20 man Kumite advise needed

[Dobbersky]

Guys

Advise required for a 20 man kumite in September time, Especially fitness training

Osu

[Sensei Mark]

Osu Dobbersky, Is your 20 man a part of a grading or a single event as the training requirments would differ slightly?

[Dobbersky]

Sensei Mark,

Thank you for responding, It is a Single event (although I have got a 10 Man coming up before that as part of a Shodan grading).

I have begun Cycling to work, and looking at pounding Burpees out each morning. Running I'm not built for hence the cycling, I also can't swim

Again thank you for your guidance

Osu

[nzproud]

Definitely do some conditioning trainings as well to be able to take hits.

k-1 fighters seem to do a lot of sprints but make it like

2mins sprint -> jog for 30 secs -> 2mins sprint etc depending on how the 20 men kumite will run. Make the routine similar to the sparring. Osu.

[Billy no mates]

Round robin sparing working up to 10,12,15 rounds every training session,out of the dojo up hill sprinting with a training partner waiting at the top with a bag for you to hit so that the sprinting and bag work combined amount to the duration of a round jog down and repeat till youve worked up the amounts reps you can manage .

[Spirit]

Just fight and then fight sum more...
The more you fight the better, your endurance will grow with all the sparring.
Tyr not to rest between matches (during prep training)
This is what I did for 50 & 100

[vapor]

When I was in Tokyo in March, I stopped by my old dojo in Asakusa.

Kidachi Sempai was training for the world tourney.

He had two other black belts assisting him.

Kidachi Sempai would spar for 2 minutes with one of them, the second keeping the time.

As soon as it hit 2 minutes, the "sparrer" and the "time keeper" would swap out, with less than a 10 second break, and the sparring would begin.

I watched them do this for at least 20 minutes, if not longer.

It was quite impressive, to watch how Kidachi Sempai managed his energy and stamina.

Don't know if this would be possible for you to do, as you need some assistance from others, but if there are willing bodies, then it could be something to try after practice...

vapor

[blackshield]

everyone here will be able to give you better advice than me, but if you want a different insight into - maybe just to get into the mentality etc... there is agreat book called 'waking dragons' by goran powell about his 30 man kumite:

you can find it on amazon

[Groucho]

first off, spar, then do some more

do your leg and belly toughening drills...I found the pain tended to build up

finally, if you have access, work the heavy bag for extended rounds: i.e. if the rounds of the 20 man kumite are limited to 3 minutes, work the bag in rounds of 5 minutes (picked that up while training muay thai)

[Dobbersky]

Thanks Guys for the guidance.

I got my heavy bag, just need to put it in a place where I can work it with too much noise lol.

Since my last Response I am now Shodan Ashihara 'UK' Karateka. My Sensei and Friend said last week, "....Now I need to begin to learn how to make the kata my own..."

I'm still Cycling to work so this is good cardiyo.

Also Attending a local Gym for Stamina Training and believe it or not Chen style Tai Chi for relaxation.

As I have my own Club now I've also decided to get my Student adult males to spar with me one after the other for 30 mins upwards

Osu

[Dobbersky]

Thanks Guys for the guidance.

I got my heavy bag, just need to put it in a place where I can work it with too much noise lol.

Since my last Response I am now Shodan Ashihara 'UK' Karateka. My Sensei and Friend said last week, "....Now I need to begin to learn how to make the kata my own..."

I'm still Cycling to work so this is good cardiyo.

Also Attending a local Gym for Stamina Training and believe it or not Chen style Tai Chi for relaxation.

As I have my own Club now I've also decided to get my Student adult males to spar with me one after the other for 30 mins upwards

Osu

[Spirit]

It great that you are sparring with your students{they need the training that you provide them by doing so} though you need to spar with others that are equal or stronger than you in all areas!
Only training with those better than you will you be able to grow to their level.
If you only spar with the kyu ranks it can (in the long run ) hurt your timing and the like.

[kakatootoshi]

Dear Dobbersky,
Congratulations on passing the shodan shinsa!
Oyama Masutatsu Sosai used the self-protrait of Miyamoto Musashi as an analogy of shodan shinsa. He said "shodan shinsa can be compared to painting one's self-protrait". I hope you are now happy with your self-protrait. And I am sure that your students have founded themselves a good teacher and please keep us updated about your new club.

OSU!

[Satori]

I have begun Cycling to work, and looking at pounding Burpees out each morning. Running I'm not built for hence the cycling, I also can't swim
I hate running and swimming, but I can't deny they are among the most beneficial things you can do to get in shape. If you want to get in shape fast, try mixing up both. You said you're not built for running - if you have some sort of an injury or disability that physically prevents you from running then that's a real shame, but if you just strongly dislike it or are unfit, you really need to work on it.

Interval training is best (jog 20m, sprint 20m, jog 20m etc) but very difficult for begninners. If you're not a runner, I suggest some slow-paced jogging of perhaps only 2km's to start off with. As you get more comfortable and start noticing improvement (and you will immediately), you should be running 6km at a medium pace. Depending on how seriously you take your training, you should be doing this between 3 and 6 times a week. 3 for those who feel soreness the next day, 6 for those who consider it a nice warmup. :)

[Bloke]

Dobbersky

You could also attaned some the UKs Kyokusihn or offshoot dojos for sparring. If you explain your needs Im sure they will help you out.

[blackshield]

I think thats excellent advise Bloke - I knew a Kyokushin guy in the UK who recently completed his 50 Man Kumite and he came to our Dojo quite a lot to spar with some of the tougher blackbelts (different styles etc). I am sure he was doing that at a number of good clubs

[Dobbersky]

Sensei, Sempai and Kohai

Just to let you know, I completed my 20 Man kumite, it was suspended until Feb 28th 2008 but I did it. the feelings are awsome. It was such an adrenalin rush, I actually felt tired around the 3rd fight I remember then the next thing was tis is your last fight.

I would do it again and recommend to anyone to take part

Osu

[Bloke]

Well done dobbersky

[kakatootoshi]

Dear Dobbersky,
Congratulations!

OSU!

[vapor]

great to read the follow-up, and that you met the challenge!

vapor

[EddieP]

foot sweep as many times as you can this will throw your opponent off, and increase your resting time.

[tmd]

Very well done - a truly substantial feat.

[jcc]

Yes, well done. I was going to say that if you, like me, aren´t one for too much running, you can do shorter runs, but all up hill! Or in your case, maybe uphill cycling. OSU-EN2

[sonofkanga]

Congratulations on a job well done.
Thank you for sharing.
Now,insights......please

[Hughes_Kyokushin_Oldham]

It great that you are sparring with your students{they need the training that you provide them by doing so} though you need to spar with others that are equal or stronger than you in all areas!
Only training with those better than you will you be able to grow to their level.
If you only spar with the kyu ranks it can (in the long run ) hurt your timing and the like.


Just because a person is a black belt does not make them a good fighter, I know many fighters who are green and brown belt that are better fighters than alot of Black Belts.....
Just my thoughts

[GJEC]

Osu!

Sad but true. In theory black belts should be higher up the food chain (assuming similar age and no injuries) but we often see belt hunters who simply want to learn new stuff and get their next stripe rather than testing to see if it works under pressure ....

It wasn't always like that of course. When I started (just before the pyramids I think) you could have taken everyone's belt off in ANY dojo and still known who the high grades were by their skill and general hardiness. It really is up to every black belt to maintain their standards for as long as they can, and keep a few tricks up their sleeve in case the youngsters get a bit cute.

In Enshin everyone fights for their tests which certainly keeps things honest, and I know most Kyokushin groups and derivatives take this seriously as well. A recent conversation with a local McDojo instructor who proudly stated he'd never had to fight for his promotion tests left me feeling he'd really missed out on something special. Not just the bruises, but that pressure to get yourself up-for-it so you don't look a chump. That's what makes you grow.

Gary

[Dent]

Osu!

Not fighting as part of a grading would make me suspect the grade. Now, it might be a grade given directly by the teacher (As often happens in Jiu-Jitsu), or the member may be a well known competitor, and thus excused that portion of the grading.

IMO, there is a satisfaction from the Kumite that simply isn't present in any other aspect of the grading. Yes, it is a little tiring, but overall, it's probably the easiest bit of the whole procedure. :)

Osu!