I've done a lot of bagwork bare-handed and want to keep going.
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Looks like the real deal as well. Do you have experience with him or his materials?
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BigAl
01-02-2010, 03:00 AM
Jim Grover/Kelly McCann is the real deal. You can see a lot of techniques taken from karate in his training as well which makes it especially applicable for us: shuto uchi uchi, tettsui oroshi, hiji ate, kansetsu geri, gedan mawashi geri, etc.
meguro
01-02-2010, 03:13 PM
Getting boxed in the ear with a cupped hand sucks! If you are wearing head gear, it is worse as the ear cushions funnel the blast of compressed air directly towards the ear drum. It's like getting punched in the head and getting launched into orbit as your ear "pops". A power slap combo will get you compliance.
I remember being told once that a slap does not count as aggressive violence. If true, it's ideal as a pre-emptive strike, especially since witnesses won't claim you "used karate". A kick to the jewels might be more effective, though.
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A kick to the jewels might be more effective, though.
The head is a bigger target :)
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The head is a bigger target :)
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Maybe, but I hurt me toes kicking people's heads! I never hurt me toes kicking their jewels! ;)
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Maybe, but I hurt me toes kicking people's heads! I never hurt me toes kicking their jewels! ;)
Effective for a Powerslap too, eh? :D
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senshido
01-08-2010, 01:15 PM
Thanks for starting this thread Gary,
this is a technique I havent used for years and had virtually forgotten about, but I was teaching it last night as an option to breaking freezing fingers with a punch.
Cheers
AmericanWerewolf
01-08-2010, 01:49 PM
I guess a slap would be useful but it seems like in a frenzy it would just lead to open hand strikes of a karate nature. The last altercation I had I found myself throwing ridge hands and knife hands simply because I was keeping my hands open to grab onto the aggressor. A power slap does seem logical though and without spoiling the movie for anyone who hasn't seen it but in the recently put out Sherlock holmes flick there is much power slapping to be seen. It is also a good movie.
Godai
01-08-2010, 01:59 PM
I guess a slap would be useful but it seems like in a frenzy it would just lead to open hand strikes of a karate nature.
Osu
This is where constant practice in a live environment comes in. So that we don't revert to instinct but are able to use the tool we want...how we want....when we want. You only slip into other things when you lose control.