Training both judo and kyokushin

[Paedde]

I'm thinking about joining a judo/jj class beside kyokushin, do you think that will get in conflict with my kyokushin?

The training days would fit perfectly to fill up my week

(should I open a new thread for this subject?)

[Martin H]

Originally Posted by Paedde

I'm thinking about joining a judo/jj class beside kyokushin, do you think that will get in conflict with my kyokushin?

The training days would fit perfectly to fill up my week

two words: "do it"
Judo is a great compliment to kyokushin, and most of the legends had more than a little judo training.

Originally Posted by Paedde

(should I open a new thread for this subject?)

Ill split it out.

[Paedde]

Thank you

What is the difference between Judo and Ju-Jitsu?
I know more or less what Judo is about, is Ju-Jitsu something similiar?

[Martin H]

that depends on the type of Jujutsu (or whichever alternate spelling you prefer)

Brazilian jujutsu is very focused on grappling and submission on the floor.

Trad japanese jujutsu is so rare it is almost never found even in japan. The few schools vary greatly, and you can find anything in them up to and including swords. They dont belive in competition or free sparring, though.
Here you can expect stuff like learning a throw created specifically to throw a opponent wearing a 1600 century style battlefield armor. The armor mayy be long gone, but the tradition of teaching the throw remains.

"modern" jujutsu usually tries to market themselves as trad or japanese jujutsu. But if you check them out, they are a european/US attempt to recreate it by mixing judo, aikido and adding a bit karate.
They tend to focus a lot on joint manipulation, finger locks but it is really hard to say. some are closer to judo, some are closer to aikido.
Sadly, most are McDojos.

Juudo focus a LOT on throws. Body throws. leg throws. shoulder throws and footsweeps. You should also expect good ammount of grappling on the floor if it is a traditional judo dojo. A olympic focused judo dojo may neglect that since it is very seldom used (due to referees that almost always breaks the fighters apart as soon as they hit the ground, scoring points for throws only) in olympic judo.

[niceguy]

Paedde,
My Sensei brings in a judo expert once a while for grappling and ground work. When it come to self defense lots of fights involve pushing and tugging and ending on the floor so it helps a lot.

[ksan]

I agree with niceguy and MartinH, I also crosstrain and it has help me develop in areas in my karate that were underdeveloped.. so all i can say, pick something that suits you and that compliments your karate...

Osu

[andy83]

If you like judo and kyokushin, you can take information about Jon Bluming's Kyokushin Budokai.

[Brazilian Berseker]

Thank you

What is the difference between Judo and Ju-Jitsu?
I know more or less what Judo is about, is Ju-Jitsu something similiar?

Dear Paedde

Judo came from several different Ju jutsu styles that were studied by Jigoro Kano. Kano was interested in turning Ju jutsu into a sport and a way to develop the character of the students. Therefore he created Judo as a sport and a way of life. Jujutsu is a martial art, and actually is a dying art, because many of the ancyent knowledge is lost and most of the ju jutsu today are mac dojos.(makes me sad, but it's true).
Brazilian Jiu Jitsu also came from Jujutsu when in the beginning of the 20º century Mitsuyo Maeda a ju jutsu and judo expert came to Brazil (at that time Brazil received LOTS of japanese immigrants - wich was very good for the martial arts in here), and started to teach Carlos Gracie and Helio Gracie. Both of them started to develop a new system based on qhat they have learned from Maeda, and developed specially ground work (but BJJ has also strikes and takedowns). While Kano focuzed on the courtesy and sportmanship, the Gracies focused in eficiency for fighting.

Long story short:

Jujutsu: Japanese martial art, very eficient and ancient, but almost dead since the 20º century (unfortunately)
Judo: Japanese sport, develops the patience, courtesy, also quite efective in a real combat. Focuzed in takedowns. Very popular sport in Holland, France , Japan (of couse), Brazil, Cuba.
Brazilian Jiujitsu: Brazilian martial art derived from a a japanese martial art. Very efective for self defense (if practiced with a striking art as kyokushin, Muay thai etc). Focused on ground work. Very popular in Brazil, and growing fast in other countries, specially in US.

Well I hope I helped a litle bit. I think all 3 of them are great....but still prefer Kyokushin....heheheh

[Tameshigiri]

I told my students to focus in one art first got a 1st kyu or SHodan...then go for another art.

Even that, it is an excellent combnation, go for it.

I do Jiujitsu in the morning and teach/train Karate in the evening time, also IAI-DO on Sunday I didn't find KYUDO in Miami I belive this 4 arts are good compliments.

Good luck.

[GSeven]

Kano was interested in turning Ju jutsu into a sport and a way to develop the character of the students.

Hi,

Kano's intention was not to develop a sport, but he wanted to simplify ju jutsu techniques he learned before. His intention was a system, that can be used by anyone, not depending on the power of oneself, but to use the opponents strength for yourself.

[Paedde]

Originally Posted by Tameshigiri

I told my students to focus in one art first got a 1st kyu or SHodan...then go for another art.

Yes I know that, but I was told that it is not usual to get a black belt under 8 years kyokushin here, and then I would be at least 27 and if I want fight in a MMA-Style Tournament, I think it's to late

I just found out that the school is in another city with the same name as mine... Have to look for another dojo

[Brazilian Berseker]

Kano's intention was not to develop a sport, but he wanted to simplify ju jutsu techniques he learned before. His intention was a system, that can be used by anyone, not depending on the power of oneself, but to use the opponents strength for yourself.

GSeven

Hello. I do not intend to be " the owner of all truth" I'm just expressing my point of view and trying to help in this forum using the knowledge that I have ( I admitt that like everyone else, I have a lot to learn), therefore I respect your point of view and I think it is quite good. I was just telling others what I was told when I trainned Judo and BJJ. It´s impossible to know exactly what Kano intended because I did not (and neither didi you) meet Kano in person, because he's dead for long now.
Excuse me for my ignorance, that was only my point of view. Allow me to quote Voltaire (the French philosopher).

What is tolerance? It is the consequence of humanity. We are all formed of frailty and error; let us pardon reciprocally each other's folly — that is the first law of nature.

Qu’est-ce que la tolérance? c’est l’apanage de l’humanité. Nous sommes tous pétris de faiblesses et d’erreurs; pardonnons-nous réciproquement nos sottises, c’est la première loi de la nature.

Thanks again for the chance to debate.

[GSeven]

@ Brazilian Berserker:

My intention was not to attack you, sorry if my statement sounded for you in that way. But wouldn't it be a strange intention to develop a killing "sport"? In fact, in those days some judokas died.

[Sonik]

I train in Kyokushin Karate/Kickboxing and Ju-jutsu (although not so frequently now because of my job). But Judo is also fine to refine your self defense arsenal.

[hasbeen]

my first instuctor was at the time a 4th dan at kyokushin and i believe a 3rd dan at judo,the benefit for me was amazing....the sweep technique might not score very often but when you do put somebody down with it it does make them think,especially if you are training in a dojo witout any mats..if i was sparring with anybody who happend to be a bit better than me,away from my home dojo and they were a bit too "keen" with there sparring,this was my attempted reply.
so i have to say in my opinion it can`t do you any harm,so if it fills your week ..go for it, osu!!

[sonofkanga]

Absolutely
go for it.
We train in KK and supplement with traditional Judo and Boxing.
If you can train under a good ground work trainer you are really in for something special.
My Judo Sensei`s Tachi Waza page
Ne WazaBudokan
My Sensei`s Sensei:Isao OkanoYouTube - Isao Okano - Okuri Eri Jime

[RJC]

Personally, I have always wanted to see a tournament combine Judo with Knockdown. I realize that the admistrative tasks regarding rules etc... would be difficult. I saw a youtube clip of something like this in Poland as Jutitsu-Full contact. It was some of the most educating transitional fighting I have watched.

[Kris]

Originally Posted by RJC

Personally, I have always wanted to see a tournament combine Judo with Knockdown.

It exists in the form of Daido Juku or Zendokai for example.

Revver » Nagano Zendokai Tournament2

[RJC]

Nice vid Kris. This looks like something I would like to have a go at. I tried a lesson at ZDK Canterbury but I never saw their tournaments.

[SHIDOKANATLANTA]

many knockdown styles combine judo/grappling with knockdown: ashihara, enshin, kudo, shidokan, and most styles using koshiki gear. the ability to combine throwing with striking is an art in of itself. it is great for self defense, as people will have clothes and knowing how to use the close to off balance and throw or sweep will come in handy in such situations.