View Full Version : How Russians work for their fitness.
nzproud
07-31-2006, 10:53 AM
I saw this small documentary in the 8th(IKO1) world tournament, which I borrowed from my friend.
Man, those russians are hard out.. they sprint hard at high altitude in a mountain , and when they rest they use a skinny tube to breathe in and out.. I believe this is how they work on their cardio and improve their lungs functionning.
http://www.rubberjewelry.com/images/jewelrypics/littube.jpg
nzproud
07-31-2006, 11:00 AM
Here is a picture.
http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/6373/bscap012so3.jpg
Ryo014
07-31-2006, 05:12 PM
I saw this small documentary in the 8th(IKO1) world tournament, which I borrowed from my friend.
Man, those russians are hard out.. they sprint hard at high altitude in a mountain , and when they rest they use a skinny tube to breathe in and out.. I believe this is how they work on their cardio and improve their lungs functionning.
Please, can you explain a little more their lungs functionning ?
Thank
nzproud
08-01-2006, 01:22 PM
Osu! Ryo14,
what do you mean? They train and sprint athigh altitude where oxygen level is very low, and after each sprints they use the tube to breathe, thus it makes the ir lungs stronger(can't be good :/) and more effective for tournament fightings.
bushido spirit
07-16-2007, 01:38 PM
i should try it my self , down here its very hot nd humid the breathing is hard some how :S......
feels
07-17-2007, 10:42 PM
Personally, I wouldn't recommend this. There are far more efficient methods of cardio and recovery, not to mention the lack of bloating, which is an unnecessary health risk.
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fighting spirit
08-02-2007, 10:59 PM
wht it does is that it elarges the lungs by making it prepared to contain and accept the largest oxygen quantity(lungs reach the maximum), in the first dayz the trainees will experience vomiting, but when they get used to it, they will be fearless, and will be physicaly stronger
fighting spirit
10-08-2007, 09:48 PM
i approve of it......4 honor u should push ur self to the limit by using bizaar way of training.......tht is mean definition of KARATE-DO
intwominds
10-08-2007, 09:58 PM
i approve of it......4 honor u should push ur self to the limit by using bizaar way of training.......tht is mean definition of KARATE-DO
Sure there are times I push myself to beyond what I thought I could achieve, but I don't necessarily agree that I need to use bizarre ways of training to achieve honour. When I do something extremely well, I feel honour, when my sempai gives me feedback (either good or bad) I feel honour. If you are a committed, persistent, courteous (etc) student in the dojo, then I think you are a good karateka.
twosix
10-11-2007, 10:31 AM
NzProud
The Russians have been doing good in tornaments after the dominance of Japanes and chinese fighters, maybe it has to do with bizzare training methods
nzproud
10-11-2007, 11:10 AM
Osu. Yes. crazyRussian has explained their training in this thread.
http://www.kyokushin4life.com/forums/kyokushin-karate/3410-explaining-why-russians-good-tournament-fighting.html
andy83
10-11-2007, 03:15 PM
It's quite unefficient.
Then they make it for feel more powerful or to train the will power, it's allright.
kanku
10-11-2007, 04:12 PM
i`m convinced bizzare training methods are nothing to do with there success...most of the top russians don`t work 45hrs a week and then have other chores to do and fit their training in around this,they train full time like olympic athletes and dedicate their lives to what they are doing and somehow manage to earn a living within their training.
if you got anybody with a natural talent and trained them six hours a day,six or seven days a week under a good instructor who could also instill the "spirit" into them i am sure they would be equally as good.
i`ve seen dvd`s of some of the top russians fighting in casinos etc can you imagine some of englands finest having a punch up in brighton casino for a couple of grand each?
no, i think the russians are hungry for success and their dedication achieves this??
does anybody have a different opinion?
andy83
10-11-2007, 06:33 PM
The most of Est-Europe Kyokushin athletes have a different way of training, or well a different way of thinking things, if you understand. The same thread is for the women class.
krishanu
11-17-2007, 09:02 AM
This is dangerous but this is also how Kenya produces so many marathon runners. The highlands of Kenya are where they practice and since the air is thinner they use oxygen more efficiently when they come down to sea level. However i woudnt recommend this. I've suffered altitude sickness on more than one occasion and it isnt nice. In severe cases it can kill.
great post, i think its a hard way to train your lungs but it must be effective in the ring when your under pressure.
jcbel
01-25-2008, 10:29 PM
Man, those russians are hard out.. they sprint hard at high altitude in a mountain , and when they rest they use a skinny tube to breathe in and out.. I believe this is how they work on their cardio and improve their lungs functionning.
I've seen a picture from Pavel Tsatsouline's book "Bullet-Proof Abs" where he inflates a hot water bottle and ruptures it by blowing into it...!
The old school bodie builders were pros with the old strong lungs. Pumping ion is a glassic Jcbel.
49ers1970
01-13-2009, 05:45 PM
Osu! I think that everything works in cycles. The Japanese dominated the knockdown tournaments in the 70's, 80's. In the 90's to present, slowly
the Brazilians, Dutch and Russians have started winning these events
frequently. If Russians are so dominant, then how come none of them
have won the K-1 World Tournament? Ruslan Karaev was good, he won the
K-1 USA one year, but he has been getting knocked out a lot lately.
I witnessed Jean Claude Leuyer take out Andre Dudko in a kickboxing match. Aside from Fedor in MMA, how come not all the Russians are champions in the lighter weight MMA divisions? Arlovski is very good but has been knocked out a few times.
There is no magic pill. Genetics and natural ability help, but there is no subsititute for hard work, rest and recovery. Having a stable of top quality of sparring partners does not hurt either. Once in a while train at other gyms, dojos to spar other people to get a different feel of timing, technique, spar with different body types and learn to make adjustments based on
one's individual strengths and weaknesses. The most high tech piece of equipment one needs is a daily journal/log. Whatever program or method one is on. It is trial and error. Monitor the conditioning session, the martial art skill session. Observe what works and what does not. Make adjustments.
Monitor eating times, type of foods, the amount of rest one has per night etc.
This will determine one's optimum level of performance.
As far as Russian superiority. It is true that from childhood, they have a program which tests each individual's speed, agility, strength and bodytype.
Based on this, this determines what sport(s) are chosen for them in which they are most likely to succeed. In America, most kids do sport for fun and
later on decide whether or not they want to get serious about it or just keep it as a hobby.
Also the physical education standards are much higher in Russia for both the athlete and non-athlete alike. In America, P.E is an option.
Also, Russians have a more structured weightlifting program for athletes and are introduced to this program at an earlier age throughout Russian sport.
In America, everyone has a choice as to what training method they choose or do not choose for their sport.
However, there are no big secrets. Information is to be had via the Internet and the defection of Russian sports scientists from the 80's-present.
Pavel Tsatsouline is one of the promotors of Kettlebell training for sport and sport specific conditioning methods. He also has other literature out on
the Olympic lifts, Power to the People etc.
It is up to the individual to harness this information and utilize it with
his/her regular karate training whatever the method, sprints/running, kettlebell training, free weights etc.
Osu!
FutureProdigy
01-19-2009, 03:23 AM
looks similar to a method used by frank mir on the ultimate fighter... he had his fighters run on the tread mill with a snorkel on.
Martin H
01-19-2009, 05:20 AM
49ers, I agree with most of what you say. however...
[QUOTE=49ers1970;87386 If Russians are so dominant, then how come none of them
have won the K-1 World Tournament?[/QUOTE]
How many russians have you seen enter the k-1 ring? fighting skill may determine who comes out of the ring a winner, but politics, business deals and audience/viewer attraction potential determine who is allowed to enter the ring in the first place.
most pro fight sport promotions are sport second, and commercial entertainment first. Who wins is not really as important as how much money the promoters got from the event.
I think the biggest advantage the russians in kyokushin have is the amount of training time they have over other nations...as far as i know they can train 24-7 if they pleased... most other nations the fighters have jobs or school to worry about.
We did the maths on it once and holding down a job or schooling involves 40 hours a week of work not spend on training (this doesnt include travel time)
Professional fighters (kickboxers, MMA-fighters) go to the dojo when others go to work...
So i think that is also a major factor to the russian kyokushin dominance... if you look at other strong fighters like the iranian`s (they can also train all day like the russians)... The brazilian fighters (Filho & Teixiera) also trained several times a day (i am not 100% sure about this, but from what i have seen and read they trained full time)
Osu!
That's also why the Uchi-Deshi used to dominate. It's not just about volume though, but about being able to focus 100% on the task without thinking about 'normal' life.
There's a danger in building any race or nation up too much though. We see lots of Rugby teams that fold after seeing the Haka. Truth is they're made of the same stuff as the rest of us, and it's the quality of their training that makes them winners, not their country of origin.
Gary
Osu!
That's also why the Uchi-Deshi used to dominate. It's not just about volume though, but about being able to focus 100% on the task without thinking about 'normal' life.
There's a danger in building any race or nation up too much though. We see lots of Rugby teams that fold after seeing the Haka. Truth is they're made of the same stuff as the rest of us, and it's the quality of their training that makes them winners, not their country of origin.
Gary
I didnt mean their country of origin make them superior, i mean what they do in those countries makes them better athletes.
I agree about the focussing part.
There is a lot of research and development in russia into sportsscience (a lot of what we use nowadays comes from them)
Osu
Osu! Ksan
I know what you mean and when well trained they are formidable indeed. What I'm getting at though is we should never take it as read that someone from Russian (or any other country) will automatically be better.
For example: I remember a British fighter once telling me he was shattered to find he had an (unknown) Japanese fighter in an early round of a World Tournament. He had watched several famous ones already and just 'knew' his opponent would be the same ....
Why?
He could have got someone who outweighed him by 30 kilo's, but instead he let himself get psyched out by his opponents race, not his size or skill. Others talk about they changed their tactics as they had to fight a (fill in any race here)
Why?
It's best to stick to what YOU do well and get into a range that YOU can smash people from! Every single opponent has weaknesses and fears, just like the rest of us. Whether that is physical fear, or simply the fear of letting coaches down, it means they're all human. By buying into this idea that some are 'better' or more specifically 'better trained' we can be just making life harder for ourselves.
Maybe I didn't explain properly, but that's all I was trying to say.
Gary
Osu!
Who wins is not really as important as how much money the promoters got from the event.
Agreed, and repped!
It's best to stick to what YOU do well and get into a range that YOU can smash people from! Every single opponent has weaknesses and fears, just like the rest of us. Whether that is physical fear, or simply the fear of letting coaches down, it means they're all human. By buying into this idea that some are 'better' or more specifically 'better trained' we can be just making life harder for ourselves.
And by not respecting each fighter, or their preparation, because they come from a no-name country, a fighter can come apart when they find the opponent is a much tougher prospect than first imagined.
IMO, just take each match as a single bout between two individuals. That shuts out everything else but the moment, and allows focus on what is important, not extraneous.
Osu!
49ers1970
01-20-2009, 09:30 AM
49ers, I agree with most of what you say. however...
How many russians have you seen enter the k-1 ring? fighting skill may determine who comes out of the ring a winner, but politics, business deals and audience/viewer attraction potential determine who is allowed to enter the ring in the first place.
most pro fight sport promotions are sport second, and commercial entertainment first. Who wins is not really as important as how much money the promoters got from the event.
Osu!
Yeah, you made a good point about politics in the K-1 arena. Even the UFC.
The promotors will push certain guys to succeed more than others.
The only way some guys can possibly win is if they knock out the other opponent. I felt Andy Hug was an all time great, but had some controversial decision victories over Mirko Cro Cop in his retirement match. I also thought
Peter Aerts did not utilize his full potential in a decision loss to Andy Hug
whom he knocked out easily in 2 other fights. However, I find it ironic that no Japanese has ever won the K-1 in spite of the politics.
My final take is that anybody regardless of race who is training full time will
become supremely awesome while others have to work 8 hr. jobs and train when they can.
Take care for now,
Osu!
this is really a great way to train i like to mix it up my self for instance i would do pull ups in sets of ten then right after i would sprint all out about 400 meters sounds like track and field right but i found that this enhances in endurance and although i practise kyokushin i also incorporate sanchin kata from goju ryu
BigAl
02-28-2010, 09:47 PM
this is really a great way to train i like to mix it up my self for instance i would do pull ups in sets of ten then right after i would sprint all out about 400 meters sounds like track and field right but i found that this enhances in endurance and although i practise kyokushin i also incorporate sanchin kata from goju ryu
Welcome to K4L, jue. Thanks for posting.
If you could head on over to the Introductions forums and introduce yourself, I'd love to hear more about Kishi Karate and where you train in it. From all I've read about Sensei Kishi he seems like a great teacher and somebody I'd be interested in learning from.
http://www.kyokushin4life.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=122
EDIT: Forgot my pushups! 40/865.
ViKing
02-28-2010, 11:35 PM
I always have trouble breathing during tournaments because I'm not used to breathing through a mouth guard - maybe I will try training while wearing it so I can get used to the different feel.
FredInChina
03-01-2010, 02:05 AM
I always have trouble breathing during tournaments because I'm not used to breathing through a mouth guard - maybe I will try training while wearing it so I can get used to the different feel.
Great, you know what to do... :)
osu!
Godai
03-01-2010, 02:11 AM
I always have trouble breathing during tournaments because I'm not used to breathing through a mouth guard - maybe I will try training while wearing it so I can get used to the different feel.
You should train with your mouth guard in to get used to breathing through your nose but also to practice clenching your teeth. A slack jaw is a good way to get it broken! Conversely you are breathing through your nose so you can clench your teeth down on your mouth guard ...
ViKing
03-01-2010, 11:24 PM
Ahh! But I have a messed up nose so have even more trouble breathing that way. 2 operations later and I still have problems breathing through my nose. I've had to adapt to simply mouth breathing. Hence added problems while competing and using mouth guard. The MG I use has a breathing channel so I can clench my jaw and still breath - Is the best I can do.
Osu!
Ahh! But I have a messed up nose so have even more trouble breathing that way. 2 operations later and I still have problems breathing through my nose. I've had to adapt to simply mouth breathing. Hence added problems while competing and using mouth guard. The MG I use has a breathing channel so I can clench my jaw and still breath - Is the best I can do.
I know what that's like, ViKing. I use the Wipps brain pad. How about you?
Osu!
ViKing
03-03-2010, 09:09 PM
In new Zealand we really only have crappy cheap ones or the Shock Doctor, but I looked up the Wipss brain pad and the breathing channel looks much more effective - may have to order one online :D
moh_it
03-06-2010, 06:20 PM
looks similar to a method used by frank mir on the ultimate fighter... he had his fighters run on the tread mill with a snorkel on.
very wondrfull
Godai
03-06-2010, 06:31 PM
very wondrfull
Meaning what?
looks similar to a method used by frank mir on the ultimate fighter... he had his fighters run on the tread mill with a snorkel on.
This is called Hypoxia training and I think Wanderlei Silva used to do it also.
It is similar to training in high altitudes.
powerof0ne
03-06-2010, 08:11 PM
I'd love to do this hypoxia kind of training but unfortunately don't think it's worth the risk for me...hypertension and sleep apnea runs in my family so making diet, exercise, vitamins and plenty of sleep a priority so I can live as long as Dent, Gary, and the other long beards...I can only be so lucky?
Wiping it off my nose.
Osu-EN1