Artur Hovhannisian 100 nin Kumite

[satodojo]

http://gbring.com/sokuho/news/2009_03/0329_kyokushinkaikan.htm

Mr. Hovhannisian has successfully completed 100 men kumite yesterday.

[KvW]

Great news. Congratulations to him.

[SiPi]

Congratulations! It is great! Osu!

[sandman]

Osu! That's an awesome accomplishment!

[MilkManX]

Osu-EN1

Good news! I had a feeling he would.

Osu-EN1

[kakatootoshi]

Thanks for the report Sato-san.

百人組手、完遂！ He will be remembered in the history of Kyokushin.

Last three fights:
98th Glaube Feitosa
99th Tanaka Kentaro
100th Francisco Filho

[marekmr]

Not too many did befor him. Congratulations too him, osu!

Osu!

[smoothsake]

Artur - officially a living legend. OSU!

[Nix]

Incredible! A big osu!

[kyokushin4life]

Osu! Thanks for this news! Didn't Glaube fight in K-1 on this day??

[Dent]

Osu!

A remarkable result, and fully deserving of all congratulations!

Osu!

[satodojo]

Osu! Thanks for this news! Didn't Glaube fight in K-1 on this day??

Goaube senshu's fight was on Saturday, a day before this special event. Also, his fight was less than four minutes against Mr. Sawayashiki.

[kakatootoshi]

A photo gallery for this Hyakunin Kumite
http://www.europeankyokushin.org/gallery/2009/100mankumite/

Many great photos also found in the link given by Sato-san.

The official record is 49勝12敗39分 (W49 L12 D39)
Ippon Gachi 2
Hantei Gachi 47

OSU!

[joeurgod]

congrats artur sensei

[niceguy]

Well done sensei Artur! from the pictures it looks like he was given one hell of a tough time.Glad he made it through! Thanks for the heads up Sato-san.

[Bloke]

Thats great - congratulations to him

[meguro]

What a terrific accomplishment! The pics were great too. Lots of familiar faces.

[kakatootoshi]

With his Ippon strand at the World Tournament I was expecting more Ippon Gachi in this Hyakunin Kumite (Filho had 26 and Kazumi had 16), but anyway passing the challenge was amazing enough.

OSU!

[vapor]

Great news...! OSU!

Edit----I was looking through the crowd and opponent shots, to see if I recognized former dojo mates....and low and behold, my Shihan reffed the bout! (Kamio Shihan)

Fukui sempai is also sitting in the front row of one of the shots!

vapor

[sandman]

Big OSU!!!

[pnul]

Arthur answers questions at forum http://www.superkarate.ru/forum/topic8688.html

[kakatootoshi]

A more detailed breakdown of his 49 wins are 2 Awase Ippon Gachi and 21 Wazaari Yusei Gachi.

OSU!

[nzproud]

Omedeto Arthur sensei!

[DrNo]

By the way, is it "Artur Hovhannisian" or "Artur Oganasian"?

[Tettsui]

A photo gallery for this Hyakunin Kumite
http://www.europeankyokushin.org/gallery/2009/100mankumite/

Many great photos also found in the link given by Sato-san.

The official record is 49勝12敗39分 (W49 L12 D39)
Ippon Gachi 2
Hantei Gachi 47

OSU!

Wow, that means he went the full distance w/ 98 out of 100 opponents. Talk about a test of stamina. OSU!

Does anyone know what Kancho Matsui or Shihan Filho's hyakunin kumite records are?

[marekmr]

Wow, that means he went the full distance w/ 98 out of 100 opponents. Talk about a test of stamina. OSU!

Does anyone know what Kancho Matsui or Shihan Filho's hyakunin kumite records are?

Filho, who is the 7th World Champion, fought on March 22, 1995 and took 3 hours and 8 minutes to complete his 100 man fights. He won 26 fights by Ippon, won 50 by decision, drew 24 and did not lose any fights.
This is link to his figts about 52min

Osu!

Video removed. Please understand that posting copyrighted material is not allowed on K4L. ~ Nix
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[kakatootoshi]

Matsui Kancho
1986/05/18
Place: a movie studio (Toei)
Ippon Gachi:46
Yusei Gachi:29
Hikiwake:13
Make:12
Kumite time:2 hours 24 minutes
Total time:4 hours

[IFKQ80]

http://www.europeankyokushin.org/gallery/2009/100mankumite/54.html

it says: the 8th person?

Can someone please explain this to me? because the total number up to shihan Hajime Kazum is 14?

Steve Arneil (1965)
Tadashi Nakamura (1965)
Soshu Shigeru Oyama (1966)
Loek Hollander (1967)
John Jarvis (1967)
Howard Collins
Miyuki Miura (Friday the 13th, April 1972)
Kancho Shokei Matsui Akiyoshi Matsui (1986)
Ademir de Costa (1987)
Keiji Sanpei (March, 1990)
Akira Masuda (March, 1991)
Kenji Yamaki (March, 1995)
Francisco Filho (Feb and March,1995)
Sensei Hajime Kazumi (Sat, 13th March,1999)

http://www.masutatsuoyama.com/100mankumite.htm

I'm sorry in advance if this was a political question ... please do the necessary if it was.

Thank you .. osu !!

[kakatootoshi]

http://www.europeankyokushin.org/gallery/2009/100mankumite/54.html

it says: the 8th person?

Can someone please explain this to me? because the total number up to shihan Hajime Kazum is 14?

Steve Arneil (1965)
Tadashi Nakamura (1965)
Soshu Shigeru Oyama (1966)
Loek Hollander (1967)
John Jarvis (1967)
Howard Collins
Miyuki Miura (Friday the 13th, April 1972)
Kancho Shokei Matsui Akiyoshi Matsui (1986)
Ademir de Costa (1987)
Keiji Sanpei (March, 1990)
Akira Masuda (March, 1991)
Kenji Yamaki (March, 1995)
Francisco Filho (Feb and March,1995)
Sensei Hajime Kazumi (Sat, 13th March,1999)

http://www.masutatsuoyama.com/100mankumite.htm

I'm sorry in advance if this was a political question ... please do the necessary if it was.

Thank you .. osu !!

Regarding those eight, only those done under the direct supervision of Sohonbu (and finished in one day) were counted.

[Martin H]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EAH9Q1jA67A

[sandman]

Osu! Thanks for posting that video Martin H

[Martin H]

thank the youtube uploader instead.

[kakatootoshi]

thank the youtube uploader instead.

I believe that is the official Matsuiha/Media 8 Channel.

[Kansetsu]

Question:

When they do the 100 Man, do they go all out like in the tournaments or do they do medium power like in class room kumite?

[meguro]

Does anyone know what energy/fluid replacement plan Artur was following? He looked completely dehydrated and enervated-who wouldn't-after #60.

[Kansetsu]

Does anyone know what energy/fluid replacement plan Artur was following? He looked completely dehydrated and enervated-who wouldn't-after #60.

For me, if i was doing that, i would eat Nuts for lasting energy, Dried Fruits for sugar, and Pedialite for fluids...

[kakatootoshi]

Question:

When they do the 100 Man, do they go all out like in the tournaments or do they do medium power like in class room kumite?

If everyone go all full power in a Hyakunin Kumite, I do not think any human being can pass.

[kakatootoshi]

Does anyone know what energy/fluid replacement plan Artur was following? He looked completely dehydrated and enervated-who wouldn't-after #60.

You can ask him directly. One member has posted a link to a forum (Russian?) where he answers questions.

[sandman]

For me, if i was doing that, i would eat Nuts for lasting energy, Dried Fruits for sugar, and Pedialite for fluids...

If it were me, I'd drink a lot of water, and then probably pass out after fight #15... ;)

[Tettsui]

Since when did they start wearing shin guards?

[kakatootoshi]

Since when did they start wearing shin guards?

Wearing supporters in Hyakunin Kumite is nothing new in Kyokushin.

[ronin]

osu.. lots of 100 man kumite related questions coming up here... if anyone knows, of the 17 or 18 legends who have done 100 man kumite, how many of them have actually fought 100 different fighters...??? i mean not all have fought 100 different fighters, atleast sensei aurtur has not... so have all of them fought 100 rounds of kumite with fighters being repeated at regular intervals OR have some of them fought 100 different fighters... BTW..the question was good dat what are records of other legends who have completed 100 man kumite...??? in this thread, we have full fight records of sensei artur.h, shihan filho & kancho matsui... but what about the statistics of others..??? has anyone got them...??? if yes, plz do post them...it would make a great collection of good kyokushin information...
1 more thing.. as fas as my knowledge goes (which, ofcourse, is very limited), in 100 man kumite, there are (or atleast, there were) certain rules set by sosai that "you have to win atleast 50 percent of the fights & if you lose a fight, be it the 100th fight, your 100 man kumite attempt is recorded as a failure..." but in aurtur sensei's case he has lost some of his fights in this test & as far as i have known, shihan kenji yamaki had lost 5 fights in his 100 man kumite test... is that fine now...??? any insights..??? :confused::confused::confused: osu...

[whatever123]

Wearing supporters in Hyakunin Kumite is nothing new in Kyokushin.

really i never knew that i just noticed it in this vid

i found kancho matsui 100 man kumite but no protectors were worn

i loked again and found that they were worn during sensei filho 100 man kumite

[DrNo]

Filho would very easily be able to knock out any fighter that have done 99 fights, so its not 100% all the time, it depends on which #fight and what opponent. The test is more about spirit, if the fighter gets too defensive and do not really want to engage in the fights after a while, his opponent would probably be "ordered" to finish it. As long as the he keeps on fighting and to a certain quality level he will be allowed to continue.

[ronin]

osu.. so does that mean even if you lose a fight, you are allowed to continue...??? so does that mean all the fighters who have attempted 100 man kumite have had a little consideration from their opponents & jury, here or there...??? i thought, to let the main fighter have a light time, they allow color belts to fight in the 100 man kumite in rounds here & there... anyways, thats some valuable information...

BTW.. as mentioned before... only 8 people have completed 100man kumite under sohombu authority...??? then how many people have actually attempted & completed 100 man kumite...??? i mean, even non-kyokushin fighters have or must have attempted this test... does any one know any of them...??? shihan peter angrer (dont know the spelling)...is from shidokan & he completed 50 man kumite... does anyone else has any info in this regard....???

one more thing, lets say I want to attempt 100 man kumite... (not now, may be 10 years later)... can this happen..??? or do i have to be selected by the honbu authorities (in my case, Enshin kai honbu) to try it...??? my question is, "can any person training harder enough & willing enough attempt 100 man kumite...???" (ofcourse after getting the permission from the honbu, or is that required???) is it a matter of personal preference or is it a honor given by the honbu to attempt 100 man kumite...??? :confused:
rgdz...osu...

[DrNo]

If you loose a fight you can continue, if you get knocked out its over... but if you loose too many you will not be able to continue. But again, the test is not about winning, its about SPIRIT.

You can always ask your Sensei in the dojo to arrange a 100 man kumite for you or do it yourself by asking your friends to come over to your backyard and fight you 100 times. But if you want the 100man kumite to be registered it has to be done in the Honbu. Budo is very much about respect. You need permission and invitation to be able to go and train in a Japanese dojo (even as a blackbelt). So the 100 man kumite is not somethig that anybody can request.

[Tettsui]

really i never knew that i just noticed it in this vid

i found kancho matsui 100 man kumite but no protectors were worn

i loked again and found that they were worn during sensei filho 100 man kumite


Yeah, I never noticed in the Filho 100 man video either.

[DrNo]

Its not very often the 100 man kumite takes place so maybe no exact rules have been specified. I do not think that with shin protection or not would make that big difference, but I guess the test would be rather ridiculous if they let a bunch of orange belts get up on the matt.

[Kansetsu]

Its not very often the 100 man kumite takes place so maybe no exact rules have been specified. I do not think that with shin protection or not would make that big difference, but I guess the test would be rather ridiculous if they let a bunch of orange belts get up on the matt.

I don't see why a 100 man orange belt kumite would be any different than 100 man black belt kumite.

1 black belt vs 100 black belts = 1 orange belt vs 100 orange belts in my opinion. It is still a test of spirit and giving it all you got.

OSU!

[kakatootoshi]

I don't see why a 100 man orange belt kumite would be any different than 100 man black belt kumite.

1 black belt vs 100 black belts = 1 orange belt vs 100 orange belts in my opinion. It is still a test of spirit and giving it all you got.

OSU!

If an orange belt can Kumite 100 guys, I suppose he or she should be given a black belt for this achievement.:D

I agree that people of different levels should be "tested" for their spirit according, perhaps the catch is a "Hyakunin Kumite" is dangerous for an orange belt, or a "Hyakunin Kumite" is not easy to arrange, if even orange belt can do it then Kyokushin people will be too busy!

By the way I think Dr. No was talking about "1 black belt vs a mix of Dan and Kyu". And as I know in some of the early Hyakunin Kumite indeed there were opponents of different kyu, gender and a couple of other things.

OSU!

[DrNo]

If an orange belt can Kumite 100 guys, I suppose he or she should be given a black belt for this achievement.:D

I agree that people of different levels should be "tested" for their spirit according, perhaps the catch is a "Hyakunin Kumite" is dangerous for an orange belt, or a "Hyakunin Kumite" is not easy to arrange, if even orange belt can do it then Kyokushin people will be too busy!

By the way I think Dr. No was talking about "1 black belt vs a mix of Dan and Kyu". And as I know in some of the early Hyakunin Kumite indeed there were opponents of different kyu, gender and a couple of other things.

OSU!

1 orange belt vs 100 other orange belts....point taken, that would probably be a very funny event to watch! ;-)

I was of course talking about 1 black belt and that test would be a joke if his opponents could not fight properly.

IMO its not necessary just to have other blackbelts in the test. Some green and brown belts are in fact better fighters than many blackbelts I have met. Not all fighters are that interested in Kata to be able to go for the Dan grades.

[Dean]

If this gets taken off for political reasons then so be it but if i am reading this right then its a joke. Are you telling me that great kyokushin people like Steve Arniel Howard Collins and Shigeru Oyama who took there 100 Man kumite in the original Honbu in front of Mas Oyama are not recognised by the Matsui group as having achieved it. For younger people i can also tell u that when Steve Arniel took his 100man kumite Shotei to the face was allowed as a technique.

[kakatootoshi]

If this gets taken off for political reasons then so be it but if i am reading this right then its a joke. Are you telling me that great kyokushin people like Steve Arniel Howard Collins and Shigeru Oyama who took there 100 Man kumite in the original Honbu in front of Mas Oyama are not recognised by the Matsui group as having achieved it. For younger people i can also tell u that when Steve Arniel took his 100man kumite Shotei to the face was allowed as a technique.

Well I hope people with more knowledge can give a definitely answer on this, but I do not think it is correct to say "Matsui Group". The reason is, some of these "counting/not-counting" were done at Sosai's times, definitely not all of a sudden cut down to a small number after Sosai died. Many of the Hyakunin Kumite, now floating around the internet, were considered invalid even when Sosai was alive. Some of the earliest Hyakunin Kumite were later not counted because they were not finished in one day as I know.

[DrNo]

Who is actually counting this? A few non-official webpages like kyokushin4life??? I guess that Sosai did the counting before the split but it is only possible now for each organisation keep track on their own activities. So what happens in one organisation is completely of non-interest to the other organisations if no cooperation is taking place.

[kakatootoshi]

The official list of eight (Matsuiha) is here for reference purposes:

Howard Collins
Miura Miyuki
Matsui Akiyoshi/Shokei
Masuda Akira
Yamaki Kenji
Francisco Filho
Kazumi Hajime
Artur Hovhannisian

[MilkManX]

one more thing, lets say I want to attempt 100 man kumite... (not now, may be 10 years later)... can this happen..??? or do i have to be selected by the honbu authorities (in my case, Enshin kai honbu) to try it...??? my question is, "can any person training harder enough & willing enough attempt 100 man kumite...???" (ofcourse after getting the permission from the honbu, or is that required???) is it a matter of personal preference or is it a honor given by the honbu to attempt 100 man kumite...??? :confused:
rgdz...osu...

Osu-EN1

As far as I know Enshin Kai does not have this at all.

Even though Enshin comes from Ashihara which came from Kyokushin it is not affiliated in any sort of way with any of the IKO Kyokushin organizations.

Now I have no Idea if any of the various Kyokushin organizations would let you attempt it with them.

Osu-EN1

[sandman]

I wonder if anyone who attempts the 100 man kumite even cares if someone from another group officially "recognizes" the achievement. That seems to me to be the less important part of the whole event.

[ronin]

osu.. thank you broz.... dats hell lotta information & help...
thank you mr.milkmanX for clarifying the Enshin prospective of 100 man kumite.. but what i was asking is, if after many years of intense training, if i feel confident of myself & go to denver & ask kancho to let me attempt 100 man kumite..??? will i be given permission...??? dont know what kancho will say, but it would be very helpful if my fellow Enshin-kai brothers & senseis from other styles in K4L would give their opinions.... :confused:
i really want to try this out in the near future... & i am working on it right now... :D
& yeah its right when said that i can try it out at my dojo after getting permission from my sensei... in fact i had to do 25 man kumite for my taekwondo black belt exam, but ofcourse, with no time limitations.. like some of my fights were as short as 40 to 50 seconds.. while some were over 3 minutes long.. especially the last few fights.... as far as the results were concerned, all of my fights were draws.... no ippon wins.. & no losses... so i got "class B" black belt... thats while keeping in mind that i was attempting the exam after suffering & recovering from severe jaundice for 9 months... & just 2 months of training for the black belt exam... :D
& to make things more informative... in 2007, a boy from my dojo, for his shodan exam, did 50 rounds of full-contact kumite 30 seconds each round & completed it fairly well... BTW... the boy was 12 years old... & fought kids of his age & a few boys elder to him... so those things do happen... but as you all have said... to have the world know about you feat, you have to go to the hombu dojo..???? lets see.. when that happens.... rgdz.. osu...

[DrNo]

I do not knbow anything about the procedures in the Enshin organisation. However, just by looking at the "official" list from Matsuiha its easy to realize that the 100man kumite is reserved for a few very special fighters in the world. Most of them are world champions so I think you definitely should make the top-8 in the next world tournament before even thinking about taking the test.

[kakatootoshi]

to make things more informative... in 2007, a boy from my dojo, for his shodan exam, did 50 rounds of full-contact kumite 30 seconds each round & completed it fairly well... BTW... the boy was 12 years old... & fought kids of his age & a few boys elder to him... so those things do happen...

I think it is okay for a 12-year kid to hold a Shodan but that "Gojunin Kumite" done by a kid I just am not going to take it serious, or conisder it anything distantly related to the Gojunin or Hyakunin Kumite of adults. The kid should be given credits for his own efforts but just do not bring it to the same level as Gojunin Kumite done by adults.

[smoothsake]

I think it is okay for a 12-year kid to hold a Shodan but that "Gojunin Kumite" done by a kid I just am not going to take it serious, or conisder it anything distantly related to the Gojunin or Hyakunin Kumite of adults. The kid should be given credits for his own efforts but just do not bring it to the same level as Gojunin Kumite done by adults.

DEFINITELY not the same thing! :eek:

[LCSulla]

Osu.

[powerof0ne]

If I had to choose between doing a hundred man kumite between black belts and orange belts, I would choose black belts.
I could just picture the missing teeth, broken nose, etc. I would endure by a orange belt to 30 or so that would punch or elbow me with no control.

[kakatootoshi]

If I had to choose between doing a hundred man kumite between black belts and orange belts, I would choose black belts.
I could just picture the missing teeth, broken nose, etc. I would endure by a orange belt to 30 or so that would punch or elbow me with no control.

If someone Hyakunin Kumite with a hundred black belts (or mostly) and dies, people remember him. If someone Hyakunin Kumite with a hundred orange belts and dies, that person dies for nothing. And even if he passes, no one is to take it seriously, and sure he will become a laughing stock in the years to come.

[sephiroth_de]

http://rutube.ru/tracks/1790804.html?v=b98f235397cf77f7ab39fcd79fd75e03

here you go
a short video
enjoy
osu!

[ronin]

osu... so true about the kids kumite test... but for his age, it was a big achievement... no doubt it is of no match compared to adults' hyakunin, gojunin or even junin kumite...
so from the discussions above, it seems clear that if i have to attempt hyakunin kumite, or get selected to attempt hyakunin kumite, i have to be in the top 8 rankings of the world tournament of my org??? ha great... as i have asked before, does anyone here know of fighters fro other orgs & styles other than iko-1 who have attampted & completed hyakunin or gojunin kumite...???

[kakatootoshi]

so from the discussions above, it seems clear that if i have to attempt hyakunin kumite, or get selected to attempt hyakunin kumite, i have to be in the top 8 rankings of the world tournament of my org??? ha great...

This is only a wild guess. There has been no known cases of Hyakunin Kumite in Enshinkaikan.

And are you known all across your organization in your country and abroad? The above people were, even before they attempted the Hyakunin Kumite.

[ronin]

osu... no i am not known across my organization across the world... i am known throughout my country in my org as assistant instructor (now ex) for the all India hombu dojo... & my sensei's (all India chief-Enshinkai) senior most student... but now i am out of my dojo actions for some time... so lesser famous... but some day, all will know who i am... hehehehhhooohhahahahaha.... sory for the bad laugh... osu...

[DrNo]

Is there any records of failed 100 man kumite tests?

My Shihan (who trained under Sosai as an uchi dechi in the early days) explained that during the 70s several top fighters tried, but the ones that did not have the support (and respect) from the Japanese was intentionally knocked out. These fighters were as good as the ones that completed the test and should have passed. I am not sure if I remember correctly but I think Willie Williams was one that was "not allowed" to pass the test.

[kakatootoshi]

Is there any records of failed 100 man kumite tests?

My Shihan (who trained under Sosai as an uchi dechi in the early days) explained that during the 70s several top fighters tried, but the ones that did not have the support (and respect) from the Japanese was intentionally knocked out. These fighters were as good as the ones that completed the test and should have passed. I am not sure if I remember correctly but I think Willie Williams was one that was "not allowed" to pass the test.

People who failed in Hyakunin Kumite:
Nakamura Makoto
Miyoshi Kazuo
Oyama Yasuhiko
Ogasawara Kazuhiko

[Dent]

Osu!

Failure at the 100-man is not shameful. Choosing to attempt such a challenge is remarkable in itself.

I do believe that the attitude of the candidate in the years prior to the test will influence how those who face them might fight.

Osu!

[DrNo]

Definitely a good point! Everybody cannot win all the time. Everytime you stand on the matt a face an opponent and do your best you deserves nothing else but respect!!!!

[kakatootoshi]

Hyakunin Kumite featured in "Number" (issue 727) magazine on sale on 4/16.

http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/9278/arunumberthumb200x26217.jpg

[vapor]

wonder if Number will still be on the shelves next week when I am in Tokyo...

Anyone want me to pick up a copy of this???

vapor

[kakatootoshi]

Ogasawara attempted Hyakunin Kumite two weeks after fighting in All-Japan, and Miyoshi was fighting in the hot summer under strong movie lighting (same day as Nakamura). Days after that he was sent to New York for training.

[harukaze]

Is there any records of failed 100 man kumite tests?

My Shihan (who trained under Sosai as an uchi dechi in the early days) explained that during the 70s several top fighters tried, but the ones that did not have the support (and respect) from the Japanese was intentionally knocked out. These fighters were as good as the ones that completed the test and should have passed. I am not sure if I remember correctly but I think Willie Williams was one that was "not allowed" to pass the test.

5/09 issue of World Karate magazine was a 100 Nin Kumite special issue that had a section on failed attempts as well.

[GJEC]

Osu! Ronin

I seriously doubt anyone would complete 100 kumite at the Enshin Honbu.

First: The fighting style is more tiring, as the grabbing and throwing takes more energy out of you just trying to stay upright.

Second: Denver (Enshin Honbu location) is a mile high. That alone changes the dynamics as the air is noticably thinner.

Third: Put the two above together and remember that Dan promotion tests are 10 fights and even very good people find that tough going. 100? Forget it!

Gary

[kakatootoshi]

If I may, I suggest him to convert to Kyokushin, become top 8 in World Tournament and see what happens if he is desperate to try Hyakunin Kumite.

[GJEC]

Osu! Kakatootoshi

I'd suggest the same! ;)

These things look awesome and it's great to dream high, but realistically I've met few with the unique combination of talent, determination, fitness and (as mentioned already) respect from the opponents that could allow you to get through it.

Gary

[ronin]

osu.. thank you sensei gary & kakatootoshi sensei for your advice advice... BTW... not sure as yet, but i am having talks with a friend of mine who is all India chief for IKO-4 (Tezuka Group) about joining his org (without leaving Enshinkai, ofcourse)... so lets see where that goes...
about doing hyakunin kumite under Enshin rules, well, that i will do for sure, let the results be anything... but someday, if kancho allows, i will do it... as sensei gary said, hyakunin kumite under Enshin rules is something beyond imagining, but still i will try it out some day... i dont know if they will allow me to try it out in IKO-4...???
but one thing is for sure, it may take some time, but i WILL attempt & complete Hyakunin kumite under Enshin rules... be it recognised by my hombu dojo or not... osu...

[kakatootoshi]

not sure as yet, but i am having talks with a friend of mine who is all India chief for IKO-4 (Tezuka Group) about joining his org (without leaving Enshinkai, ofcourse)....

hyakunin kumite under Enshin rules is something beyond imagining, but still i will try it out some day... i dont know if they will allow me to try it out in IKO-4...???

No comments for these:eek:

[GJEC]

Osu! Ronin

One step at a time my friend.

I'd suggest the standard 10 kumite at a Dan grade test overseen by Kancho in Honbu first.

See how that goes. You may be suprised!

Gary

[bobh]

I know it's been said... but I just have to say it too. Amazing accomplishment!

[Humanmakiwara]

Osu!

Takes a great spirit too attempt such a marathon.

[ronin]

osu.. thankz guys for all such inspiring thoughts & encouragement... i really appreciate it... BTW... any one willling to help me out??? i mean lets see, i am preparing for the Hyakunin Kumite, what all should i do in its preparation??? i mean, does it have a fixed format of preperation..??some things are downright understood clearly like if i am trying out Hyakunin Kumite, i have to do a hell lotta conditioning, but other that that what all do i need to do & work on if i have to prepare for this test??? i mean, its great to have advice for some of the most knowledgable people in this site... so any insights anyone???

[GJEC]

Osu!

You are proposing climbing Everest.

Climb some small mountains first.

Try 10, 20, 30...

Maybe do a test every six months trying to add ten each time - your weaknesses (and therefore what you need to work on) will soon become apparent.

Gary

[kakatootoshi]

osu.. thankz guys for all such inspiring thoughts & encouragement... i really appreciate it... BTW... any one willling to help me out??? i mean lets see, i am preparing for the Hyakunin Kumite, what all should i do in its preparation??? i mean, does it have a fixed format of preperation..??some things are downright understood clearly like if i am trying out Hyakunin Kumite, i have to do a hell lotta conditioning, but other that that what all do i need to do & work on if i have to prepare for this test??? i mean, its great to have advice for some of the most knowledgable people in this site... so any insights anyone???

Did not you say last time you did not have people to condition/spar with and you had to hit the floor or something? And do you think you can call up a hundred people to fight you? And how many times have you won the Sabaki Challenge in Denver, USA?

[GJEC]

"If you can dream - and not make dreams your master"

It's great to have ambition, and to dream big - but you need to be realistic or it just comes over all wrong.

Gary

[Dent]

Osu!

You sure have chosen Karate-Everest to climb. And just like any major expedition, you're going to have to do a lot of planning; need a full team in support; a proper guide to get you where you're going; and unwavering dedication to your goal for the next 3-5 years.

This isn't a weekend activity, or even a three-times-a-week at the Dojo kind of thing. It is my opinion though that if you do your best it won't matter whether you complete the 100-man. The effort is a far greater reward than the result.

Osu!

[smoothsake]

Let's also remember that you have to be CHOSEN to take the 100 man kumite. There's plenty of folks around the world within IKO1 that are probable candidates to complete the challenge based on skill, but because of one thing or another Honbu/Kancho doesn't select them.

Artur lives Kyokushin Karate, and is a good representative as determined by Honbu. He has been in Japan, teaching at Honbu for years, and he is immensely popular to the Japanese - just remember the cheers from the Japanese kids at the 9th WT. I was there and with no Japanese in the top 8, he was the next best thing to the locals.

[kakatootoshi]

For the benefit of the doubt I do not want to look down upon anyone, but unless I see more "concrete evidence" I am not interested in giving any serious advice or taking part in any serious discussion. Kyokushin4life is not about teaching people to do Hyakunin Kumite.

If some white belt come to you and ask, "how to tobi ushiro mawashi geri the opponent and win by ippon?" or "how to quickly finish the opponent?", are you serious going to teach him or her how to do it (provided that you do know). No I am not really interested in teaching the white belt what he or she is asking for.

And by joining one orgainzation without leaving another and think about attempting Hyakunin Kumite in another organization, I am not sure if you want to be truly apolitical or think that respect from the others is not important to you.

[Dent]

Osu!

I don't think we can teach this, KakatoOtoshi. It really is the culmination of many years of intense effort. I do think that we can show how hard it really is though, so that the achievement can be better seen for what it is.

Osu1

[bobh]

Yes, I see that many here have been trying to give good advice with a gentle approach. However, the message does not seem to be reaching its intended target. Someone with less tact might just say, "Dude, I appreciate your moxy but you are so far out of touch you might as well be on Mars. After getting your shodan, competing in a few knockdown events, etc. Let us know how you've done and then someone can point you in the right direction to try a 10 or 20 man event. Not to knock those events -- on the contrary they are pretty darn admirable -- but so is reaching black belt or stepping into the ring."

Now if you excuse me I am thinking of taking up politics and becoming the leader of a country. There are a whole more of those than 100-man kumite attempts.

Let training itself be your goal and see what else comes.

[bobh]

The smallest deed is greater than the grandest intention.

[meguro]

Let training itself be your goal and see what else comes.

I like the ring of this.

[DrNo]

My first and only advice on training for the 100man kumite:
...dont waste time on internet that could instead be spent in the dojo.

Osu

[ronin]

osu... all of you all who have posted positive & negative comments, thankz a lot for all this... i can learn so much from you guys... a big OSU to you all... i will relpy in the order the posts have come around...
1) Sensei Gary - thank you for that awesome advice... as i have mentioned before, i have attempted 25 man kumite for my TKD black belt exam & results were not bad... then for my Enshin nidan exam, i had to do 30 rounds of kumite... a few knock downs, no losses, most of them draws... as far as tournaments are concerned, i have fought in a few semi-contact tournaments (very less full contact t'ments held around here) & have knocked down my opponents & have been disqualified everytime... as far as i have learned about my weaknesses (all of them found out by my sensei), I AM WORKING ON THEM... osu...
2) kakatootoshi - thank you for your comments, No, i have still not entered the World Sabaki Challenge... but i am damn sure i will, within the next 3 years... & yeah i am working Hard towards it... yes, you were right that i had told i had no one to spar with or do conditioning, but that was some time ago... now i have training partners with whom i spar 1 hour daily & they do my conditioning 1 hour daily... so i guess i am gettin back on the track... No i am not a white belt... i hold black belt in Taekwondo & Nidan in Enshin Karate... i have been doin this for 12 years... so i am not a freasher at this, you know... teachin a white belt tobi ushiro mawashi geri or helpin him learn to get a quick knockout is not bad if he (your so-called white belt), is willing & dedicated enough to learn it & do it at any cost... teachin should not be biased as to teachin only bkack belts or teachin a good student... it should be impartial... & open to all... thats what i think & do... tryin Hyakunin Kumite in another org without leaving 1 org...??? that i am planning to do because as far as i have learned, Hyakunin kumite is not done in our org... my aim is to do it, be it in Enshin or any where else... osu..
3) all others - thank you a lot.. & a respectful OSU...
osu...

[Kansetsu]

OSU!

Ronin-san...let me just comment on one thing...in my opinion, you are correct when you say teaching should be open to all, however, i believe knowledge isn't always a good thing. Lets say you are a retired military personnel, and you started to teach Bomb making and disposal to local police departments. Now, should that particular knowledge be also taught to the local High School? To the Local Prisons?

As a teacher, you should have the judgement in when to teach a person, particular knowledge. If a person is not ready to learn something, then it is actually detrimental to that person, rather helping.

OSU!

[bobh]

Ronin, I somehow got the idea you might have been pulling our proverbial legs. I wish you the best in your training.

[ronin]

osu...
kansetsu san - good point... but i am not interested in learning bomb making.. all i am asking is help from knowledgable people on a topic which i am working on for years... so that my training is done the so-called right way or scientific way... thats all... its a different thing if people feel i am not good enough or learned enough or senior enough for them to share their knowledge with... its their personal opinion... may be they are right because they might know more than me... so i respect that & have got no problem with it... you said it is not helpful to teach something to someone who is not ready... let me ask, when will i or you know if i am good enough or ready to learn something here...??? anyways, thank you for that great advice... osu...

Bobh san - pulling your proverbial leg??? sorry but i didnt understand what you are trying to say... i am not here to pull or push anythng... i am here to learn, share & grow... thats all... but if you think that i am doing or saying something wrong, i am very sorry for that... do correct me... rgdz... osu...

[GJEC]

Osu! Ronin

I'd say if you're serious about this you'd be better off training in a system/style where the test is actively promoted and encouraged. Enshin does not, and the fighting style would make it much harder.

(Let me just explain that before people get offended! The throwing and pulling actions use more muscle groups and are therefore more tiring than punching and kicking alone)

After you have found such a group and proved yourself a serious candidate, work on stuff to support that goal. i.e. stuff that you can make effective and retain when exhausted. (Knowing multiple bunkai applications won't help)

I sense a little frustration here from some posters, as announcing your intention to jump into a group, do 100 fights and return to your existing one seems immodest and disrespectful.

Having said that, all great ambitions start somewhere. I wish you good luck - you'll need it - as after a certain number anybody who REALLY wants to stop you will be able to. I have it on good authority that goodwill all round is required.

Gary

[kyofighter]

The 100 man kumite test is more then just a fighting test. It is also a proof of deep respect and recognition from those who will fight you. If you don't have their respect , you won't pass the test. Let's be honest, any of those who tested allready could have been stoped before the 100 fight.
I would work on this aspect also, if I would want to try the 100 man test.

[ronin]

osu...
Sensei Gary... biggest respects for your advice... thanks a lot... i really appreciate it... i surely will try what you have said.. i do understand it is far more difficult to try out Hyakunin Kumite under Enshin rules than under other rules... but if saying so, people thought it was impossible for man to fly or step foot on moon...but that was until some started working on it damn seriously & now both of these incredible feats have been achieved... these feats were supposed to be impossible, & still they have been achieved... & Hyakunin Kumite is just difficult... but not impossible... so whats wrong in trying your best...??? i believe, to try until my last breath... & then some more... atleast at the end of the day i can lay proud & say i tried my best... (enough of the big mouthing from me)... hehehe...

please dont get me wrong when i say i wll try to do 100 man kumite in some other org...i do not mean to be disrespectful when i say i will join some org that will allow me to attempt Hyakunin Kumite... i just wanna do it... thats all... no disrespect to anyone... & i am not gonna leave any org that i join... i will continue to be a member of the Enshin family & any other org (if at all i join)... nothing doing with politics or such things.. my only priority is doing my best where ever i try... thats all... osu...

Kyofighter san - very true... i sure will work on that too... now that help is coming in from all sides & with so much advices from such respectable people, i am feeling much confident bout my dream.. & surely i will give my best efforts to make this dream a reality... thanks you all a lot.. osu...

[ksan]

I have to agree with kyofighter. Doing hyakunin is also about respecting you enough to let you pass. If every contestant always get 100 fighters who all will do anything to let you fail... no one will pass ever.

We did the math on it once. Say you fight 30 fights and everyone manages to get two lowkicks in at 80% of their maximum (i am talking about unblocked lowkicks). Thats 60 on each leg or 48 at full force on each leg (give or take a few) with 96 in total. I wonder who thinks he can still walk home after 96 unblocked lowkicks or even to his car outside the dojo. I think icepacks and a ride to the hospital is more realistic. (this is only after 30 fight, not a 100)

We tried a test after this, some voluntered to be kicked at full force with a low kick on the upper thigh (simulating the unblocked kicks in the fight). All participants were trained kyokushin practisioners. Remember this is full force. Most called it quits before ten, only a few came to 12 or 13 (on a single leg). 12 or 13 on 1 leg would mean your about 8% in on your hyakunin with 92 more fights to go.

[sandman]

Osu!

Ronin, I think Bobh just meant that he suspected you were being unrealistic. I can only speak for myself, but because the 100 man kumite is such an intense challenge and only very few people ever even get selected to try it, to have someone come on the forum that I don't really know anything about and say that they are going to do it, my immediate reaction is suspicion - like "ok, this guy is kidding himself." Kind of like if some teenager came up and said that he was going be an NBA basketball star - odds are against it. At any rate, this is maybe an unfair attitude on our part as we have never met you personally or watched you train.

I'm afraid I can't give you any technical advice on how to train for something this challenging, as I know I'm certainly not up to it, but I can wish you the best of luck and give you a hearty OSU!

[jcc]

I have to agree with kyofighter. Doing hyakunin is also about respecting you enough to let you pass. If every contestant always get 100 fighters who all will do anything to let you fail... no one will pass ever.

We did the math on it once. Say you fight 30 fights and everyone manages to get two lowkicks in at 80% of their maximum (i am talking about unblocked lowkicks). Thats 60 on each leg or 48 at full force on each leg (give or take a few) with 96 in total. I wonder who thinks he can still walk home after 96 unblocked lowkicks or even to his car outside the dojo. I think icepacks and a ride to the hospital is more realistic. (this is only after 30 fight, not a 100)

We tried a test after this, some voluntered to be kicked at full force with a low kick on the upper thigh (simulating the unblocked kicks in the fight). All participants were trained kyokushin practisioners. Remember this is full force. Most called it quits before ten, only a few came to 12 or 13 (on a single leg). 12 or 13 on 1 leg would mean your about 8% in on your hyakunin with 92 more fights to go.

Osu! ksan,

That´s some frightening statistics there - I mean that you have people in your dojo prepared to volunteer to be kicked flat out on the thigh! :p :D

OSU-EN2

[bobh]

[...]

Bobh san - pulling your proverbial leg??? sorry but i didnt understand what you are trying to say... i am not here to pull or push anythng... i am here to learn, share & grow... thats all... but if you think that i am doing or saying something wrong, i am very sorry for that... do correct me... rgdz... osu...

No, I meant that I *thought* you might not have been serious -- and after your recent posts I realized you were serious about your goals. I apologize and wish you the best. Osu!

[Dent]

Osu!

you said it is not helpful to teach something to someone who is not ready... let me ask, when will i or you know if i am good enough or ready to learn something here...???

I don't think that this was Kansetsu's intention. I think it was a general statement regarding every one of us. It is the position of a qualified teacher to directly teach the student.

We tried a test after this, some voluntered to be kicked at full force with a low kick on the upper thigh


Be honest, Ksan. Did you volunteer Olrac?! :eek: :D :D :D

Osu!

[ksan]

Be honest, Ksan. Did you volunteer Olrac?! :eek: :D :D :D

Osu!


Say.. for arguments sake i did... what would be the consequences for me at this time ??

[Kansetsu]

Say.. for arguments sake i did... what would be the consequences for me at this time ??

OSU!

It depends...did you push him to go to number 12 or 13? LOL...if not, then you need to do pushups...lol.

OSU!

[kakatootoshi]

I'd say if you're serious about this you'd be better off training in a system/style where the test is actively promoted and encouraged. Enshin does not, and the fighting style would make it much harder.

(Let me just explain that before people get offended! The throwing and pulling actions use more muscle groups and are therefore more tiring than punching and kicking alone)


I think Hyakunin Kumite in Enshin is unimaginable if not impossible. Even under Kyokushin rules there is a forumla to keep the distance with the opponent.


I sense a little frustration here from some posters, as announcing your intention to jump into a group, do 100 fights and return to your existing one seems immodest and disrespectful.

If one is to do Hyakunin Kumite in Enshin rules, doing it in EnshinKaikan in most logicial. Doing Enshin rules under a Kyokushin splinter group is just weird. And while Hyakunin Kumite is a Kyokushin thing, I certainly do not think Hyakunin Kumite is actively promoted and encouraged in all splinter groups.

Dear ronin,
No you get me wrong. I do not mean staying in Enshin is repsectful. I mean leaving Enshin is perhaps more respectful. All those on kyokushin4life who are entering tournaments are training hard (or at least say so) so I am not too interested in hearing about your training. Rather I would like to know how you are going to deal with it politically. Have you told your Sensei you are going to do Hyakunin Kumite? Have you ever tried to contact the Kancho of your organization so he knows there is someone in his organization who wants to do Hyakunin Kumite? Or does your Kancho know that you may do Hyakunin Kumite in another orgainzation, not Enshin, then go back to Enshin? It is meaningless to say "I am not politcal, I just want to do it". No one is asking whether you are being politcal or not, but the things you are now trying to do are highly politcal and may cause conflicts between two organziations. Being weird is okay, as long as you have made sure what you are doing is not going to cause trouble between Enshin and whatever splinter group you are going to join at the same time.

[ksan]

OSU!

It depends...did you push him to go to number 12 or 13? LOL...if not, then you need to do pushups...lol.

OSU!

It was before olrac`s time.... boys will be boys i guess....


But what i was trying to show is that hyakunin kumite is also about letting someone pass (as kyofighter also stated)... i have always frowned upon it (no disrespect to all who tried and passed/failed because stepping up and trying one is already a very big thing worthy of respect)

Osu





Dear ronin,
No you get me wrong. I do not mean staying in Enshin is repsectful. I mean leaving Enshin is perhaps more respectful. All those on kyokushin4life who are entering tournaments are training hard (or at least say so) so I am not too interested in hearing about your training. Rather I would like to know how you are going to deal with it politically. Have you told your Sensei you are going to do Hyakunin Kumite? Have you ever tried to contact the Kancho of your organization so he knows there is someone in his organization who wants to do Hyakunin Kumite? Or does your Kancho know that you may do Hyakunin Kumite in another orgainzation, not Enshin, then go back to Enshin? It is meaningless to say "I am not politcal, I just want to do it". No one is asking whether you are being politcal or not, but the things you are now trying to do are highly politcal and may cause conflicts between two organziations. Being weird is okay, as long as you have made sure what you are doing is not going to cause trouble between Enshin and whatever splinter group you are going to join at the same time.


Kakatootoshi also has a few very good points, you cant just hop organisations that easy, that would be disrespectful (imho). And the organisations wouldnt just stand for that so easily. Even if you leave Enshin and enter a different org that does do hyakunin, what makes you think they would even let you attempt one? We hear about Arthur Hovhannisian`s Hyakunin because he is a well know figure... how is your standing in the kyokushin world, or even in the Enshin world (no offence meant) Have you won many tournaments? I think for every hyakunin we see/ hear about there are severel requests being denied by the org (for various reason`s i presume)


osu

[kakatootoshi]

It was before olrac`s time.... boys will be boys i guess....


But what i was trying to show is that hyakunin kumite is also about letting someone pass (as kyofighter also stated)...


Hyakunin Kumite is just like grading Kumite, only a more difficult version for a group of elites.

To let people pass shows that with training there is hope.
To not let people pass shows that there is a standard.

[Kansetsu]

Hyakunin Kumite is just like grading Kumite, only a more difficult version for a group of elites.

To let people pass shows that with training there is hope.
To not let people pass shows that there is a standard.

OSU!

Awesome statement there...!!! (going a bit off topic, wish a lot of the martial arts schools out there followed this...and not just in martial arts).

OSU!

[GJEC]

Changing tack slightly it may also interest people to know the way English Martial Arts (c16th) played their promotion tests - called 'prizes'. In England these events were held in public to prove that there was no cheating or favouritism. Prizes were incredible feats of courage and endurance that not only tested a man’s technical ability but his mettle as well. Although the edged weapons used in prizing were blunt they were still extremely dangerous and capable of killing or inflicting serious injuries. Any student taking a prize had to publish (at his own cost) Bills of Challenge to inform the public, and other students, of the time, date, and location of his prize-playing. In addition to this, they were expected to pay half of the cost of any answerer ( those who fought him) who lived more than twenty miles from the location of the prize-playing. And, just to ensure that he wasn’t tempted to give himself an easy day, he would be fined 5 shillings ( a lot of money in those days) for every provost he failed to notify.

He would have to fight three bouts apiece with every answerer with each weapon he was prizing at. So, for example, if a scholar (basic rank) was playing his free scholars prize which usually involved two weapons (typically, broadsword and quarterstaff) and ten students turned up to fight him he would have to fight a total of sixty bouts with virtually no respite since the fights were continuous. His opponents, on the other hand, had the benefit of long periods of rest between each three bout session while the other challengers fought their bouts. The greatest number of bouts on record was the 126 bouts fought at two-hand sword and sword and buckler (a type of shield) by Edward Harvye when he played for the rank of free scholar during the late 1500’s. Some students had to fight so many answerers that their prize took two days to complete. Just imagine that, two days of non-stop fighting with the heavy weapons of the day. How many of us today, I wonder, could cope with the enormous physical and mental drain engendered by such a task? It represented, I think you will all agree, a prodigious effort by anyone’s standards.

There’s really nothing new under the Sun.

Gary

[ksan]

To let people pass shows that with training there is hope.
To not let people pass shows that there is a standard.


Wise words, ...yet again ...


osu

[smoothsake]

Perhaps to be fair to Ronin, we should let him share his resume with us to see how serious and qualified he is for the hyakunin. Ronin, can you tell us more about yourself? We know you are nidan, but what Enshin accomplishments do you have under your belt? Tournament record? Special feats?

[Dent]

Osu!

Say.. for arguments sake i did... what would be the consequences for me at this time ??

No consequences to you, but I think I know why he throws himself off buildings and out of aeroplanes. It's less scary, and probably less damage too! :D

Gary, there have been some very tough men through the years...

Osu!

[kakatootoshi]

Training is important but I think in this case communication with the upper level is necessary. If the Hyakunin Kumite can be done in Enshinkaikan then everyone is happy. If not and you try to do it in another organization, Enshin may not be happy. And neither do I see the point of a Kyokushin splinter group allowing to do what you have tried to do. How are you going to make their fighters look like if even they have no fighters doing Hyakunin Kumite, and suddenly someone with a non-Kyokushin blackbelt knocks on the door and say he wants to do Hyakunin Kumite in a different set of rules? If you cannot get the above done appropriately, I wonder if you will be "respected" enough to get a hundred decent fighters (not just ten color belts who care not about politics and resue them each ten times) to finish your feat. Everyone can train hard, but not everyone can do Hyakunin Kumite.

Ronin claims that he will train hard and try his best physically and I think it is no use to talk him out or into doing anything based on his record. Rather I think he should explain to us how he is going to deal with the political side of the situation.

[ksan]

I think I know why he throws himself off buildings and out of aeroplanes.

Thats not even all.... he might be small and have a friendly smile... but this isnt all there is to him.... He doesnt get recalled for certain aspects of what he did up to and including now because he was "avarage" at what he did....:rolleyes:

[ronin]

osu... thank you all for your wonderful response... now, from all the talks going on here, i can now say that -
1) Hyakunin Kumite - (Kyokushin rules) - tough, (Enshin rules) - hell lot tough... but in both cases, i still think it is POSSIBLE...
2) Hyakunin Kumite in Enshinkaikan - talk to Kancho (may be i will do it when i feel i am prepared or almost prepared for the test &/OR worthy enough (tournament records, other feats of greatness, good contacts & relations with my opponents for Hyakunin Kumite etc)...
3) Hyakunin Kumite in some other org - not practical (atleast, thats what i can see reading most of the posts here)...
4) My resume - tournaments - 6 tournaments (1 club, 1 interschool, 1 state, 2 national, 1 international) all most all semi-contact, knocked down my opponents in most of the fights thus getting disqualified, lost some on points... (damn, thats the worse tournament record ever for a Hyakunin Kumite probable)...
5) Training - i believe after reading my tournament resume, most of you all will not be slightly interested in my training program... so not putting anything here... may be, IF i complete my Hyakunin Kumite (someday, i surely will), may be then i can proudly put my training routine here...
6) dealing with the political problems arising from me switching sides - damn, i dont know what to do under such a situation... i am so blank bout this problem... never felt so helpless before this...
as of now, i should be thinking where & under whom (if at all they allow me to do so) can i try to attempt Hyakunin Kumite rather than worrying bout the consequences or results of 100 fights... so, in the end i can say "it is good to dream only if you are living in a non-political society..." sorry if i have offended anyone... osu...
for now, for me, its just training at my best & leave everything else on fate... if its in my fate, I WILL ATTEMPT & COMPLETE HYAKUNIN KUMITE (no matter how good or bad my t'ment records are, no matter how famous or not i am, no matter how good or not good contacts i have with my opponents, no matter which org or rules set i try it under, no matter what)...
but when i say it, i am damn serious bout it... someday, I WILL Complete the Hyakunin Kumite... OSU...

[kyofighter]

if its in my fate, I WILL ATTEMPT & COMPLETE HYAKUNIN KUMITE (no matter how good or bad my t'ment records are, no matter how famous or not i am, no matter how good or not good contacts i have with my opponents, no matter which org or rules set i try it under, no matter what)...
but when i say it, i am damn serious bout it... someday, I WILL Complete the Hyakunin Kumite... OSU...

No respectfull organization will let you even try it under this conditions. You need to understand that it is a huge responsability and if you want to be considered to even try it you need to be a world class fighter.
Just see who are the last 5 who did it and then compare yourself to them. Can you ? I doubt it.

[kakatootoshi]

osu... thank you all for your wonderful response... now, from all the talks going on here, i can now say that -
1) Hyakunin Kumite - (Kyokushin rules) - tough, (Enshin rules) - hell lot tough... but in both cases, i still think it is POSSIBLE...
2) Hyakunin Kumite in Enshinkaikan - talk to Kancho (may be i will do it when i feel i am prepared or almost prepared for the test &/OR worthy enough (tournament records, other feats of greatness, good contacts & relations with my opponents for Hyakunin Kumite etc)...
3) Hyakunin Kumite in some other org - not practical (atleast, thats what i can see reading most of the posts here)...
4) My resume - tournaments - 6 tournaments (1 club, 1 interschool, 1 state, 2 national, 1 international) all most all semi-contact, knocked down my opponents in most of the fights thus getting disqualified, lost some on points... (damn, thats the worse tournament record ever for a Hyakunin Kumite probable)...
5) Training - i believe after reading my tournament resume, most of you all will not be slightly interested in my training program... so not putting anything here... may be, IF i complete my Hyakunin Kumite (someday, i surely will), may be then i can proudly put my training routine here...
6) dealing with the political problems arising from me switching sides - damn, i dont know what to do under such a situation... i am so blank bout this problem... never felt so helpless before this...
as of now, i should be thinking where & under whom (if at all they allow me to do so) can i try to attempt Hyakunin Kumite rather than worrying bout the consequences or results of 100 fights... so, in the end i can say "it is good to dream only if you are living in a non-political society..." sorry if i have offended anyone... osu...
for now, for me, its just training at my best & leave everything else on fate... if its in my fate, I WILL ATTEMPT & COMPLETE HYAKUNIN KUMITE (no matter how good or bad my t'ment records are, no matter how famous or not i am, no matter how good or not good contacts i have with my opponents, no matter which org or rules set i try it under, no matter what)...
but when i say it, i am damn serious bout it... someday, I WILL Complete the Hyakunin Kumite... OSU...

1. Sure.
2. Then you just talk to Kancho, okay?
4. When you list your tournament records, leave out anything semi-contact, club, state or interschool. And for national, most people fighting in world tournaments are top fighters in their country but how many will do Hyakunin Kumite? And when you say you get disqualified by knocking someone down in semi-contact you will only command disrespect. It is like punching someone in the face hard in an Enshin fight.
5. You can put your training routine at the "training" section at the forums.
6. My advice is if you have been training very hard (something subjective and all people on the forums can say they train hard, and it is impolite to doubt them) and reached a standard where most people think you deserve to do Hyakunin Kumite and you are not allowed to do it, then PERHAPS this is a problem of politics. But for you right now it has nothing to with politics. There is a difference between being apolitical and being impolite, and you must learn it.

And please re-read the last message of kyofighter. It basically is what you have been told again and again.

for now, for me, its just training at my best & leave everything else on fate... if its in my fate, I WILL ATTEMPT & COMPLETE HYAKUNIN KUMITE (no matter how good or bad my t'ment records are, no matter how famous or not i am, no matter how good or not good contacts i have with my opponents, no matter which org or rules set i try it under, no matter what)...
but when i say it, i am damn serious bout it... someday, I WILL Complete the Hyakunin Kumite... OSU...


I do not understand what you mean by this passage because at the beginning you say you will work hard to get the tournament records, contacts and relations and other things required for the possible "Hyakunin Kumite" and now you say if it is in your fate, then the above requirements are not important anymore? What is the difference between you and someone who goes to a shop and order a black belt and blank certificate? If everyday there are just 10 people in Enshin or Kyokushin shouting "It is my fate I have to do Hyakunin Kumite" I think people in Enshin and Kyokushin will be too busy. If just anyone is allowed to even try the Hyakunin Kumite, do you not think it has been made low-class? To illustrate, with your current records (I know you are not going to try Hyakunin Kumite soon), if tomorrow you tell us you just finish the Hyakunin Kumite, we will all believe you but you, your Dojo and your country will just become an instant laughing stock. Hyakunin Kumite is about personal training but it is not totally about "I have do do it/my fate/I do not care".

Whether you want to listen or not, I suggest you to have a long talk with people with important positions in your organization, not just online advise from people from other organizations.

[ksan]

for now, for me, its just training at my best

With respect, I think these are your wisest words yet....


Sosai once said:

Keep your head low (modesty),
eyes high (ambition),
mouth shut (serenity);
base yourself on filial piety and benefit others.


I think this is a very good proverb.


Osu

[Dent]

Osu!

Maybe you can post video of the steps suggested by GJEChamberlain. 10, 20, 30 etc fights.

Osu!

[smoothsake]

You know Ronin, if you had said instead way in the beginning, "I would love to have the opportunity one day to do the hyakunin kumite." I think we would have avoided all of this discussion of why we think you are not qualified. There's a difference in my statement versus yours which comes off as boastful. I have a feeling that you are just young but you seem like a good kid so don't take it the wrong way. Keep training hard.

[ronin]

osu...
Smoothstake san... thank you... i will keep training hard... osu..
Dent san, i will post the videos as soon as i attempt these tests... osu...
Ksan, thank you... osu...
Kautootoshi san, i sure will talk with people of higher positions in my org as soon as i get an opportunity to do so...
Kyofighter san, thank you for the advice, i know i have to be of world class caliber to attempt or get selected to do this test... but then none of these fighters joined the dojo yesterday, became world champs today & then attempted the Hyakunin Kumite the very next day, did they...??? they took time & i believe it will take sometime for me too... i didnt say i will do it tomorrow.. i said someday, i will do it... osu...

[mzee101]

i have been away for awhile so it is good to see that shihan Artur has completed this very difficult feat . Many people ask which is the toughest karate style the answer kyokushin ! shame i cant read the details though on the wbesite ...............

[mcuz]

100 man kumite is a great goal and a great accomplishment for Artur Hovhannisian - congratulations to him. Again it is for the type of karateka who has forged an iron will through very hard training and tough competition (meaning world class ....). As for myself there are more practical goals to work on such developing techniques working on furthering my knowledge of kata, ground fighting, self defense, weapons(one day).

There are many ways to challenge yourself in the martial arts, the 100 man kumite is one of them - pick challenges appropriate to your needs and abilities, one step at a time...

[bobh]

You know, if you think about it, any of us could attempt 100-man kumite. Unofficially, just to test myself, I could gather 50 fighters willing to fight twice and a couple of people to "ref" and time the fights.

Think about how hard it would be to gather that number of people that respect you enough to show up. If one can do that, do it. Why does it need to be in any record book? Who cares? So why all this talk? Just do it. If you can't find 50 or so people to show up, think about that.

[Dent]

Osu!

You know, if you think about it, any of us could attempt 100-man kumite. Unofficially, just to test myself, I could gather 50 fighters willing to fight twice and a couple of people to "ref" and time the fights.

Think about how hard it would be to gather that number of people that respect you enough to show up. If one can do that, do it. Why does it need to be in any record book? Who cares? So why all this talk? Just do it. If you can't find 50 or so people to show up, think about that.

On the 30th anniversary of my starting Karate, my loving wife (As a special no-warning surprise ;) ) gathered a number of my MA friends, and I got to do 30 rounds of their choice. Knockdown, Muay Thai, MMA, Sub-grappling etc. What a great time!

As you say, Bobh, if it's the personal test you're after, the first part is finding people willing to spend their time with you. :)

Osu!

[kakatootoshi]

Osu!



On the 30th anniversary of my starting Karate, my loving wife (As a special no-warning surprise ;) ) gathered a number of my MA friends, and I got to do 30 rounds of their choice. Knockdown, Muay Thai, MMA, Sub-grappling etc. What a great time!

As you say, Bobh, if it's the personal test you're after, the first part is finding people willing to spend their time with you. :)

Osu!

Was it 30 friends or 3 busy friends who kept putting on different costumes:confused:

[Dent]

Osu!

Was it 30 friends or 3 busy friends who kept putting on different costumes:confused:

It was a single mime, being everything from a hyperactive kid to a Sumo wrestler! :D

(Actually, men, women, and even my own kids took part. It was deeply moving, and a real reward. Sometimes it feels a bit lonely, with no one close left from my early days. I think I've heard of more funerals than weddings of old members lately, so events like this help to focus on the now, as opposed to the past. The past is valuable, but only ghosts live there.)

Osu!

[kakatootoshi]

Osu!



It was a single mime, being everything from a hyperactive kid to a Sumo wrestler! :D

(Actually, men, women, and even my own kids took part. It was deeply moving, and a real reward. Sometimes it feels a bit lonely, with no one close left from my early days. I think I've heard of more funerals than weddings of old members lately, so events like this help to focus on the now, as opposed to the past. The past is valuable, but only ghosts live there.)

Osu!

To be more optimistic, having a funeral is better than passing away silently and not remembered. The days that you spent with those friends, each traning, each (how each person does it) Kihon, Kata (good or bad), the way that each person box, wrestles and MMA, the words they said and the people they taught or influenced, all these will not be wiped away.

And to be less optimistic, weddings are just rehearsals for funerals for many. The difference is in one the victim get eternal peace while in the other the victim get eternal disturbance:(

[Dent]

Osu!

To be more optimistic, having a funeral is better than passing away silently and not remembered. The days that you spent with those friends, each traning, each (how each person does it) Kihon, Kata (good or bad), the way that each person box, wrestles and MMA, the words they said and the people they taught or influenced, all these will not be wiped away.

Osu-EN1

And to be less optimistic, weddings are just rehearsals for funerals for many. The difference is in one the victim get eternal peace while in the other the victim get eternal disturbance:(

Ah, the old question! If (In the West) the bride wears white, signifying life, rebirth and future, why does the groom wear black? :D

Osu!

[ronin]

osu.. so true... & bobh san, so right you are... i surely will give a thought about your idea of finding good fighter & try the ultimate test (with out the hype one gets while attempting at the hombu).... work in progress... osu...

[SKohai]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EAH9Q1jA67A

A big accomplishment considering the people he fought, however not to be disrespectful but i beleive 100 men kumite 15 years ago used to be more intense and hard in contact than now.

[effectz]

finding 50 people to even show up to the dojo is a testament to the individual itself ... and shows the type of reputation you have amongst your fellow karate-ka!

[powerof0ne]

finding 50 people to even show up to the dojo is a testament to the individual itself ... and shows the type of reputation you have amongst your fellow karate-ka!
Kancho Murphy of the KSK is doing a 50 man on September 24th. To some, this may not seem that cool since it's not a 100 man but I respect the head of any organization to attempt such a feat while they're the head. I know of many other heads that would never dare do such a thing while they're the head..only in their younger years!

Kancho Murphy has asked for any yudansha with knockdown tournament experience to contact him to be a part of it, so it's definitely not staged.

I have a 50 man I'll be attempting that I delayed due to a permanent injury but it's either do or die time, now, is the way I look at it. Notice, I said attempt, I have no disillusion of grandeur running through my head that it'll be a "piece of cake." I also have to do this after all the kihon, kata, renraku, etc.

I have nothing but the greatest amount of respect for anybody that has even attempted a 100 man kumite, let alone be successful in it!

Often times I see certain things as black or white. Meaning that, someone has no right to comment on how successful a military mission was if they have never been in military combat. This also applies to commenting on doing a 50, 100 man, etc. kumite like it's a walk through the park when they have never done it.

Don't mean to ruffle anyone's feathers but it's the way I see things.
Osu-EN1

[bobh]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EAH9Q1jA67A

A big accomplishment considering the people he fought, however not to be disrespectful but i beleive 100 men kumite 15 years ago used to be more intense and hard in contact than now.

Everything was harder, stronger, faster, smoother, tastier, and less-filling in the old days.:rolleyes:;)

Osu!

[GJEC]

Everything was harder in the old days

I'm sure a lot of us old dogs are shaking our heads sadly as we agree there Bob.

:);):)

Gary

[SKohai]

I wonder how do they prepare for the 100 men kumite. Is it same as in preparing for a tournament like short high intensity stuff such as sprints, lots of bag work etc?

[DrNo]

I dont think they even prepare for a 100 man kumite. You have to remember that it is very few men that do this (or I would say invited to do it). These men are many times former world champions so they practicaly live for training already.

[sandman]

I wonder how do they prepare for the 100 men kumite. Is it same as in preparing for a tournament like short high intensity stuff such as sprints, lots of bag work etc?

Spirit? How did you prepare for it?

My guess is, among other things, lots and lots of kumite!

[powerof0ne]

Spirit? How did you prepare for it?

My guess is, among other things, lots and lots of kumite!
No, it's spending countless hours playing street fighter and mortal kombat video games ;)!

LOL, I'm being very sarcastic, if it was only that easy..
Osu!

[Ryan M Villarosa]

Osu.

BTW, opponent number 90 is Sensei Emil Kostov of Bulgaria. :)

[DrNo]

Arthur is not going for the WT?