Shotokan Katas and kyokushin..

[nzproud]

2 different styles of karate, but some katas are somewhat quite similar.
I havn't actually seen shotokan katas for a while but I quite liked how they did their kata compared to kyokushin katas.

Discuss..

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Kata Bassai Dai

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[Spirit]

I have been training directly with Shotokan people for over 30 years (direct training with Japanese instructor who was a student of Obata who was Funakoshi senior student. Obata is the tail guy in Funakoshi's books)

I often see great deals of differences how they do, teach the kata among the japanese instructors. One thing I do notice is they continue to take the idea that kata should always change and evolve and they do change the katas often as needed, unlike the JKA shtokan.

nzproud, Do you know the Kyokushin version of, Bassai Dai, and Kanku Sho katas???

[orisha66]

Originally Posted by jap man

One thing I do notice is they continue to take the idea that kata should always change and evolve and they do change the katas often as needed, unlike the JKA shtokan.

After leaving NY and the kyokushinkai in the mid 80's, i became a member of the JKA/ISKF. The JKA has always standardized their kata but each Sensei has their own feeling the way they teach the kata. Each organization has their own way. You can tell by their kata which organization the deshi is from by the way they do their kata. Shotokan is concidered a modern karate, and in that text, it leaves room for change. While I was a member of the JKA there was always a change on theory, not often but at the monthly trainings there was always talk of theory changes. Now the Shotokai sort of stay with the old way of Funakoshi's teachings.

It is the same with the Kyokushin from what i see. When i was with Shihan Oliver, we performed kata different from what i see today with the Matsui clan. Kata seemed more explosive the way we performed them in the 70's and 80's.

[chen3141]

I come from a NKF shotokan dojo, I disagree personally with their idea of "kumite" and the way they judge kata, but I do agree with my sensei's ideals.
He is more of a bunkai/application of kata, and agrees it should change as the times. But where he and I agree is how the aesthetic appeals used to judge are warping the original intent (self-defense).

Compare Luca Valdesi a decorated competition kata practitioner's kata.


To my idol, Kanazawa's kata


No doubt Luca's kata is very quick and pleasing, I think that some of the meanings are changing too dramatically

*side rant*
Point sparring is nothing like a fight, too many people who are good at point sparring think that it'll transfer on. Soon the sport aspect will overcome the martial. Hopefully though, enough people will realize the necessity for knockout in actual application and practical purposes