Judo- IJF with new rules

[Steffen]

The International Judo Federation has some new rules which they are proposing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1IG4Au-3A0s

[powerof0ne]

*sigh*...I highly disagree with this rule change. For those of you that don't know Rhadi Ferguson is also a BJJ black belt and associated with Lloyd Irvin. For the last few years I have studied some of Rhadi's techniques and strategies. He is very articulated and great at making me understand gripping, take downs, and throws.
Judo has been losing a lot of popularity over the last decade and in my opinion this will only hurt it even more. If you don't believe me look how many Judo tournaments, especially in the USA, that were going on a decade ago. Look how often you have Judo tournaments now. CA used to practically have at least one Judo tournament every weekend...you're lucky to go to one every 3 months or so (unless you go to a highschool that has a Judo program).

[milwaukeecop2]

The U.S is not a big force in the international judo community, and I dont see these rule changes helping. Keep in mind, that these are not official rule changes for IJF, they are just trying them out at the JR. Worlds.

[Dent]

Osu!

In my opinion, this is going to unfairly penalize shorter players. I was annoyed when they took out the standing armbars, but this is even worse. And no NeWaza???!!!

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[Martin H]

judo is getting more and more crippled :-(

[shidokanatlanta]

as they said it will be a test for new rules. it is a sport and it is an olympic sport. olympic style tae kwon do and judo have undergone changes for whatever reasons, but they are still the most practiced martial arts in the world. as a kickboxer i could easily say that tae kwon do and knock down are ridiculous because they don't allow punching to face. or we could say that point fighting is useless because they don't use full contact or they stop too much. they are sports that specialize on certain aspects. so, as with all things, take it with a grain of salt. if your goal is to do competitive judo, then you'll have to adjust to whatever the rules are if that is what you want to do. it does not weaken the art, it's just a sport.

[Dorsini]

This going to be interesting.

[meguro]

What are the reasons for these latest changes? Viewer interest? Shortage of judges?

[smoothsake]

If you don't believe me look how many Judo tournaments, especially in the USA, that were going on a decade ago. Look how often you have Judo tournaments now. CA used to practically have at least one Judo tournament every weekend...you're lucky to go to one every 3 months or so (unless you go to a highschool that has a Judo program).

Funny, seems to me like there is a tournament every weekend still. Calendar (http://nankajudo.com/Calendar2009.html)


In my opinion, this is going to unfairly penalize shorter players. I was annoyed when they took out the standing armbars, but this is even worse. And no NeWaza???!!!


I don't think it has anything to do with newaza, just certain below the waist moves are going to be taken out, like kata guruma which looks like a a fireman's carry. Not sure why they even came up with this experimental rule change because they are fun throws to watch.

judo is getting more and more crippled :-(

Don't agree here. I think it's good to experiment with the rules to see what works best and what makes it more interesting for the spectators. It's worse in my opinion to just continue with the rules without modification over time. I do however think judo should bring more moves in rather than take moves out, at least from a competitive standpoint, so long as you lessen risk of injury.

[shidokanatlanta]

in atlanta, last week was the world masters. there have been several over the past few months in my city. karate is what is hurting, not judo.

[smoothsake]

McDojos have hurt the brand of karate here in the US. Judo in my opinion has not been affected by it.

[shidokanatlanta]

american point karate still has always been big in the u.s. full contact karate has declined in the u.s. (not that it was ever as popular as other martial arts here).

[shinobijesus]

this is absolutely ridiculous. Judo isnt an evolving sport, its constantly and inarguably devolving. direct quote of my first sensei -

"we used to have whats called a pistol grip. you grab the sleeve like this... *demonstrates* and it was acceptable. however a while back there was a Korean guy just kicking the snot out of everyone with this grip so they took it out. they didnt tell everyone 'tough luck and figure out how to deal with it' they just took it out"

it seems one of the final acts of professor Jigoro Kano ended up sealing the fate of Judo upon his death - letting Judo become an olympic sport. one of the direct translations i saw of professor Kano explaining randori makes it sound like back in the day you could do damn near anything but hit the guy to win. now the rules have taken out so many grips, so many throws, and its just getting worse and worse.

although no more newaza? you have to have newaza happening in the first place to be able to take it out. 5 seconds or less does not qualify as newaza in my book. in the first dojo i trained at we had epic newaza matches. you had to literally be unable to do anything to the person for as long as 2 minutes before our sensei would stand it up. newaza takes time to work and rushing it just makes it suck. hard.

the entire Judo community needs a revolution that gets back to the roots of Judo. bring back all the throws aside from the absolute most dangerous. bring back newaza, real newaza. so sick of hearing bjj kids brag about their "rolling skillz" and berating Judo newaza labeling it as ineffectual.

[Dent]

Osu!

it does not weaken the art, it's just a sport.

I think that competition Judo takes up the majority of time for most Dojo. Fewer effective technique coupled with more unrealistic rules means the art does suffer, simply thanks to a substantially narrowed syllabus.

I think it's good to experiment with the rules to see what works best and what makes it more interesting for the spectators.
I do however think judo should bring more moves in rather than take moves out, at least from a competitive standpoint, so long as you lessen risk of injury.

Oh dear! :eek: If anyone gets a say in combat sports (And I do realize the unfortunate realities of the situation...), I'd like it to be competitors first, officials second, and spectators last. True, the majority of those who watch Judo are/ have been participants at some level, but that should mean that they are able to appreciate the subtle nuances at work.

I firmly believe that a return to the widest range of techniques possible is a better bet.

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[shidokanatlanta]

let's see how it impacts on the sport. it appears that a large vote has requested this. i don't like the scoring in international amateur boxing and even tae kwon do scoring has undergone changes since becoming an olympic sport. not everybody is going to be happy with the rules, but once again they are sports. whether these changes are good or bad, these sports are there and that is good.

[smoothsake]

Oh dear! :eek: If anyone gets a say in combat sports (And I do realize the unfortunate realities of the situation...), I'd like it to be competitors first, officials second, and spectators last. True, the majority of those who watch Judo are/ have been participants at some level, but that should mean that they are able to appreciate the subtle nuances at work.


Have you ever watched a BJJ tournament? Pretty boring in my book watching two guys roll around, stall, and stall some more. I think it's important to take into account the spectators if you are trying to market the sport and grow the art.

I think in this case with the IJF proposed new rules it is actually not for the spectators. Some have referred this to the return to true judo. Many of these leg grabs were imported in to judo from wrestling and in the eyes of the IOC there's already the freestyle wrestling category for many of those moves. For the record, I don't agree with the move.

[Dent]

Osu!

Have you ever watched a BJJ tournament? Pretty boring in my book watching two guys roll around, stall, and stall some more. I think it's important to take into account the spectators if you are trying to market the sport and grow the art.

Yes, and yes. :) And yet BJJ is growing at an amazing rate. Could it be because of the fairly safe, yet alive, training, and not because of the spectating value?

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[shidokanatlanta]

and if bjj was an olympic sport, it would undergo changes too.

[shinobijesus]

I think in this case with the IJF proposed new rules it is actually not for the spectators. Some have referred this to the return to true judo. Many of these leg grabs were imported in to judo from wrestling and in the eyes of the IOC there's already the freestyle wrestling category for many of those moves.

anyone who said that can be uke for my sukuinage.

http://www.kodokan.org/e_waza/sukuinage.html

true Judo is vast. competition Judo is pedantic.

[sdfighter]

http://www.intjudo.eu/?Menu=News&Action=Full&type_id=1&id=284&lang_id=2&mid=4

http://www.kodokan.org/e_waza/morotegari.html

[Paedde]

Have you ever watched a BJJ tournament? Pretty boring in my book watching two guys roll around, stall, and stall some more. I think it's important to take into account the spectators if you are trying to market the sport and grow the art.

It is not boring at all if there is no stalling and you know what's going on. And stalling is boring in every sport...

The practicioner is way more important than the spectator in my eyes. Otherwise the art gets completely useless outside of it's ruleset.

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