kyoshin karate

[someguy]

Im 14 yrs old and my parents told me i have a choice between MMA,ninjitsu,jujitsu,and kyokushin karate.For some reason i im a little more intrested in kyoshin karate (quite possibly because of its cool name) but when looking for information on kyoshin all i get is its history.I have come here to ask the people that love this practice the most a few questions.Do the things you learn in kyoshin karate help in real fights? Do you grapple at all? Do you recommend i start off in shotokan first? Polite and honest replies will be greatly appreciatied.

[Paedde]

Welcome on K4L.

Kyokushin Karate helps you not to get in fights, I never had one since I started training. But from my experience in crosstraining, it is a really good martial art who can hold it's own on standup, even if we don't punch to the head in training. You can have some problems against a well trained Thaiboxer if you don't train headpunches. But you won't see well trained thaiboxers jump on you on the street. If anyone, then some untrained guy who shouln't be a problem to handle when you're trained in any good martial art.

We don't grapple in kyokushin, but for selfdefence the same reason as above, and you don't want to go to the ground in self defence because you never know if the guy who jumped on you don't has any friends nearby...

I wouldn't recommend to join an MMA school, even more at your age. From my experience the people do a lot but nothing really good (Except of course if you find a school with good Muay Thai and Brazilian Jiu Jitsu trainers). If you will get interested in MMA later (as myself), you can still add some BJJ and maybe some Boxing training and you will be fine.

I don't want to be disrespectful, but you won't find a real Ninjitsu school, it's 99% of the time a MC Dojo which wants do get money with the name of the Ninjas...

Japanese Jiu Jitsu depends on the school. There are some who do a lot of useless stuff and they learn so many things that you won't know what yo can use in the end. But on the other hand, at least in eastern europe, there are some JJ tournaments with MMA rules, just in Gi. They even look better than a lot MMA amateurs.

I would recommend you check the Kyokushin, MMA and Jujitsu school out, try one or more classes at every place and then decide.

I hope the answer was more or less neutral and not too much pro kyokushin But of course we all would be happy if you join the family. It will also get you in the right state of mind and you will learn the work ethic to be succesfull in anything, martial arts or life.

[supergroup7]

I wouldn't suggest starting off in one Martial Art with the thought that I'd be going to a different one soon.. If you train in an art, you should give your time, energy, and focus to that Art so that you can learn the lessons in it.

I know that I have a great amount of respect for anyone who trains in Martial Arts with a deep dedication, and consistency.

Kyokushin Karate, for me, includes so many elements from all of the various styles that it allows me to understand more than just kicking/punching. The various techniques that are in our kata reveals so many self-defense possibilities that it is nearly endless.

I would recommend that you follow the path that you are most interested in that way you will find it easy to motivate yourself to train. I wish you the best in your future.

[Brazilian Berseker]

To be honest with you: Kyoshin does not exist, it's kyokushin. Kyokushin is great, BJJ is great, Ninjutsu (if not in a MCdojo) is great, some japanese jujutsu are great, boxing is great, MMA is great, savate is great, aikido is great, capoeira is great...........well every martial art taken seriously are great. just do yourself a favour, do not start a martial art just because the name sounds cool (like you said before).......
Martial art is something serious, painful, hard to do...therefore go to some classes ....study your options and try the MA that most pleases you. But forget about the "cool name" , please I beg you as a Martial Artist, respect what we do.

[someguy]

Originally Posted by Paedde

Welcome on K4L.

Kyokushin Karate helps you not to get in fights, I never had one since I started training. But from my experience in crosstraining, it is a really good martial art who can hold it's own on standup, even if we don't punch to the head in training. You can have some problems against a well trained Thaiboxer if you don't train headpunches. But you won't see well trained thaiboxers jump on you on the street. If anyone, then some untrained guy who shouln't be a problem to handle when you're trained in any good martial art.

We don't grapple in kyokushin, but for selfdefence the same reason as above, and you don't want to go to the ground in self defence because you never know if the guy who jumped on you don't has any friends nearby...

I wouldn't recommend to join an MMA school, even more at your age. From my experience the people do a lot but nothing really good (Except of course if you find a school with good Muay Thai and Brazilian Jiu Jitsu trainers). If you will get interested in MMA later (as myself), you can still add some BJJ and maybe some Boxing training and you will be fine.

I don't want to be disrespectful, but you won't find a real Ninjitsu school, it's 99% of the time a MC Dojo which wants do get money with the name of the Ninjas...

Japanese Jiu Jitsu depends on the school. There are some who do a lot of useless stuff and they learn so many things that you won't know what yo can use in the end. But on the other hand, at least in eastern europe, there are some JJ tournaments with MMA rules, just in Gi. They even look better than a lot MMA amateurs.

I would recommend you check the Kyokushin, MMA and Jujitsu school out, try one or more classes at every place and then decide.

I hope the answer was more or less neutral and not too much pro kyokushin But of course we all would be happy if you join the family. It will also get you in the right state of mind and you will learn the work ethic to be succesfull in anything, martial arts or life.

ARE YOU SERIOUS?!!? they have fraud dojos,thats low......

and why dont you practice head punches?

Originally Posted by supergroup7

I wouldn't suggest starting off in one Martial Art with the thought that I'd be going to a different one soon.. If you train in an art, you should give your time, energy, and focus to that Art so that you can learn the lessons in it.

I know that I have a great amount of respect for anyone who trains in Martial Arts with a deep dedication, and consistency.

Kyokushin Karate, for me, includes so many elements from all of the various styles that it allows me to understand more than just kicking/punching. The various techniques that are in our kata reveals so many self-defense possibilities that it is nearly endless.

I would recommend that you follow the path that you are most interested in that way you will find it easy to motivate yourself to train. I wish you the best in your future.

thats the problem im intrested in them all

Originally Posted by Brazilian Berseker

To be honest with you: Kyoshin does not exist, it's kyokushin. Kyokushin is great, BJJ is great, Ninjutsu (if not in a MCdojo) is great, some japanese jujutsu are great, boxing is great, MMA is great, savate is great, aikido is great, capoeira is great...........well every martial art taken seriously are great. just do yourself a favour, do not start a martial art just because the name sounds cool (like you said before).......
Martial art is something serious, painful, hard to do...therefore go to some classes ....study your options and try the MA that most pleases you. But forget about the "cool name" , please I beg you as a Martial Artist, respect what we do.

Well if you read my edit you would see that was a typo i meant to spell it the right way.The name thing,well sorry if a practice has a kick-ass name that i happened to notice.you seem pretty uptight and stuck up about what you do,who said i dont respect what you do.i think you need to fall back...

[smoothsake]

Originally Posted by someguy

Do the things you learn in kyoshin karate help in real fights? Do you grapple at all? Do you recommend i start off in shotokan first?

Kyokushin Karate is a very practical striking art that will prepare you for a real fight. You will learn how to throw a punch and learn how to take one. Kumite, or sparring, is essential to understanding the art and very few arts allow free sparring to the degree of intensity that you will find in a true Kyokushin dojo.

No we don't grapple at all - at least not in my dojo. We do some joint manipulation for self defense but that's about it. If you want you can later supplement some grappling by doing another art (bjj, judo, jujutsu, wrestling, etc.)

No I don't recommend doing shotokan first. They are pretty different and you will learn some habits that will not convert to Kyokushin.

Good luck.

[Angelslayer]

they dont allow punches to the face since its bare knuckle heres some videos maybe to give you an example as to what kyokushin is like

You Tube

You Tube

[Brazilian Berseker]

Sorry someguy, You are allowed to think whatever you want about me. But tha fact is, I'm doing Martial arts since you were not born yet. I've practiced many martial arts and I have respect for all, and I have most respect for those who do it seriously. I'm just sick of people that come to a Dojo just because they have seen the latest UFC, or the latest ass kicking movie. Martial arts are MUCH more than that and I'm pretty sure they are MUCH more than a "cool name". I'm not sayng that you should not do martial arts, I'm saying that in fact you shoud go for it. However, you shoud be prepared for lots of pain, hard work, and no shortcuts. Forget the name, the name is nothing, kyokushin sounds cool?....Well sure it sounds very cool and I like it. But do not practice something just because has a cool name and comes from a distant and misterious foreign land.....You want a cool name?....Many styles have it: Goju ryu, wing chun, savate, judo, capoeira, Tae kwon do, tang soo do, hap ki do, viet do dao, choy lee fut, hung gar, kali, sambo, tong long, uechi ryu, to de, muay boran, lethwey, kempo, jeet kune do, luta de pau, escrima, kickboxing, systema, daido juku, shidokan, .......see that's probaly less than 0,1% of the many martial arts in the world.....and all of then have cool names. Do you think that I'm being rough on you?...step in a serious Dojo, people will be much worst. I don't mean to provoke you, or just be an "smart ass", I just want you to be a little more mature about Martial Arts.
I sincerely desire to you luck on your personal journey throught the way of martial arts.

[powerof0ne]

Listen here, "someguy", go train, get some roots and form your opinion on what you like. Thinking something is "cool" is fine and there are a lot of good martial arts and bad ones(bad schools/instructors). Don't play hop scotch with martial arts, get at least a shodan/1st degree black belt level in one before you jump around, get some ROOTS. Kyokushin could be awesome for you, Genbukan or Bujinkan ninjitsu could be awesome, muay thai, vovinam, aikijujutsu, brazilian jiu jitsu, kosen judo, hung gar, etc. could be good for you but you will never know until you start..so start already.

[BigAl]

Originally Posted by supergroup7

I wouldn't suggest starting off in one Martial Art with the thought that I'd be going to a different one soon.. If you train in an art, you should give your time, energy, and focus to that Art so that you can learn the lessons in it.

This is good advice. Speaking from a personal experience, trying to study more than one martial art at a time hinders your growth severely in both. It's best to concentrate entirely on one until you feel you have a decent grasp on things (I would say shodan level at the minimum) before you think of supplementing your training. This way you actually have a foundation to build on.

[someguy]

Originally Posted by Brazilian Berseker

Sorry someguy, You are allowed to think whatever you want about me. But tha fact is, I'm doing Martial arts since you were not born yet. I've practiced many martial arts and I have respect for all, and I have most respect for those who do it seriously. I'm just sick of people that come to a Dojo just because they have seen the latest UFC, or the latest ass kicking movie. Martial arts are MUCH more than that and I'm pretty sure they are MUCH more than a "cool name". I'm not sayng that you should not do martial arts, I'm saying that in fact you shoud go for it. However, you shoud be prepared for lots of pain, hard work, and no shortcuts. Forget the name, the name is nothing, kyokushin sounds cool?....Well sure it sounds very cool and I like it. But do not practice something just because has a cool name and comes from a distant and misterious foreign land.....You want a cool name?....Many styles have it: Goju ryu, wing chun, savate, judo, capoeira, Tae kwon do, tang soo do, hap ki do, viet do dao, choy lee fut, hung gar, kali, sambo, tong long, uechi ryu, to de, muay boran, lethwey, kempo, jeet kune do, luta de pau, escrima, kickboxing, systema, daido juku, shidokan, .......see that's probaly less than 0,1% of the many martial arts in the world.....and all of then have cool names. Do you think that I'm being rough on you?...step in a serious Dojo, people will be much worst. I don't mean to provoke you, or just be an "smart ass", I just want you to be a little more mature about Martial Arts.
I sincerely desire to you luck on your personal journey throught the way of martial arts.

i think you totally misunderstand,you misunderstand my post and most of all misunderstand me.i didnt mean to come off as shallow because im not. i JUST SAID it had a cool name but i would never join just based off the name (nor do i follow fads) that was just something i wanted to add in there (would have thought someone would have if nothing seen it as a compliment)

power- my scorpio nature wouldnt allow my to "hop-scotch" through dojo's i grow attached pretty easily and always want to see things through.i asked for background info on a specific art so your post telling me to just get out their is somewhat useless.im really thinking doing kyokushin or jujitsu.btw whats the diffence between BBJ and regular?

[schuyler]

Dude, type the this into Google: "what's the difference between BJJ and JJ".

[Shamo]

Personally Someguy, I think that whatever get's you inside the dojo, is fair game, it's what you do once in there that defines what type of martial artist you will be. BTW, despite being a BIG K-1 fan, what really sold me on Kyokushin was a manga I became addicted to... Shamo, check it out some time.

Originally Posted by someguy

btw whats the diffence between BBJ and regular?

As for your question, the difference between Japanese Jui-jitsu and BJJ is that BJJ is a much more simplified and battle efficient version of the art of the Samurai. Tradition JJ evolved into many things, even to the point of developing stand up striking in some schools, but it's 2 main offsprings remain Judo and BJJ.

[tmd]

What is in your area?

What are the instructors like?

What facilities do the dojos have?

Do they have any tournaments for your age group?

These are the questions you should research as they are much more important than what is better Kyokushin or Jujitsu (BBJ is just a name for an off shoot of an original concept by a particular Shihan just as Kyokushin is Karate but not like Shotokan, there is no regular Jujitsu as such just as there is no 'karate', I studied Kempo Jujitsu which was great but was it authentic? I don't know, what I do know is it worked for me just as Kyokushin works for me - but I tried several others Martial Arts that did not, mostly down to the dojo/ Sensei, not the style.

[Dent]

Osu!

Originally Posted by Shamo

As for your question, the difference between Japanese Jui-jitsu and BJJ is that BJJ is a much more simplified and battle efficient version of the art of the Samurai.

Sorry, Shamo, but I can't agree with this. I don't know how much actual battle testing BJJ has undergone, but traditional JJJ is all about the battlefield. Now, if you were to differentiate based on sport/street vs pre-1800 Japanese battlefield, I'd support that position.

Osu!

[James]

I second that one dent

lol at the thought of a battlefield full of samurai all rolling around doing BJJ!

[tmd]

I don't think he meant 'battle field as in battle field - I think what he was implying is that 'traditional?$' Jujitsu has a lot of unusable baggage where as BBJ is only the stuff that works 'on the street' (he he) - don't agree with this but still don't think he meant he was off to Afghanistan to try and armbar the Taliban.

[sandman]

I agree with several of the others who basically said there is no one right answer to your question - depends on what you are interested in. Are you more interested in grappling or striking? If striking, then kyokushin or other karate styles will be great. If grappling, then jiu jitsu is a good way to go. Its all personal preference, and the quality of your experience also really depends on the quality of the instructor / dojo wherever you study. You will also probably find that in many karate dojos, while the focus is on kicking / punching / blocking etc, there may be some attention given to grappling as a supplement to your training, but not be at the core of your training. Some karate dojos do that, some don't - you don't know until you check them out, really.

I also fall in with the idea that MMA is probably not a great place to start martial arts training. Most of the more successful MMA guys start with a solid background in one discipline, like GSP in kyokushin or BJ Penn in bjj, then once they had a really solid foundation in their first art, they began filling in gaps with training in other disciplines. In my experience it is already difficult enough to develop any level of mastery of one discipline, let alone if you are trying to learn several at once. In karate you have to train sparring, kata, kihon, self defense, strength and conditioning, etc... its hard to find enough time to train all of that already without throwing in the grappling (and vice versa).

In a nutshell, you have to go with your instinct which one you will like better. The advice to try a class or two in various styles is a good one. Make sure you consider the quality of the instructor in your decision - you have to develop a gut feel. Then once you choose, be prepared to commit 100% to your new art. If you truly commit and dedicate yourself to the art you've chosen, you will have made the right decision regardless of which martial art you picked.