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View Full Version : Leg grabing (locking) erni64 08-18-2008, 12:30 AM Hello, I want to know if there is a rule or if it's accepted in sparring kumite, to grab or lock shortly the opponent leg for example in a mae geri chudan. thanks, OSU! powerof0ne 08-18-2008, 03:24 AM not legal under knockdown kumite rules in any that I know of...legal in Kudo, I think. Legal in full muay thai rules, lethwei, san shou, bando, and MMA, though. Nix 08-18-2008, 09:37 AM Also legal in Ashihara and Enshin, I believe. powerof0ne 08-18-2008, 09:58 AM you sure about Enshin? I competed in a Sabaki tourny once(in 99') and it definitely wasn't legal than hold your opponents kicks and counter...maybe it was legal to grab/hold and than drop without any counter but I remember a Hapkido/TKD guy that was warned and I think had a point taken off for grabbing a kick and than sweeping his opponent. Nix 08-18-2008, 10:08 AM No, I am uncertain. I can't find any mention of it in the WCK rules we use in Ashihara, but in any circumstances it comes down to how controlled the technique is. GJEC 08-18-2008, 10:38 AM Osu! In Enshin you can grab the opponents gi pants to perform a throw or takedown, but not encircle the leg. As with all grabs, for no longer than three seconds. Gary erni64 08-18-2008, 03:16 PM May be I was not so clear in my post. I'm talking about very short grabs, as a way to block the kick or like pushing the leg in the way it follows in order to do a counter attack or to affect the opponent balance. OSU! smoothsake 08-18-2008, 05:14 PM If you mean to parry the leg, not "hold," then counterattack either the standing or kicking leg - this is legal in IKO1 knockdown rules. Osu! Deaken 08-18-2008, 05:47 PM Yes, in IKO1 you can redirect the leg but you can't hold it, grab it or encircle it at all even for a brief second. vapor 08-18-2008, 07:07 PM It is also important to remember that there is a bit of risk to your fingers and joints if go to reach a bit too soon... Hate to get a severly jammed thumb in the attempt to field a kick! Would rather just not be in the direct path!! vapor powerof0ne 01-09-2009, 02:19 AM This is old but I must stress if you "catch" a roundhouse and lock it also remember to push with your other hand on your opponent's shoulder so you don't leave any "space" for them to counter. If anybody ever catches my kick and doesn't do this..I will automatically lean/fall forward and punch them in the face. Than again, that's thaiboxing sparring..and catching kicks is very common in Muay Thai. saracenkyokushin 01-09-2009, 03:23 AM I have seen and been taught to use a kind of gedan shotei block, to kind of slap/grab the kick leg for a sec to push it away and get your opponent of balance to attack. I have used a lot, but i have never fought in a tournament so i can't say, but i am sure i have seen it done. powerof0ne 01-09-2009, 03:46 AM I have seen and been taught to use a kind of gedan shotei block, to kind of slap/grab the kick leg for a sec to push it away and get your opponent of balance to attack. I have used a lot, but i have never fought in a tournament so i can't say, but i am sure i have seen it done. I've done it in muay thai competition..but the way I described which allowed me to hold it while I kicked my opponent's supporting leg from underneath them. For knockdown kumite I try not to get in the habbit of doing such a thing especially the times I did enter a knockdown tournament. It's actually pretty easy to practice..with MT roundhouses for instance..slide away somewhat so you don't take all the force...catch by scooping your wrist/forearm underneath(like a scoop) ankle/lower leg..put your other arm against their shoulder....*key* to prevent a counter..make sure your pinky is up so your fingers are horizontal and not vertical..if they're verticle your locked out arm can be "collapsed" to take away your "lock" on your opponent(plok, kind of). harukaze 01-09-2009, 03:55 AM I've done it in muay thai competition..but the way I described which allowed me to hold it while I kicked my opponent's supporting leg from underneath them. For knockdown kumite I try not to get in the habbit of doing such a thing especially the times I did enter a knockdown tournament. It's actually pretty easy to practice..with MT roundhouses for instance..slide away somewhat so you don't take all the force...catch by scooping your wrist/forearm underneath(like a scoop) ankle/lower leg..put your other arm against their shoulder....*key* to prevent a counter..make sure your pinky is up so your fingers are horizontal and not vertical..if they're verticle your locked out arm can be "collapsed" to take away your "lock" on your opponent(plok, kind of). Right on the money there! I'd also like to add, with a leg catch, besides the shoulder trick you mentioned to avoid a counter, a straight punch with your free arm to your opponent's face (at least in Muay Thai rules :D ) or even a one-handed clinch with knees is also a great way to capitalize on a caught kick. Dent 01-09-2009, 06:40 AM Osu! And the pivot to rip-down opens kicking the downed opponent. Not always friendly, but effective. :) Osu! chen3141 01-16-2009, 12:58 AM Hmm, what about ouchi gari? Or Ashi barai? Basically any reaping techniques, are those legal? harukaze 01-16-2009, 09:13 PM Hmm, what about ouchi gari? Or Ashi barai? Basically any reaping techniques, are those legal? Under IKO rules, I'm not 100% sure, but for open rules, yes, those are good techniques to use after catching an opponent's leg! Dent 01-19-2009, 10:58 PM Osu! Hmm, what about ouchi gari? Or Ashi barai? Basically any reaping techniques, are those legal? Grabbing isn't allowed in most Kyokushin tourneys, so an Ashi Barai is fine, Ouchi Gari not. Osu! kakatootoshi 01-19-2009, 11:59 PM Osu! Grabbing isn't allowed in most Kyokushin tourneys, so an Ashi Barai is fine, Ouchi Gari not. Osu! There are many cases of Ashi Bari in Kyokushin but when I first read the question, I was thinking was it possible to pull off Ouchi Gari without grabbing (could he just mean hooking the leg as in Ouchi Gari)? OSU! Dent 01-20-2009, 01:35 AM Osu! There are many cases of Ashi Bari in Kyokushin but when I first read the question, I was thinking was it possible to pull off Ouchi Gari without grabbing (could he just mean hooking the leg as in Ouchi Gari)? OSU! I asked myself the same question, KakatoOtoshi. I just doubt it can be done effectively, and as far as tournament goes, it has very little purpose. Goes hard against the 80/ 20 rule. Osu! chen3141 01-22-2009, 02:26 AM Osu! I asked myself the same question, KakatoOtoshi. I just doubt it can be done effectively, and as far as tournament goes, it has very little purpose. Goes hard against the 80/ 20 rule. Osu! What if you didn't grab, and instead bear hugged them? Would that fall under the same category or would it be considered something else? powerof0ne 01-22-2009, 02:47 AM What if you didn't grab, and instead bear hugged them? Would that fall under the same category or would it be considered something else? I'm kinda confused...you're not allowed to bear hug in Kyokushin tournys neither..none that I have ever seen. Not allowed to bear hug in Enshin tournaments neither. Chen, I mean no disrespect but do you train in knockdown kumite or compete? chen3141 01-23-2009, 05:52 AM I'm kinda confused...you're not allowed to bear hug in Kyokushin tournys neither..none that I have ever seen. Not allowed to bear hug in Enshin tournaments neither. Chen, I mean no disrespect but do you train in knockdown kumite or compete? I have friends who have trained, but I know them through different styles of Martial Arts. I train with them, but not out of a dojo. I've done point sparring Shotokan (but don't like the changes compared to the old JKA era), Judo, and wrestled for a little while. Never competed, but am looking for a kyokushinkai dojo. Until then I'm just training with friends who have that background. [edit] I take no offense to you asking, my ignorance lies in my inexperience outside of the little backyard (and basement) where we train. Dillon 01-30-2009, 02:57 PM I've recently used a hands-free ouchigari. My opponent threw a gedan mawashi with his right leg, which I checked with sune uke, then as he was stepping down and back, I stepped into him with ouchi gari with my right leg, targeting his left. I was trying to use the pull back of my right leg to counterbalance a right punch, and the reap worked well, which was funny to me, since I suck at ouchi in judo. Edit:...maybe I should just punch the guys at judo instead of grabbing with ouchi...;) Dent 02-01-2009, 01:06 PM Osu! Edit:...maybe I should just punch the guys at judo instead of grabbing with ouchi...;) Don't forget to tell us how it works out! :D Osu! |