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Japan's Kickboxing.
By Kid McCoy over sherdog,
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Here is a story conitnued.
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This is Part 3,
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Thanks for the info NZProud - very informative.
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All in all a pretty good summary even if it as usual is more a "muaythai in japan history" than a "kickboxing in japan history".
I do note a few errors , like "But in early 1966, three fairly good Muay Thai stadium fighters were brought over to Japan to fight against 3 Japanese Kickbxers from Oyama dojo". wrong year and it was the japanese who went to thailand and the Lumpini stadium. and it was not japanese kickboxers, it was kyokushin karate fighters. also there is some anachronisms like mentioning kurosaki studying thaiboxing "extensively" first and then mentioning the above fights, giving the impression that it was japanese thaiboxers (or atleast fighters heavily influenced by thaiboxing) who won. Stuff like that. And mentioning Funakoshi as the "inventor of karate" is a very wrong. But afterall it is not a karate history, so Ill let that slide. but other than that it is a pretty good summary.
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A much larger and i think more accurate HISTORY OF KICK BOXING
you can find here : http://www.mikemiles.com click the people ,than click celebrity interviews ,than click history of kick boxing. Osu
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Martin H, OSU! That's why you have the best Kyokushin forum on the internet. You make sure to present only the most accurate information. Alot of times information gets mixed up in translation, and then at other times it's just rumors presented as fact. I appreciate you clearing up the inaccurate information on the history of kickboxing in Japan thread here. Shihan Kurosaki respected Muay Thai for what it was. He knew he could study from it to exceed it. The Kickboxing style Shihan made was called "Shin Kakuto Jitsu(New Fighting Art)". Shihan realized that the Thai style was very powerful and spirited, but also very crude and unscientific. He had to figure out a style that was superior to Muay Thai's footwork and speedy timing. So, really he totally looked at the entire picture without prejudice for what it was. Shihan was very wise and had alot of experience in the Kakutougi Sekai(Fighting World). There will never be another teacher like him. Even Sosai Oyama realized that he was something special and a throwback to the Samurai times. OSU!
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I wish there was more information available about Shihan Kurosakis own style.What principle he used and what techniques he taught, how they differed from kyokushin and why. History buff (and interested in obscure techniques) as I am, that would be very interesting. Does it still survive somewhere? or has it become completely absorbed by general kickboxing today.
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Martial arts existed in China long before Daruma Daishi (Bodhi Dharma arrived there) and as someone mentioned above, the japanese team that was sent to Thailand in 1964 was constituted by three Kyokushin Karateka and not three Kickboxers.
By the way, i noticed that you wrote Kukuto-jitsu but the correct form is Kakuto-jutsu. Ju-jutsu and not Jiu-jitsu (as the brazilians write it) and Ken-jutsu, not Ken-jitsu. Osu!!
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Martin H, OSU! When I trained under Shihan Kurosaki, he was doing Goju-Ryu Karate, and a pioneer in the development of Kyokushin(the new style back then). What alot of people don't realize is that Sosai himself, Shihan Kurosaki, and most of the first students learned more of the traditional Goju-Ryu and Shotokan style. Their movements were not refined and fluid, but stiff and rigid. It was only after Sosai formulated his new Kyokushin style based on the theory of the "point and circle" from Chinese Ken that the students with no prior Karate knowledge or ability started showing the greatness of the new style, Kyokushin. I lost contact with Shihan Kurosaki for a long time until around 1978, when Shihan was training Sensei Willie Williams for his fight with Antonio Inoki. That was when I had exposure to his Kickboxing style principles and yes, they were very different and unique compared to the conventional Muay-Thai or Japanese Kickboxing style. Shihan had extensive knowledge from alot of martial arts styles, and his Kickboxing training borrowed from alot of different sources. Shihan was determined to beat the Muay-Thai, almost an obsession with him. His primary focus was on his current fighters in the 1970's, especially Mr. Toshio Fujiwara, who was finally able to extract revenge for him in 1978 by becoming the first foreigner to win the Thai championship. After Fujiwara retired, he didn't have any other students with that kind of ability, and he sort of lost interest, also Kickboxing had a bad scandal around this time losing public favor in Japan. The best way to see Shihan's training methods and techniques are through his videos featuring Toshio Fujiwara. It's always amazing to me how fighters still seek out Shihan for his wisdom and knowledge, they know he's the "Man". Some of these greatly helps for Kyokushin Karate-Ka if they can adapt them to Karate style fighting. I use alot of them myself when I teach training classes and students are always amazed and ask "Where did that come from?". OSU!
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