kyokushin vs kickboxing.

koji112091 · 01-01-2008, 07:09 PM

Hi. I was just wondering about the history of kickboxing and how it relates to kyokushin. I believe it has something to do with the k1 and its early fighters such as Andy Hugg.
I believe there is a book out about it which I will read sortly but could someone give a vague summery on it. such as the history on the most popular forms of it (k 1 posibly)

Thanks

koji112091 · 01-01-2008, 07:21 PM

Sorry. I have just found a informative thread about the same thing. So this is just a waste of space basicaly. Mods can delete this if they want. Osu!

seienchin · 01-01-2008, 09:29 PM

Koji - can I suggest that you post the link here, and then we will close the thread - that makes it easier for everyone to find!

**ksan** · 01-01-2008, 09:53 PM

I do both, they complement eachother...

Osu

**SHIDOKANATLANTA** · 01-01-2008, 10:30 PM

karate and kickboxing are like soccer and rugby. the strategies and skillsets are different. knockdown and kickboxing are 2 completely different sports.

**ksan** · 01-01-2008, 10:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SHIDOKANATLANTA

karate and kickboxing are like soccer and rugby. the strategies and skillsets are different. knockdown and kickboxing are 2 completely different sports.

I totally cant agree with that... the only difference is punching to the head. Kickboksers are therefor better at punching and guarding their heads. Karateka are ussually better at kicking. The ma-ai in kickboxing is slightly wider.

Have been doing kickboksing for 15+ years and kyokushin for almost 20 and when i started doing kickboksing my fighting in karate improved exponentially.

Osu

Ksan

koji112091 · 01-02-2008, 03:19 AM

http://www.kyokushin4life.com/forums...ickboxing.html

Here is the link to the other thread I posted about earlier.

I think both will be great. Kick boxing just seems to be a great idea. I agree with all the rules in the fighting.
I like kyokushin for simular reasons and also the philosophy. I think a combination of the two will deffenately help with understanding the ultimate truth.

It seems like kickboxing is just a sport but kyokushin is for life. However, can't one live a life for a sport?

seienchin · 01-02-2008, 09:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by koji112091

. However, can't one live a life for a sport?

Well - yes, but what are you left with when you body finally can't keep up with the sport? That is where kyokushin is best. the battles of the body are ultimately replaced by battles of the spirit and mind. And kyokushin prepares you well for that. In a way that cricket, rugby or baseball just wouldn't.

**SHIDOKANATLANTA** · 01-02-2008, 01:40 PM

ksan,

you say kickboxers are better at punching to karateka are better at kicking. for kickboxing, yes the person more adept at boxing tends to have the better hands. but as far as kicking is concerned, for the most part the kicking is different. the kicking in karate is different than the kicking in kick/thai boxing (karate kicks can be used in kickboxing). there are kickboxers with no karate experience that can kick as effectively as the karateka (i.e. thai boxers). the timing, distancing, movement, etc. are different.

**tmd** · 01-02-2008, 01:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SHIDOKANATLANTA

karate and kickboxing are like soccer and rugby. the strategies and skillsets are different. knockdown and kickboxing are 2 completely different sports.

Could not agree more - footwork is different, hand position is different major weapons are different and tactically as you say very different. Maybe a better analogy is American Football and Rugby - similar to the casual observer but oh so different in practice and who's to say which is better as the only way to compare is by one side trying the others sport so every match has a built in disadvantage.

**ksan** · 01-02-2008, 02:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SHIDOKANATLANTA

ksan,

you say kickboxers are better at punching to karateka are better at kicking. for kickboxing, yes the person more adept at boxing tends to have the better hands. but as far as kicking is concerned, for the most part the kicking is different. the kicking in karate is different than the kicking in kick/thai boxing (karate kicks can be used in kickboxing). there are kickboxers with no karate experience that can kick as effectively as the karateka (i.e. thai boxers). the timing, distancing, movement, etc. are different.

Osu,

With all respect, but i think we have been accustomed to different surroundings. Kickboksers in Holland kick their lowkicks, their chudan mawashi`s, their jodan mawashi`s, mae geri and ushirio`s basically the same as their kyokushin collegue`s. The difference in timing distancing and movement is different in every fighter and even differs to the opponent they are fighting. I dont think those differences are purely style specific.

Maybe there are just bigger difference`s between both styles where you are from (or smaller ones where i am from).

Osu

Ksan

p.s. thaiboxing and kickboxing are the same, thaiboxing just allows elbows in their fights and more clinching and sorts... for me the difference between thai- and kickboxing is even smaller than between kickboxing and kyokushin. I tend to use both words for the same thing with them.

**SHIDOKANATLANTA** · 01-02-2008, 02:56 PM

for me kickboxing, thai boxing, and knockdown are 3 different sports. there like 3 different dances. the cadence of each are different. the distancing for knockdown is different than kickboxing (because of the head punches). western kickboxing is different than thailand kickboxing. kicks thrown in muay thai are different than those thrown in kickboxing. i say that based on my experience as professional kickboxer and thai boxer. there is some carry over of techniques (like in the foot ball/rugby analogy), but they are all unique in application.

Sonik · 01-02-2008, 03:11 PM

Hum...let's see, many Kyokushin fighters train in Kickboxing so who's to say which one is more effective? I think Kickboxing training should be part of all Kyokushin Karateka. It's a combat discipline that helps you develop your striking skills. I consider it a part of my Kyokushin training. Even in the 70's there was a proper Kyokushin Kickboxing gym if i'm not mistaken (i've seen some photos of Royama and others in shorts training there). The other discipline i advise is Ju-jutsu in order to develop grappling skills.

Seihenchin you're talking about spirit which indeed is the last thing to fade. As you grow old you physical capabilities get diminished but that goes for everyone and not everyone feels the need to have Kyokushin training in order to have a strong spirit. But i get your point. Some Kickboxers i know indeed just learn how to beat someone up and not more than that. But the same goes for some Karate dojos. I know guys from "traditional" Karate who do drugs and brag about their skills when they are none and even do drugs even though they somehow attained a black belt. And these guys quit very easy. They are spoiled people who always got everything from their parents even when they don't deserve it. The same thing happens in the dojo. When you get a black belt just because you train there for some time even though you never make any real effort to develop your skills.

Once again it all depends on the person and it's teacher. Kyokushing spirit is something you have to develop early in life and that comes from parents and school. If your parents don't demand discipline, self control and competitive spirit it will always be hard for you to have sucess in life. Most likely you'll be a spoiled kid who quits everytime you face a serious obstacle.

I know guys like that who go to our dojo and never do more than a few sessions because they feel it's too hard. But then again, some of these guys have already realised that they're going nowhere in life and need to find path and try to stick around a bit further. I must remind that this is where the teacher and the rest of the students have an important role. They need to motivate the problematic student to fight his problems with all he's got, ie, to gain Kyokushin spirit.

However if we sense that a student has good fighting instincts but no honest spirit and goes wild on the streets this might lead to his expulsion. Is this the right thing to do? I would say yes in a certain way even though i feel bad somehow for quiting on someone. How do you deal with that?

And sorry for going a bit offtopic.

Osu!

**tmd** · 01-02-2008, 03:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sonik

They need to motivate the problematic student to fight his problems with all he's got, ie, to gain Kyokushin spirit.

However if we sense that a student has good fighting instincts but no honest spirit and goes wild on the streets this might lead to his expulsion. Is this the right thing to do? I would say yes in a certain way even though i feel bad somehow for quiting on someone. How do you deal with that?

And sorry for going a bit offtopic.

Osu!

New thread I think Sonik as an important discussion

koji112091 · 01-03-2008, 05:54 PM

I think this is already another thread.

In my opinion.

If he was the one who got in trouble then you did not quit him. He quit himself.

Sonik · 01-04-2008, 07:53 AM

Yes i'm sorry. Just read the first paragraph then. Is it possible to remove the rest of my post to that other thread?

seienchin · 01-04-2008, 08:55 AM

Sonik..you can edit your own post if you wish. I can't post in your name - but you can pick up the part of your post that you wish and paste it into a fresh post in the other thread.

To help you: Here is a link to the relevant thread:

http://www.kyokushin4life.com/forums...expulsion.html

Shamo · 01-08-2008, 11:45 PM

I think It's important to define what we understand as being Kickboxing vs Kyokushin. For instance, I'm attending Kickboxing classes that are inspired by Full Contact Karate (usualy with no strikes below the belt in things of that nature). But Muay Thai, or Thai boxing is different in nearly the entire approach to a fight, not only because of knees, elbows and clinches but the type of strikes differ as well. For example, I'm use to kick the Muay Thai way, so people are always telling me to bend me knee as to make it snap when I perform a Roundhouse.

koji112091 · 01-10-2008, 04:36 AM

Yes I agree. I'm not sure if I made this clear but I generaly refering to K-1 style of kickboxing.

Sponsored Links