yantsu kata help

[dethhead]

osu!
hi everyone i recently learned yantsu kata but i was only taught it for 10 minutes or so. anyway i wrote down as much as i can remember and if you guys could help out and tell me whats right and wrong that would be great.

1. morote jodan haito uchi
2. jodan morote tsuki
3. migi seiken mawashi tsuki
4. hidari seiken mawashi tsuki
5. migi shotei chudan uchi
6. hidari shotei chudan uchi
7. something i dont know but you raise your hands up then thrust them out to your sides.
8. zen stance, right punch
9. back leaning stance, koken sotei
10. zen stance, left punch
11. back leaning stance, koken sotei
12. turn to right, wait 5 seconds
13. zen stance, right low punch
14. upper punch, middle punch, kiai
15. ushiro mae geri
16. back leaning stance, shuto uchi uke
17. koken sotei
18. turn to left, wait 5 seconds
19. zen stance, low left punch
20. upper punch, middle punch, kiai
21. ushiro mae geri
22. back leaning stance, shuto uchi uke
23. koken sotei

are they all the techniques? i had to search the net to find the names of some of them since it was the first time ive done some of those techniques.

any help would be great.

osu!

[StarKodama]

Yantsu's tough. Watching the video of it on YouTube helped me memorize the order of the moves, but I have a long way to go yet before I'll be able to do it as well as my senpai. :/

Anyway, the video's a good start, but nothing beats having your senpai actually teach it to you. ;D

YouTube - Yantsu Kyokushinkai kata

[Spirit]

why don't you just wait till next time you are taught it in the dojo...
the vidio, could be a lot different than that of how your sensei teaches it and you could create bad habits from it as well

[seienchin]

dethhead,
I commend your enthusiasm, but whoa...slow down.
You simply cannot learn a kata by the list of techniques. What about all the other stuff that goes into a kata...the stances, the directions, the tempo, the breathing, the rhythms, the bunkai...

If you just memorize a list of movements, you are wasting your time and may as well be in an aerobics class, because what you are doing is not karate.

Yantsu is a fabulous kata. It is one my favourites to perform in competition, even tho it is a low-kyu kata, because of the eplosive power you can generate with well-executed hand movements.

A very useful rule for your karate training is....learn it right the first time. And at the risk of sounding like a walking cliche, remember "only perfect practice makes perfect".

So, I agree completely with jap-man. Go back to your instructor, and ask to go through it again...and again...and again. Don't risk embedding the wrong thing. As an instructor, there are few things more frustrating than a student who has rushed ahead and taught themselves the wrong things.

If you can only work on it for 10 minutes at a time, then do 3 movements PERFECTLY, instead of 20 movements, poorly executed, adn poorly remembered. You have the rest of you life to enjoy the beauty of this kata when it is perfected. There is no rush.

[Billy no mates]

Originally Posted by dethhead

are they all the techniques? i had to search the net to find the names of some of them since it was the first time ive done some of those techniques.

any help would be great.

osu!

While its a very a good idea to make notes after a class(its something ive got lazy about,must start doing it again)i dont think its to helpful unless your going to note things like tension,focus,timing breathing patterns on certain techniques or sequences of techniques within the Kata which will only really come to you after more tuition and practice .

[dethhead]

osu!
thanks for everyones reply.

thanks for the video. it looks exactly like what i was taught. though my main reason for posting this thread was because i didnt know if some of those stances were cat stance or back leaning stance. as well as that movement when you thrust your wrist down then slowly bring it up and around. as well as if shuto uchi uke is used.
if anyone could answer those questions that would be great.

Originally Posted by seienchin

dethhead,
You simply cannot learn a kata by the list of techniques. What about all the other stuff that goes into a kata...the stances, the directions, the tempo, the breathing, the rhythms, the bunkai...

i put down the things you listed above in my original post.

thanks again for everyones reply. i will do my best next time im at the dojo to learn from my sempais.

osu!

[seienchin]

dethhead,
I can't see any mention of tempo, rhythm, breathing or bunkai in your original post...and these are critical parts of yantsu, because there is so little by way of directional change or big sweeping movements. Teh other critical question you have not listed is how you get between the stances...do you move your rigth foot, or left...does it go in front of the other or behind...do you turn clockwise or anti-clockwise. A kata is not a list of stances and punches/kicks/blocks. It is a dynamic, moving "dance" that teaches your body how to respond in kumite or self-defence. I accept that stances and punches are the scaffolding that the rest of it hangs off, but Yantsu is a kata where much of the power comes from appropriate variations in tempo, and good use of visualisation and focus. I hope the video helps you, but, at risk of sounding like a broken record (or DVD), it can't replace a lesson with a real live isntructor. slow down and use those precious ten minutes to make crackling lightening around 3 or 4 bits of brilliance, then the next 10 minutes you can snaffle - another 3 or 4 bits of perfection...and so it goes.

[Spirit]

Also Power and mind set.....
Kata is personal once you understand it.
And I don't mean being able to do it without a mistake.
If you see person do Kata and they do the whole kata without mistake well you say, hey they know that kata. Then you see a person do a "kata" that is done by doing it from within, no mind no thought, just exacution of the moves to the fullest, you see a different kata, thats when your eye glaze over, and you push your jaw back up and mumble wow!!!
You feel the power, every punch, kick, & block from across the room. The kiai causes you to bleed do to the spirit and power it holds.
That is a kata...
No post on the moves or verbal explaination can assist you in any way to learn kata or karate for that matter as experiancing it first hand.

Though personal explainations from your instructor insire you to drive yourself harder to improve!!!

[seienchin]

Jap-man. I think you just disproved your own posting, that words have no spirit. You just gave me goose-bumps.

[Spirit]

I'll keep quite on that one.................

[supergroup7]

Then you see a person do a "kata" that is done by doing it from within, no mind no thought, just exacution of the moves to the fullest, you see a different kata, thats when your eye glaze over, and you push your jaw back up and mumble wow!!!
You feel the power, every punch, kick, & block from across the room. The kiai causes you to bleed do to the spirit and power it holds.
That is a kata...

Amen! Amen! Let the people say AMEN!

I agree totally with what you have just said, and I have to admit that this experience of watching someone perform kata in such a manner is what has inspired me to start karate, fuels me as I train in karate, and is my goal in karate.

[martelo]

Better ask yout Sensei,
Osu!

[Raii]

Originally Posted by Spirit

If you see person do Kata and they do the whole kata without mistake well you say, hey they know that kata. Then you see a person do a "kata" that is done by doing it from within, no mind no thought, just exacution of the moves to the fullest, you see a different kata, thats when your eye glaze over, and you push your jaw back up and mumble wow!!!
You feel the power, every punch, kick, & block from across the room. The kiai causes you to bleed do to the spirit and power it holds.
That is a kata...

Wow. Truly inspiring, beautiful and so true. I have nothing to say, except
Osu! Thank you for the inspiration!

[Dizrythmia]

Originally Posted by dethhead

osu!
12. turn to right, wait 5 seconds

This part is new to me. I was taught to only turn on what you would call move 18. As everyone said there are key elements to be taught along with the moves. I was taught was to turn around in a 180, & to pound your chest hard as you do it to get the adrenalin flowing. I THINK it was to hit your adrenalin gland to ensure the kata continues in its explosive manner.

I'm no good at biology so I don't know where the adrenalin gland actually is, but I learned it a long time ago & the memory is a bit fuzzy.

[bitterbut]

would it not be best to wait and get further info from those that teach you???

[Tameshigiri]

I'm agree with WAIT FOR YOUR SENSEI....

I heard before from cohais I saw in YOUTUBE...

But they forgot the most important think wen you do KATAS.

KIME.

KIHON.

BUNKAI.

ZANCSHIN.

MESSEN.

IBUKI.

Again wait for your Sensei.

OSU.

[Dent]

Osu!

Originally Posted by Dizrythmia

This part is new to me. I was taught to only turn on what you would call move 18. As everyone said there are key elements to be taught along with the moves. I was taught was to turn around in a 180, & to pound your chest hard as you do it to get the adrenalin flowing. I THINK it was to hit your adrenalin gland to ensure the kata continues in its explosive manner.

I'm no good at biology so I don't know where the adrenalin gland actually is, but I learned it a long time ago & the memory is a bit fuzzy.

This is something I haven't heard before. Why would you want additional adrenalin for Kata training? (Bit like revving the engine way high, but trying to travel in second...)

Osu!

[Dizrythmia]

Originally Posted by Dent

Osu!



This is something I haven't heard before. Why would you want additional adrenalin for Kata training? (Bit like revving the engine way high, but trying to travel in second...)

Osu!

I was told it was because it is such an explosive kata. Over the years other people have told me the kata is to be performed in 1 breath, so like everything I assume it's open to interpretation

[Dent]

Osu!

Another one I haven't heard before. How are you supposed to Kiai? (Visions of some frog-like breathing. )

Osu!

[ksan]

Yantsu is a kata normally learned when approaching shodan level ... by that time you should have a very thourough understanding of how to train yourself. Kata is learned step by step (like walking). I love your enthusiasm but take it one step at a time. Writing it down is good (i used to do that aswell). Wait for your next class... and if your sensei doesnt do it in the lesson, ask him to help you go through it after class, or one of your sempai`s.

Personally i would advise to work at home at stuff you already master or nearly master.... if you teach yourself something new in a wrong way, your sensei will have a hard time getting it out of you, before he can start woking on doing it right...

osu