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07-28-2008, 09:40 PM
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#41
Osu Olyckan - good to here your dojo is continuing to aspire to upholding ideals that distinguish it from a fight club. Often times people think that merely training in costume and using japanese words is enough to do that. But it is about attitude and behaviour, not dress code and words.
Nice post! 
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07-29-2008, 12:56 AM
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I'd say that the good old days we did train hard than now, BUT I was also young and full of energy, no injuries or etc.
As well their was a bunch of us train and we all hung out together and though we taught no where as much as we do now. So focus was on training harder, improving and working as a team/group as well as for yourself too. Now I focus on what to teach my private students, how to get them to focus on this or that and once the dojo is open so much more, yet little time for me to train in a group of good old boys. As well the lawyers have made it hard for us top, no one would have ever thought about suing you back then if you popped them in the nose or dropped a tooth etc. Now man look at someone and you get sued as well the insurance comp; don't let you do this or that either, so has a big impact on how the spirit of the training is brought down as well It is a fine line that we need to walk do to these issues & others, and growing a student base that you can have the strong spirit in is a commodity that one has to work on and treasure once you got it.
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07-29-2008, 07:30 AM
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Osu! Spirit, You are so right. It is extremely hard to teach Kyokushin, uphold the standards and the principals of Budo, and grow a strong student base. I now only teach private students, and only after a thorough interviewing process. That way, they don't waste their time and I don't waste mine. Here in USA, it seems alot of people have the wrong concept of what the martial arts really are. Extremely frustrating and counter productive. Osu!
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07-29-2008, 07:40 AM
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Something that will instantly make them unstoppable in the street?
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07-29-2008, 11:45 AM
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Like anything that becomes "main stream" it so often changes do to those can't now all of a sudden can and then do.
We can see this in any sport, hobbies or food and clothing, shows etc... Though like lonewolf I may feel the spirit has dramatical changed and yes the students have improved do to knowledge becoming more open to the student and more people training, and more teaching also has a effect on the perception of things have improved. I would say that they have not just become more seen!!! Unlike many of you I can look back at a dojo that has been operating for 40 years, know all the B/B from the first to the last and see a big difference in the way they train, understand, etc etc etc. They don't do 50 or 100 man kumite anymore they don't do bare knuckle sparring, they don't do all the crazy stuff. We need to focus on our own dojo and or students at the same time be open to others and help and share knowledge without so much prejutice. I know that I have gone down that road at times and must work to be better at understanding others as they need to understand me. BUT I do miss the more "structured days" Last edited by Spirit; 07-31-2008 at 09:58 PM.
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07-29-2008, 12:30 PM
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07-29-2008, 03:40 PM
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The violent crime statistics are horrendous, but not as impacting as the actual crimes themselves. Violent crime reaches out to everyone, with no quarter given for age, race, gender, ethnicity or creed. Here are the official police statistics. As with most statistics, there is some room for error, either willful, or otherwise. Please be aware that even in the best light, these numbers represent victims. Real people. Crime Statistics | Per Category Osu!
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07-29-2008, 04:11 PM
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i was so horrified by the murder figures for 2007/2008 i held a poll in my office,the highest call was 10.000............and we like to call the human race civilized! sorry if i took this off thread eveybody.
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07-29-2008, 07:36 PM
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When I was last in SA, I got to see an old instructor of mine. He's a big man, around 6'5", and with plenty of lean muscle. I found out from his wife that we were lucky to be seeing him at all. After making a withdrawal at the bank, he stepped out onto the main street, and was swarmed by 10-12 attackers. They stabbed him repeatedly as he fought them off, and although they ran away, he was in critical condition in the ICU for quite some time. Yes, his training probably saved his life, as much because of his conditioning as because of his skills, but no one out there can realistically expect to defend themselves, without injury, when unexpectedly faced with so many armed attackers. That said, I think the never say die spirit built up through years of hard training, and many drills vs multiple opponents may be the reason he is still with us. Osu!
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07-29-2008, 08:41 PM
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07-30-2008, 11:59 AM
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Very good & interesting thread. Heavy rain of rep.
Edit: Lol. first time I come across the "max rep in 24 hour" limit :-)
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07-30-2008, 02:04 PM
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I agree 100%!
The World of kyokushin must come together! Forget the Business and respect the legacy of sosaļ Oyama by recognizing it as a moral capital that all of us have to improve! Just have a look to those who are mobilizing such as the Honourable "Kyokushin Shogakukai Foundation, the union Kyokushin, KyokushinKan, and other openminded and respectful of the treasure named "Kyokushin" Osu !
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07-30-2008, 05:18 PM
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Osu! blazindave, Here in USA generally alot of the public just has the wrong concept of what the martial arts really are about. It is a sad and frustrating situation. It seems that people here like being lied to, to be lead to believe that they will become invincible it they join martial arts. They train in a "so called" style and get a bogus Black Belt and feel they are bullet proof. I used to think that was funny, but now I feel it's so sad. Bad part is, good people do martial arts training and develop a false sense of security that will eventually get them killed or hurt in the street. It's not their fault, it's the fault of the teacher at the place they trained at.
They say Kyokushin is violent and extreme. I have had alot of people tell me over the years that Kyokushin Karate training was not necessary. They told me that a person could "kill" someone with that much power. They also informed me that Karate and martial arts were for enjoyment or sport, and not to hurt people. So, then I asked them "What would happen if your family members or you were attacked in a real life street encounter?" I was told, "Oh my, that would never happen to me. That's only in the movies". Amazing! It seems that here in USA, people have a "comic book", fantasy idea of what the martial arts are about. I will say that it is changing somewhat now, since the popularity of UFC and other MMA events here now. I have always refused to do any of that. I have only a handful of dedicated students who only like to train for the sake of training (and it's many positive benefits). I had an 80% drop out rate when I ran a Dojo over the years. I just love the art too much to allow myself to become commercialized. I stick to my principles and not lower the standards. There is an old saying, "If you don't stand for something, you'll lie down for anything". Osu! Last edited by Dent; 07-30-2008 at 06:28 PM. Reason: Potentially political content.
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07-30-2008, 09:44 PM
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Kyokushin way of practise
I also practice kyokushin without compromise. My Sensei and Shihan Jean Corhay (former mercenary) taught me to push my limits. Far from the lure of gain manufacturer false karateka they have given their knowledge to those who wanted to work.
Those who find it too difficult are free to seek their way elsewhere. Those who choose to follow the Kyokushin way must do so with a total commitment. The real fight is the ultimate truth and we practise it after years of practice. That's Kyokushin.
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07-31-2008, 12:10 AM
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I think there is a dilution in our society that inevitably has as effect on our art - you can not be made to do anything anymore but only asked, is this a good thing? of course but does it make you stronger willed? If you are given a choice the average brain will take the pain free route.
I do not feel this means we have less able Shihans, Sensei's or fighters today than ever before because if you can stay the course you probably have the same mental attitude as those you follow but does the average karateka have the same level of commitment or spirit as was once required just to get beyond say a blue belt then I have to say I think not. One example from me: our last black and brown grading, my 1st Kyu grading - I'd had scores of injuries and problems leading up to it - nearly pulled out after the pre grading but there I am 6 hours in and we get to the kumite, first couple, big guys all goes well no problems, next few get bashed up by my Sensei grading for his 3rd Dan and our top fighter, still all ok, then next couple of fights I'm going tame as they're clearly not at my level, combat wise but still I'm told 'hey take it easy it's just a grading' so I'm hardly touching and still I get these crappy looks like I'm some kinda thug. So for the rest of my fights I pick out bigger guys and higher grades so I can feel like I've achieved/ honoured my grade - I do my 25 fights have a couple of fight rest then get back up to fight again against those goings for higher Dan grades. The guys who asked me to back off when I was hardly touching them in a Kyokushin grading will be BB's as soon as me, though after significantly less years of training - is this right? Yes it's right, they paid their dues for what they see as their journey but to my mind without knowing them, I would say what they call a hobby I call a way of life which is why I have to feel the pain to feel the achievement, because this is my Kyokushin. I'm not putting myself up as an example of the 'Spirit of Kyokushin' as this would be wrong, very wrong, I'm just an average Kyokushin karateka, I'm using my example to ask Lonewolf is this the Spirit you say is lost? No, not everyone who trains in Kyokushin or any other style of combat or MA has it, they never did, those you have heard about had it because they were the top of the tree you can not judge the roots of todays tree by the fruit of yesterday I think people just used to drop out sooner.
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07-31-2008, 02:11 AM
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Osu!
Very nicely said, TMD! Let's see if I can rep you so soon after my last repping. Osu!
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07-31-2008, 03:53 AM
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Osu! tmd, Yes that is exactly the type of "spirit" that I was referring to. It just seems that nowadays attitudes and focus has changed. We are in great danger of losing a really special art called Kyokushin Karate if we are not careful. Someone earlier said that it is really up to the individual Instructors to keep their standards high in their Dojos. I agree with that. Soshu S. Oyama used to say that if it's a good instructor, it's a good style.
I'm just concerned about Kyokushin heritage and tradition being preserved and handed down to the next generation in an authentic form. That is really my main interest here. Losing the "Budo Spirit" is the beginning of the end, that's all. Spirit is the very essence and true nature of what Kyokushin Karate is all about. Osu!
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07-31-2008, 11:52 AM
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#58
A good group of posts and a few thoughts come from reading them...
I have never encountered karateka or not saying Kyokushin was to strong, violent etc... Though not everyone likes to train in the manner that Kyokushin trains. I think running and karate is a good example.... When "running" became main stream everyone was "running" running shoes, track suits grew in many ways. Some became stylish and comfortable and became OK to wear in work, school etc [when they where not before the craze]. Now Runners will say that many or most people out on the road are not running, but are jogging and not pushing themselves on a slow paced jog of 2-5 miles. A runner runs at a fast and constant pace for 10 or more miles. other styles -Kyokushin I really feel that saying one style is better or the like is a road best not traveled down. I know many high dans promoted by Sosai that could not hold their own for any reason, yet they got their certs, why... Sosai was a great businessman as well Karateka... I was a black and white instructor in my early days during my first dojo. I had refused more than half the people asking to train believing they would slow down the class or bother the present students etc to the dojo. I now know that was not only wrong of me and small minded but it was ignorant to think I was above them or they where below the standards of the other students. If 1 person or dojo feels that they teach karate in a way that is different than us, so be it. It is OK for them to believe and to follow their hearts and minds. We as kyokushin students are not above the world of Karate. If you make comments about other styles or dojo's you are no better than the ones you scofe... It is equal negative energy. Train the way you feel is best for you and teach the way you feel best for each student in your dojo, but do not make light or belittle others. SURE, I personally feel the "mcdojo's" are hurting the "ART" of Kyokushin, but not karate!!! They keep the interest going, if it was not for all the easier more family, kid friendly less rigid, disciplined dojo's you who have been training for 20 years or less may not have trained at all. Karate was going out of fashion and intrerest fast back then really, really fast. Learn from everyone no matter how poor or how good them are... each person is a teacher to you!!! Only ignorants keeps you from growing... I did 50 and 100 man for my 2nd & 3rd dan tests. Will I expect my students to do they same, probably not, does that make we any less an instructor than those who made us do it back then, NO. Is my Spirit greater than others no it is my spirit of Karate that makes me, me... It is like saying that kids who play T-Ball is not playing baseball...... or who play on a team that does not keep score is not playing the game. Also remember that Karate as well ALL other M/A that was sport orientated was not considered "BUDO" yet now it is.... though budo is not karate, judo, kendo etc?!???? It became Budo only do to a few men become in control of power and made it Budo...mmmmmm funny how history is sooooo Sure Kyokushin in its self has changed for good or bad depending on who you are, how you have been taught or stories you have heard or beleive... Is lonewolf wrong in his believes, NO !!! he makes a very good point and has strong believes in his ideas of Kyokushin and I have to admire him for holding on to his ways for so long. Though I would suggest that maybe take a small step back and open the dojo up for a few more students witha bit less "spirit" than you do now. You may be quite surprised how their spirit will grow under your guiding wisdom... Is it wrong to think one way of Kyokushin is right YES... I would think that the one only way thinking that [possibly] made many great Sensei's leave the IKO in the 60's 70's and 80's!!! Reps to you lonewolf for your dedication to your art and great thread as well post. Please keep them up
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07-31-2008, 12:13 PM
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Many of us have unfortunately already seen this kind of behaviour at Brown and black belt examination. Personally I saw it three times. And I did not understand why the grading committee gave a black belt to a guy who cries at the second round and then serves only to punching-ball. This is an injustice not only in relation to those who have "suffered" with a |