When are you ready for knock down?

[Nix]

Originally Posted by blazindave

Um...http://www.kyokushin4life.com/forums...rom-bdave.html

You're a bit late on that. While i'm at it, i need some pointers.
I'm short (5'3) due to my short legs. Pointers on what to do when i fight a 6 foot man with long legs. They seem to be around every corner, haha. I hit hard with both kicks and punches but i am not able to knock someone out with kick to the head. So, pointers would be appreciated.

It sounds like you already know the answer to this. Get into short distance, and use your punches, your knees, elbows and low kicks. Use your footwork to quickly move around the opponent.

As for the introduction, notice I was addressing Torakun, not you.

I see no reason to rush it. Most knockdown tournaments around my location is minimum 4th kyu. I've been practicing for 8 years, and have never entered a knock-down tournament. I practice it regularly, against very competent opponents, I just haven't seen the need to actually enter. Especially not when the participation fee plus travel and lodging is a high price to pay for 1½ minute of sound beating.

[tmd]

Originally Posted by blazindave

Um...http://www.kyokushin4life.com/forums...rom-bdave.html

I'm short (5'3) due to my short legs. Pointers on what to do when i fight a 6 foot man with long legs. They seem to be around every corner, haha. I hit hard with both kicks and punches but i am not able to knock someone out with kick to the head. So, pointers would be appreciated.

If you watch the knockdown vids or attend a few tourneys you'll see that most fights are won by kidney or rib strikes than head kicks - that doesn't mean you should give up trying, but I understand it is a limitation of your game - there are two safe ranges in knockdown the obvious one is right out the way the second ( not quite to safe ) is tucked up close, in here you would have the advantage of being able to put more power in your techs than the guy with longer limbs, but... when I fight at light weight (struggling to make weight right now ) and I come up against powerful, compact guys that fight this way, I am wise to it and use a lot of close in techs like elbows to the collar bone and trips so you still need to be vary aware - the main thing to keep in mind in any fight is be in your fighting zone not theirs as often as possible, making them uncomfortable is just as valuable as feeling comfortable yourself.

[blazindave]

Originally Posted by Nix

As for the introduction, notice I was addressing Torakun, not you.

Oops, my bad :P Alright thanks. More advice is always welcome.

[walshy]

Originally Posted by hasbeen

OSU WALSHY! i don`t mean to be a party pooper but i would make sure you have two years training experience before you enter any knockdown.(imo)
you obviously have the right attitude, the two years will fly by..savour it!!

see you in october?

Thanks Hasbeen, think you are probably right. Have been told the same by a few people now, so will only enter if there is a complete novice section.
Otherwise i will attend as a spectator and cheer on TMD!!!
Yes I will be there in October, looking forward to it will be a great day

[tmd]

Sorry one last point as to when you feel you are ready as apposed to are ready and this may be what your Sensei is getting at - they say for each min of knockdown you need to have trained a 1000 mins (16 hours) so for a tourney with say 4 rounds of 2 x 2 min fights you need to have prepared to fight for at least 16 mins; to me this equals 16 weeks of 16 hours training as this is the max I can do - the top guys do around 32-36 hours per week of training. When you feel ready to fight you need to start preparing to fight.

[Shamo]

Shihan Ohan knows what he's talking about blazindave, I think that fighter you're referring to is Senpai Benoit, who is as tough as nails, trust me.
You'll have you're chance at knockdown if you persist in training and classes.
Good luck,
Os

[blazindave]

Originally Posted by Shamo

Shihan Ohan knows what he's talking about blazindave, I think that fighter you're referring to is Senpai Benoit, who is as tough as nails, trust me.
You'll have you're chance at knockdown if you persist in training and classes.
Good luck,
Os

Haha, definitely. This thread wasnt meant to be a "wah thats so unfair wah" type of thread. Sorry if it came across as being like that. I was just curious as to everyone's different criteria concerning when one is ready for knockdown. I trust my Shihan 100 percent, but again was just a call of curiosity, not a complaint.
Excuse the language, but if i would have fought Senpai Benoit, my ass would have been handed to me on a silver plater...that is for sure.


Osu!

[Olrac]

Originally Posted by blazindave

but if i would have fought Senpai Benoit, my ass would have been handed to me on a silver plater...that is for sure.

It's good to see that you know your limits.

keep training, maybe in the future you will have your chance against your senpai

[Shamo]

Originally Posted by blazindave

Haha, definitely. This thread wasnt meant to be a "wah thats so unfair wah" type of thread. Sorry if it came across as being like that. I was just curious as to everyone's different criteria concerning when one is ready for knockdown. I trust my Shihan 100 percent, but again was just a call of curiosity, not a complaint.
Excuse the language, but if i would have fought Senpai Benoit, my ass would have been handed to me on a silver plater...that is for sure.


Osu!

No problem, I completely understand.
In my view, once you can control yourself during sparring, you should be able to handle a full knockdown kumite.
By the way, I've had the honor of sparring with Senpai Benoit, I tell ya, If I wasn't bigger then he is, I would have been taking care of a long time ago.

[olyckan]

A dear friend, coach and sensei told me this as i´ve always felt that I wasnt ready for knockdown.. This is his words. "You (as in selfperson) are never ready for knockdown, there is no specifik point to say when you are ready. The transition from semi-contact and national competition to international competion will always be a big leap to take whenever you take it"´..... With that said after 6 more years he convinced me to go knockdown. I have now done 2 international tournaments and faced worldchampions only because he belived in me and gave me the chance. Only thing I can say is go knockdown if you have it in your heart and really want to do it.. However if your going into a knockdown tournament, then prepare like a knockdown fighter. Dont just do your regular training, and sign up for a tournament. To go knockdown has taken me far beyond my normal training.

[medguy]

Originally Posted by blazindave

Um...http://www.kyokushin4life.com/forums...rom-bdave.html

You're a bit late on that. While i'm at it, i need some pointers.
I'm short (5'3) due to my short legs. Pointers on what to do when i fight a 6 foot man with long legs. They seem to be around every corner, haha. I hit hard with both kicks and punches but i am not able to knock someone out with kick to the head. So, pointers would be appreciated.

osu

Well, as the shorter fighter, you have one option--get in close.

Taller fighters with longer legs will naturally fight using mainly their legs. You have to work on your explosive power to close the gap and get in tight where their kicks will be ineffective.

There is no reason to try to kick high especially if you are 5'3" and they are 6'.

I would say focus on closing the distance between you so that you are inside their comfort zone. As a shorter fighter, you should be focusing on inside power moves--punches, knees, low kicks, elbows, and sweeping techniques. high kicks and pushing kicks are not safe for shorter fighters to focus on. I am not saying don't practice them, but in kumite, you shouldn't be looking for high kick knockout. focus on body blows and strong low kicks for the knockout.
And anyway, knockouts seldom occur when you plan for them. Usually, they are a surprise to both of you.

In training, work on plyometrics for your explosive movement to close the distance--squats, power cleans, etc, chair jumps, etc.

heavy weights with low reps.

On the bag, work on those low kicks and knees and short punches.

With an arm shield, work on closing the distance to effect knee stricks and low kicks.

With a partner, work on sweeps as he throws high kicks, and sabaki technique when he throws front kicks and punches.

[Paedde]

Osu

Don't forget it's for a demonstration. I guess 2 black belts will look better to the audience
And even if not, listen to your sensei, he knows best.

Osu