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[Kudoist]

No, Kata is not used as a training tool in Daido Juku.
With striking, throwing and grappling involved there is alot of material to cover.
There really isnt time for kata practise. We have to choose the most effective methods for our purposes, to utilise training time as much as possible.
The focus is more on practising techniques against a partner to get a feel for how it really works.
Shadow boxing / pad training and partner drills replace kata practise.

[orisha66]

Does anyone know of a daido juku seminar anywhere close to the mid-west?

[Sonny Crockett]

Osu, kudoist, how are you.
I'm very happy to read you tipical training, beacause i have the same spirit and i walk on the same road...
In Kudo i think there are a group more traditionel and a more modern group in practice. I find that interesting, as in thailand, each dojo with his speciality.
For me the Kudo is Open way, that's not a fixed art... In 90's we can see in hokutoki only strick and judo, after first UFC and appearance of BJJ, we can see a lot of ground technic...

Do you fight at next Hokutoki?

[Martin H]

Originally Posted by Kudoist

No, Kata is not used as a training tool in Daido Juku.
With striking, throwing and grappling involved there is alot of material to cover.
There really isnt time for kata practise.

One of our resident daido guys (i dont remember who right now) mentioned in another thread that Daido juku still had at least one traditional kata from kyokushin, Kata Tensho, in the grading syllabus at high level (over shodan). He also identified it in a youtube vid of a kyokushin version as the same (if slightly modified)
Is that a exception or was he wrong?

(I will try to find the thread in the archive later and link it)

[sokaiya]

Originally Posted by Kudoist

No, Kata is not used as a training tool in Daido Juku.
With striking, throwing and grappling involved there is alot of material to cover.
There really isnt time for kata practise. We have to choose the most effective methods for our purposes, to utilise training time as much as possible.
The focus is more on practising techniques against a partner to get a feel for how it really works.
Shadow boxing / pad training and partner drills replace kata practise.

Funny enough we (Kyokushin'ers and many Karateka's) do Kata, lots of Kata and many of us do not have the pleasure of being knowledgeable in grappling so our application of Kata and our knowledge of Kata is extremely limited. Where as you who do have those, barely study Kata at all.

[kakatootoshi]

Just some online freebies.
It's Daido Juku manga (comics)

"Kudo Suikoden"
This one is from the kyokushin years of Jukucho Azuma to this day. Just click the picture to change to another page till the end.

http://www.ku-do.com/home/manga/kudo01/1.html
http://www.ku-do.com/home/manga/kudo02/1.html
http://www.ku-do.com/home/manga/kudo02_1/1.html
http://www.ku-do.com/home/manga/kudo03/1.html

OSU!

[Kudoist]

Originally Posted by Martin H

One of our resident daido guys (i dont remember who right now) mentioned in another thread that Daido juku still had at least one traditional kata from kyokushin, Kata Tensho, in the grading syllabus at high level (over shodan). He also identified it in a youtube vid of a kyokushin version as the same (if slightly modified)
Is that a exception or was he wrong?

(I will try to find the thread in the archive later and link it)

Well its news to me if its true. I've never heard of kata being practiced in Daido Juku at all. But then my dojo isnt the most typical.
I'll ask one of my sempai about it.

[Kudoist]

Originally Posted by sokaiya

Funny enough we (Kyokushin'ers and many Karateka's) do Kata, lots of Kata and many of us do not have the pleasure of being knowledgeable in grappling so our application of Kata and our knowledge of Kata is extremely limited. Where as you who do have those, barely study Kata at all.

I've practiced alot of kata over the years in various traditional styles. I actually really enjoy kata.
But the honest truth is that the bunkai I was taught by various teachers was very poor.
Many of the applications were unrealistic, or very different in application in actual sparring to the kata movement.
I strongly believe in the importance of teaching correct muscle memory through countless repititions of techniques. So techniques have to be practised exactly how they are intended to be used.
This turned me away from using kata as a training tool.

Then a couple of years ago I did some training with some Ryu te guys.
(Okinawan Kempo)
Their applications of the moves I had learned in katas were completely different to what I had been taught in Japanese and Korean systems.
Blocks turned out to be grabs, strikes to vital points, locks and takedowns.. It was like somebody suddenly turned on the light and kata started to make more sense.
It made me think that perhaps alot was watered down and symplified in the transition from Okinawa to mainland Japan.
I didnt continue training with them for very long because the dojo was too far away, but it was an enlightening experience.

[Kudoist]

Originally Posted by Sonny Crockett

Osu, kudoist, how are you.
I'm very happy to read you tipical training, beacause i have the same spirit and i walk on the same road...
In Kudo i think there are a group more traditionel and a more modern group in practice. I find that interesting, as in thailand, each dojo with his speciality.
For me the Kudo is Open way, that's not a fixed art... In 90's we can see in hokutoki only strick and judo, after first UFC and appearance of BJJ, we can see a lot of ground technic...

Do you fight at next Hokutoki?

I hope so! The Tokyo prelims(yosen) are comming up next month, so I'm training really hard right now.

I was originally attracted to the Kudo concept because of its openness to encorporate whatever works. I'm a fan of Bruce Lee's Jeet Kune Do philosophy and Kudo seemed to be a similar path.
I had some experience in other arts and I wanted to be able to entegrate my techniques together in one solid system.
I really enjoyed Muay Thai, but it lacked that special something that Japanese Budo has.
So when I found Iimura sensei's Daido Juku Dojo I felt like my long search was finally over.
Unfortunately we dont do much BJJ or Judo at our dojo though. Sensei is very "old school" in his thinking. For him, fighting is done standing up.
Like Mirco Crocop, he specialises in striking and not getting taken to the ground.
He won the Hokutoki 5 times, and he's trained 2 champions since then, so he's proved his methods effective. But as you say, these days the level of grappling is getting much better.
I know I need to work more on my grappling skills if I want to be a serious competitor. Thats why I've started training in BJJ as well.
I think we all need to be well rounded these days.

[Martin H]

Originally Posted by Kudoist

Their applications of the moves I had learned in katas were completely different to what I had been taught in Japanese and Korean systems.
Blocks turned out to be grabs, strikes to vital points, locks and takedowns.. It was like somebody suddenly turned on the light and kata started to make more sense.

I know the feeling. From "this is total cr*p, no-one would ever do anything this way in a real fight", to "Hey, this might just work in reality! damn that WOULD work!".
All the bunkai ive ever seen in kyokushin is just crap (sometimes pritty crap, but crap nevertheless), but there IS a combative reason behind katas.

But 99.99% of all bunkai thaught is of the worthless kind taught by people (often masters) who themselves has never learned the propper, combat effective (not competition effective) bunkai, and is making it up as they go along. the trick is to find that 0.01 who actually do know what they are talking about.

[Sonny Crockett]

Good luck for tokyo tournement, In france i can't fight in kudo rules, because there aren't tournement in west europe, i fight in BJJ tournement and next time in thai boxing... You are very good fighter and you have very good sensei, last year i have see your fight and i liked your fights...
If you win, I would bring a champagne bottle to you.

[ShotokanNL]

I wanne take up daido juku, but there arn't any dojo's for it in my area.

Are there any dutch people here who know a good dojo in the Leiden area?
Many thanks

[Kudoist]

Originally Posted by Sonny Crockett

Good luck for tokyo tournement, In france i can't fight in kudo rules, because there aren't tournement in west europe, i fight in BJJ tournement and next time in thai boxing... You are very good fighter and you have very good sensei, last year i have see your fight and i liked your fights...
If you win, I would bring a champagne bottle to you.

Haha, Cheers mate!
I'll make sure I have a couple of glasses ready at the Hokutoki then.
Good luck for your fights too.
Have you fought Muay Thai before?

[Azimuth]

Originally Posted by ShotokanNL

I wanne take up daido juku, but there arn't any dojo's for it in my area.

Are there any dutch people here who know a good dojo in the Leiden area?
Many thanks

I think you should take a look in the Sahinbas Dojo in Leiden .

http://www.sahinbas.nl/budo/martialarts.html

http://www.sahinbas.nl/

Osu

[ShotokanNL]

OSU

Thats great news, I live only 5 minutes from leiden. So i can basiclly take my bike to that dojo.

Thanks allot man.

OSU

[rsobrien]

Aren't you in the Muay Thai Capital of Europe?

[Sonny Crockett]

I don't have fighting before in thai boxing...
Only in Kudo, kyokushin, bresilien ju jitsu and grappling rules.
I have start thai boxing this years with great master in france, he have teaching Jerome Le Banner, jean charles skarbowsky....
It's very different of karate, in kick i'm okey, punch medium and Knee soo bad
I training every day , that's hard because there are a lot of professionel fighters and every day i have blood on my face
Training is very good, i like, but it's not same spirit of martial art, in professionel sport, there are not friendship...
Kudo is way of middle : Power of fighting sport and spirit of martial art.
Ono sempai fight this year?

[Kudoist]

Originally Posted by Sonny Crockett

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Ono sempai fight this year?

Unfortunately not. He decided to ritire last year after winning the Hokutoki.
He has a new baby son, so he doesnt have so much time to train.
I dont see him very often these days. It sucks because I really want to spar with him!
He used to kick my butt regularly, and I learned alot from him.

Last week I went to the Yokohama dojo to spar with some heavyweights.
In dageki I had no problems, but I found I was getting thrown alot.
I have to work more on my grappling skills!

[Sonny Crockett]

bad and good news, good news because he have baby, bad because he ritir of fighting... Do you think it s possible to train 1 or 2 time with your team in June when i come?