Pinan ichi (after the opening)

[ksan]

when you close for gedan barai and step away (IFK kata Book) picture 3 to 4 (stance is best seen in picture 7)



Any one any idea`s on bunkai`s ?

Osu

Ksan

[Satori]

Osu,

I'm unfamiliar with the IFK kata book... could you provide the count of the techniques? Does each picture correspond to one count?

[Martin H]

Do you mean the second gedan barai (to the right side) followed by the front foot drawing back from zenkutsu dachi to neko ashi dachi, while the front hand makes a hamerfist to the opponents eye level (going by the orthodox "a punch is a punch and a block is a block" explanation)?

[ksan]

actually the first gedan berai

Osu

[Martin H]

Originally Posted by ksan

actually the first gedan berai

Osu

For one bunkai, see the post I made about taikyoku openings
http://www.kyokushin4life.com/forums...ead.php?t=2732

Different kata, but the same move. (esp since taikyoku was created to ease beginners into the pinans, and the pinans was created to ease people into Kanku and Bassai.

[Bloke]

Im going to throw this out there and see what you think - could it be a throw? Grabbing with the left hand and pulling the opponent over the back leg (using it to trip them).

Really not explaining this correctly.

[supergroup7]

I believe that the first Gedan Berai in this kata is a double handed wrist release. One's opponent is standing in front of you, and has grabbed both of your wrists to control, and subdue you. ( His right hand holding your left wrist, and his left hand holding your right wrist.) Stepping forwards slightly with your left foot to crowd him back, you only need to do the "SET" position of Gedan Berai with speed, and focus to release both of your wrists. After this movement, your left hand is free to send a tettsui to the groin/ or inner thigh, and your right hand can easilly grab him, and pull him into unbalance.

[supergroup7]

"could it be a throw? Grabbing with the left hand and pulling the opponent over the back leg (using it to trip them)."

I'm making a deep guess here, but I'm thinking ( due to my smaller stature) that I would need the rotation of my hip to effect a good throw. In this movement of the kata, I can feel that my power is heading towards my left leg which is opposite to the direction that I'd want to throw. I can "see" a potential throw happening there, if you can catch your opponent in an unbalanced position, and you could just help him continue flowing with gravity using your left knee as a fulcrum. Would this not take ideal conditions to achieve?

[Satori]

The left foot in picture 3 moves in an ashi barai to get to its position in picture 4. Form the gedan barai as soon as the leg shoots out, then as the transition to kiba dachi and zenkutsu dachi, the gedan barai has been "wound up", making a strike to a swept opponent quite strong since we're turning the whole body and generating power from the hips just to make the transition.

[Bloke]

Supergroup you are right - I meant more of a trip using the right leg. As you turn in to the block you should be getting plenty of hip rotation anyway.

[supergroup7]

I must be misunderstanding this trip/throw, Bloke.

When I first read your description I thought that it was grabbing my opponent's right arm ( ?) with my left hand, placing my left knee around his left leg, and then flipping my left arm towards my head in the Gedan Berai "Set" position. This sounds confusing in my attempts just to describe it. The end result would be that my opponent would land on the ground to my right.

Now, I am picturing placing my left knee as a fulcrum behind my opponent's right forward leg, and then using the movement of the Gedan Berai to unbalance him. Here, my opponent would land on the ground to my left.

Have I missed the boat entirely??? I'm pretty good at that.

[supergroup7]

Originally Posted by Satori

The left foot in picture 3 moves in an ashi barai to get to its position in picture 4. Form the gedan barai as soon as the leg shoots out, then as the transition to kiba dachi and zenkutsu dachi, the gedan barai has been "wound up", making a strike to a swept opponent quite strong since we're turning the whole body and generating power from the hips just to make the transition.

I can more clearly understand how the hips, and legs would contribute to the power of that Gedan Berai as you describe the movement here. Thank you Satori.

[supergroup7]

Originally Posted by Martin H

For one bunkai, see the post I made about taikyoku openings
http://www.kyokushin4life.com/forums...ead.php?t=2732

Different kata, but the same move. (esp since taikyoku was created to ease beginners into the pinans, and the pinans was created to ease people into Kanku and Bassai.

I followed this link, and I became lost as I read the explanation due to stepping forwards with my right foot instead of my left. I would still be making a left Gedan berai, but with my right foot forwards? Would that not change all of the body mechanics of my hips, and shoulder, and legs causing a counter rotation? I'm sorry that I am having troubles mentally picturing this bunkai. May I explain what I've understood, and then you can correct me?

My opponent is facing me, and grabs an outside grab ( his left grabbing my right) I step out with my right foot keeping my right hand low, and lifting my left hand in the set position.

"You should now stand at your opponents side, facing the same 90 degrees as in the kata, but getting there slightly differently."

This is where I become lost as to where I am in position to my opponent. I believe that I'm still facing him, but my body has moved forwards, closer, and slightly to my opponent's left side. Would you please guide me as to where I should be so that the rest of the bunkai unfolds better in my mind?