Boxing

[kaloyan]

Hi guys. Today i argued with a friend of mine that the boxer punch is stronger than that of a karateka but he said it isnt so.So i want to ask somebody who has trained boxing or knows the art to exlain me.I also would like to ask here if you had seen how many boxers for example Ray Robinson performed the jab tih the elbow sticked out and in kyokushin we are teached to keep the elbow in. Which is better please help cause m really confused

[vapor]

I don't know if that is an argument that can be won by either side...because it revolves around personal opinion, rather than facts...

But when you say "stronger", do you mean the most impact?

vapor

[jcc]

If you get your hips and body behind the blow there shouldn´t be much difference. Boxers obviously practice punching far more than we do, but there are some boxers with a light punch who never seem to be able to knock anyone out and others known as knock-out specialists, so how long is a piece of string?

[Kurisu]

Mechanically, there really shouldn't be a variation between a Kyokushin fighter's and a boxer's straight punch to the head.

[ANTSAN]

They tested this on a documentary called "Fight Science" the boxer did have the strongest punch. However I personally beleive there are so many variables it would be difficult to prove one against the other conclusively. Given the fact that Boxers focus only on punching would be a major reason why they came out on top on the show...

[Dent]

Osu!

Boxers punch, mainly with the idea of knocking someone out. They should punch very hard.

Knockdown fighters punch with the idea of knocking someone down. They should also punch very hard.

The FSN Sport Science show did another episode with Rampage Jackson, and his punch was ridiculous.

At the end of the day, the individual is going to be a greater variable factor than the specific method/ art.

Osu!

[hasbeen]

Originally Posted by kaloyan

Hi guys. Today i argued with a friend of mine that the boxer punch is stronger than that of a karateka but he said it isnt so.So i want to ask somebody who has trained boxing or knows the art to exlain me.I also would like to ask here if you had seen how many boxers for example Ray Robinson performed the jab tih the elbow sticked out and in kyokushin we are teached to keep the elbow in. Which is better please help cause m really confused

osu!! in my opinion dent has got it about right.

[SHIDOKANATLANTA]

being a karateka and a former boxer, i would have to say the boxers punch harder. first of fall, punching is there focus, and secondly when they sit down on a punch, they throw punches from a wider stance (they don't have to worry about lower body attacks. not to say that the average karate guy won't knock someone out too, but i will say the average boxer punches harder than the average karateka and the average kickboxer too.

[kaloyan]

Shidokanatlanta could you explain what do you mean by punching is there focus and what is meant by sitting down on a punch.Please

[vapor]

I think what is meant by punching is their focus is this...punches are the only tools a boxer has. No kicks, no knees...just punches. As such other than cardio, practising the punch has a boxer's full attention.

vapor

[SHIDOKANATLANTA]

sitting down on the punch is like squatting into the punch. they punch from a wider base. because their entire offense is based on punching, their ability to shift weight into their punches is better. because boxing is a punch oriented sport, they throw harder punches.

[Bloke]

Originally Posted by SHIDOKANATLANTA

sitting down on the punch is like squatting into the punch. they punch from a wider base. because their entire offense is based on punching, their ability to shift weight into their punches is better. because boxing is a punch oriented sport, they throw harder punches.

Very well put - thanks.

In the end the only thing that matters is not whether a Karateka or a boxer has the hardest punch - it only matters that, should the situation arise, yours is harder than your opponents - and more accurate.

[kabirlovero]

Originally Posted by kaloyan

Hi guys. Today i argued with a friend of mine that the boxer punch is stronger than that of a karateka but he said it isnt so.So i want to ask somebody who has trained boxing or knows the art to exlain me.I also would like to ask here if you had seen how many boxers for example Ray Robinson performed the jab tih the elbow sticked out and in kyokushin we are teached to keep the elbow in. Which is better please help cause m really confused

I once watched this show on discovery channel about this 2 guys going to japan to have some kyokushin training, and one of them was a boxer.
they did some kumite fights, and he said that the punches were the hardest that he ever experienced; and he was a big guy , too

[Kurisu]

I did a lot of boxing a few years ago and I had no problems with my punches in making the transition from Kyokushin to Boxing. Maybe I had good instructors that understood mechanics but the trainers at the gym didn't need to make any adjustments to my punches.

[kaloyan]

Thanks all of you gyus you really helped me

[jcc]

Osu!

One final(?) comment: I think that it´s not just pure power, but the punch you don´t see that´s going to knock you out. So the secret is timing (Mr. Ali, for eg.), not huge telegraphed blows

Osu!

[kaloyan]

Maybe one final from me?YouTube - Mentor Morina, Trening ne thes (Bag Workout) i just found that on youtube and i would like to ask if this how he performs the jab is wright or hes stiking the elbow too much out( its my opinion)

[Dent]

Osu!

The Jab can be thrown differently according to different schools of thought. A big danger in an art that includes either knees or round kicks is a poorly thrown jab. (Slow, wide, no snap)

A good long knee can ruin your round if you throw a sloppy Jab.

If I was this guy, I'd be more worried about consistently dropping the right off the left hook.

Osu!

[SHIDOKANATLANTA]

elbows in, elbows out. on hooks, vertical fist or horizontal. doesn't really matter. technical differences our individual. i've learned that somebody may execute a technique differently, but that doesn't make it ineffective.