Shuto Mawashi Uke

[tansei]

I've had several different instructions about this bunkai. 1) One is that when you start the technique, you are deflecting a low kick by having both hands together (palm of one hand over top of other), and pushing away the kick. The opponent can then continue on with a chudan, or jodan mawashi, in which case you are prepared to block it when you continue the circular movement keeping your hands together and bring it towards the side of your head. The bunkai continues when you receive a chudan seiken tsuki, you block it with one arm while counter-attacking with a shuto to the collar-bone.

2) another application is that you block a gendan kengeri with a double shotei (palms and hands cupping the shin). Then the continuation of the movement is such that one hand grabs the pant bottom and is pulled towards you while at the same the other is executing the counter-attack as above -- shuto to collar bone.

Any other applications of the shuto mawashi uku that you were taught?

[kakatootoshi]

Dear tansei,
There was a discussion about this technique earlier on. You may be interested in check out this thread:
http://www.kyokushin4life.com/forums...ke-bunkai.html

OSU!

[tansei]

What I am referring to is the shuto technique we learn in the first pinan. What martin is referring to is technique we do at the end of the sanchin kata and other advanced katas.

[Martin H]

I assume you mean Shuto mawashi uke,
Shuto mawashi uke.

not Mae shuto mawashi uke, like in the link kakatootoshi provided
Mae Shuto Mawashi uke

Similar names, different techniques.

actually I would like to know too.
The two bunkai provided has never seemed right to me.

[kakatootoshi]

Dear tansei,
Sorry I was wrong.

OSU!

[tansei]

No problem, easy to get confused. As you can see by the link provided by Martin on "shuto mawashi uke", the person is doing a lower double nukite. I was taught this way as well as double shotei that blocks an incoming lower kick.

Can anyone provide some input based on instructional videos, or seminars that they've attended on what the proper application is for the shuto mawashi uke.

[Paedde]

I was taught it is a grabbing of the leg (for example from a mae geri) and then raise it to let him fall over.

[Bloke]

Thats what I learned Paedde.

[tmd]

I was taught as Paede and Bloke - parry a low kick, grab the leg and lift it above your head then throwing them back, finishing with the shuto to the collar bone. I think the multi block idea also stands. The important point of the move is that it is done in a large ark and touches all four points.

[Aunty Ichigeki]

I've struggled to make sense of this bunkai for years & seen some pretty yukky & unrealistic demonstrations but then I had a play with a technique in one of the Gracie's self defence books that starts with somebody's foot buried in your belly (not ideal but let's face it stranger things happen).

You cup their heel with your right hand & maintain control of it with your left hand. Now here's the critical bit... sink into a strong kokutsu dachi & give their heel a short but strong tug by rotating your upper body & letting their foot 'slip' past your body with your retracted right hand. Rotate your right hand around their heel so your fingers point toward their toes (maintaining control of their foot with your left hand), follow through the circular motion by lifting their foot & throwing them backwards. Be very very careful - if you've given them a good tug they will fly!! Once you get a flow on you will feel the relationship between this, extremely effective, technique & shuto mawashi uke.

[Spirit]

A third sanarial...
deflecting the low kick, shotei (any kick) continue through to the finger stab (to vitals in the thigh or low ab, groin area), followed through with the throw (grabbing of the leg or clothing around the leg and circle up and on their ass, neck, head)

Many possibilities, that can all be used as well many others that have yet to be stated......

[ksan]

logically seen you can also hold the kicking leg (that you blocked) up from the ground at your side with the back hand and push the attacker over backwards with the front hand. So the backhand stays low and only the front hand continue`s the move. This might also explain the end position of both hands.

Osu

[Martin H]

the technique of scooping up a attacking leg, lifting it up and making it into a throw, makes more sense if you allow the front hand "nukite" to go outside of the attacking leg (sor tof a loopsided x-block) and thereby trapping the leg.
It differs from kihon in that the hands are not perfectly lined up, but kihon and bunkai are not always exactly the same.

[anaticula]

Originally Posted by Martin H

the technique of scooping up a attacking leg, lifting it up and making it into a throw, makes more sense if you allow the front hand "nukite" to go outside of the attacking leg (sor tof a loopsided x-block) and thereby trapping the leg.
It differs from kihon in that the hands are not perfectly lined up, but kihon and bunkai are not always exactly the same.

It makes perfect sense with the kata "rule" that touching yourself usually means touching the opponent.

I've been thinking along the lines of first blocking/avoiding a punch while going under the guard, grabbing the head and twisting it upward/backwards during the forward motion. If i recall correctly, this should be similar to what you can find in Okinawan ti, with the wave-like motion. Sure, I lose contact between my hands here, but the movement seems quite close. I have to find me some volunteers for practice

[BigAl]

Iain Abernethy had a great bunkai for shuto mawashi uke in his DVD "Combat Drills" that I really like. I don't want to describe it in detail (the man does need to make money after all and there could be a copyright thing with it), but it involves a grab and the technique being an offensive strike more than a block. I haven't gotten to try it out yet, but it looks pretty practical to me.

[mcuz]

Here is another one

Opponent attacks with chudan mae geri. the initial block and retraction in the technique are hikite to the leg. You grab and yank the leg while stepping (or sliding) back so that the person is pulled forward. If you do this and step back while doing it, then it becomes a takedown (they end up doing a front split - hope their flexibility is good!)

Also, You could also pull them forward and then follow through and perform shuto uke to the throat rather than the collar bone. Quite a good effect since they are moving into the strike.

[meguro]

I found this

You Tube

an interesting and persuasive explanation of mawashi uke. It's a little over 4 min. vid. Sit through the jodan uke portion and you'll be rewarded

[jcc]

Osu!

Interesting video. Thanks for posting.

Osu!

[Dent]

Osu!

It isn't that often that I find so much to disagree with in a video, Meguro! Thanks for posting!

I like the simple counter to a grab to apply the Shuto Mawashi Uke. All the other stuff is too complicated for a slow lad like me.

Osu!

[Martin H]

Originally Posted by meguro

I found thisYouTube - Mawashi uke - goju's "rising block"? an interesting and persuasive explanation of mawashi uke. It's a little over 4 min. vid. Sit through the jodan uke portion and you'll be rewarded

Its a explanation for "mae shuto mawashi uke", not for "shuto mawshi uke" (see the first few posts in the thread). But its is interesting. I dont agree with it, but it does raise some good points.