Kyokushin Mixers

orisha66 · 07-03-2007, 06:22 PM

Just a question to throw out there and have some fun with it.
Which Ryu's do you think make good mixers?
Let's try the kyoku schools first and than let's try other mixers. You can only use two Ryu's of theory. Tell why you think they are good mixes and everyone else should challenge the theos. Lets see where this get's us.
In the Spirit of Budo

orisha66 · 07-03-2007, 06:27 PM

Here is my mixer:
Enshin / Aikido
I feel this is just about perfect because of sabaki waza. perfect to start off with just before unleashing a whirlwind of aiki waza

schuyler · 07-03-2007, 06:37 PM

kyokushin/jujitsu

Sonik · 07-03-2007, 08:54 PM

I'm not gonna put two but 4 - Kyokushin Karate, Kickboxing, Boxing and Ju-jutsu. I would also add Kobu-jutsu and Taikyokuken if there was time for all this.

blackshield · 07-04-2007, 07:58 PM

goju ryu and jiu jitsu

**ksan** · 07-04-2007, 09:12 PM

Kyokushin, Kickboxing and Aikido (Yoshinkan)

Osu

Lucy · 07-04-2007, 10:44 PM

Years ago we used to have an ex boxing pro come into our dojo and work with us it was great! Really helped with my punches! So i'd say kyokushin/Boxing works for me! There's a thought to take it up again! Tried kick boxing, maybe i went to the wrong club, but i didn't like that mix.

feels · 07-04-2007, 11:58 PM

I'm really confused about what this thread is about. Are we talking about Japanese fighting styles combined together for affective MMA? Karate competition with grappling? Self-defense? Street fighting?

**ksan** · 07-05-2007, 07:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by feels

I'm really confused about what this thread is about. Are we talking about Japanese fighting styles combined together for affective MMA? Karate competition with grappling? Self-defense? Street fighting?

Osu

I think its anything goes

Osu

orisha66 · 07-05-2007, 06:18 PM

It is anything goes, just trying to have a little fun with our karate. i was trying to be more realistic with the thread. this is why i said only two systems. It is easy to say four and 5 arts into one, but would it be a smooth transitional art. trying to make it one. find the links that would connect the chain. [example]dont use bicycle chain link for a motorcycle chain link and expect it to work. As i said before...have some fun.

feels · 07-05-2007, 07:58 PM

Ah ha! I see now. Personally, Kyokushin Karate made me more interested in boxing in order to achieve better punching combinations and power.

Realistically, however, I see a lot of karate-ka's end up tangled, where wrestling or judo would be handy for throwing or taking someone down. Kyokushin vs. Sanda videos is difficult to watch sometimes.

After an attempt at kaiten domawashi, it would be nice to know that the kicker was competent on the ground as well, where jiu-jitsu would be handy.

So...
Kyokushin/Boxing
Kyokushin/Judo
Kyokushin/Wrestling
Kyokushin/BJJ

Satori · 07-06-2007, 07:35 AM

Kyokushin/jiu jitsu, with a little bit of boxing for better punches.

A-jay · 07-06-2007, 12:59 PM

Kyokushin for the power and wado ryu karate to ''go with the flow'' of your enemy.
Blocking hard with your shins or lower arm won't work with heavy opponents.
Vice versa, soft punches/kicks aren't always effective.
I think whatever combo you make 1 MA has to give the power and the other should use your opponents attacks against him.
So Aikido could be good too.

orisha66 · 07-06-2007, 05:32 PM

Tomiki aikido is the style of aikido i speak of. Tomiki style is a little more aggressive than Ueshiba. that is why i think Enshin/Aikido is a perfect mixer.
One thing is for sure, Kyokushin has evolved so much in such a short time. that maybe the reason kyoku can just about mix with anything is because of the different challenges that Sosai had with so many different fighters.

**SHIDOKANATLANTA** · 07-07-2007, 12:22 AM

YouTube - Shidokan Team USA 2004 Highlights
Shidokan karate is the perfect mixer. Check out this highlight clip of a Shidokan Tournament. The format is Triathlon Rules (bare knuckle, thaiboxing, mma). In the tournaments fighters from all disciplines are invited (but of those who are cross trained in all three facets do better than one who trains in only one discipline). Shidokan US Open started out as a bare knuckle karate tournament and then boxing gloves were worn to break ties. In the early '90s grappling rounds were added and now the Triathlon (sport aspect) represents the concept of being a more complete martial artist. The sport is a lab that allows us to see what is effective. The art of Shidokan emcompasses traditional kihon and kata, muay thai, boxing, and submission grappling as part of it's curriculum. All students must gain some proficiency in all.

blackshield · 07-07-2007, 12:35 AM

those guys are hard... any shidokan in vancouver BC?

**SHIDOKANATLANTA** · 07-07-2007, 02:16 PM

I don't know if there are any shidokan practioneers in vancouver. I know that there are some in Canada. You have Rino Belcastro, Thomas Kurcharezki and John Kazuba with Mady's Karate (they have been successful in Shidokan competition), but I not sure where in Canada. Try looking up Mady's Dojo and he can refer you to someone convenient. The great thing about these type of events is that they allow any martial artist (regardless of style) to compete and gives fighters an equal chance to win (not favoring one style over the next). 80% of Shidokan tournament matches end in KOs or TKOs. There will be a small percentage of submission victories and even smaller with decisions. In case of a draw, there is an extension round. We try not to leave it in the hands of the judges. The fighters are going to decide the outcome. With this, you find out which techniques work most efficiently. Go to youtube and look under shidokan (there are many tournament videos from around the world).

OSU

seienchin · 07-07-2007, 03:12 PM

Kyokushin with S.A.W. (Submission Arts wrestling). After I got my shodan, I decided to deal with my vulnerability "on the ground". Added SAW training to my regime 2 nights per week for 2 years. Did a few gradings. Got better at grappling, throwing, falling, and my fave, foot sweeping.

I feel like it rounded me out.

blackshield · 07-11-2007, 10:02 PM

i think mady's karate is isshin ryu... as far as i can tell - doesn't look like they have any of this out my way anyhow. If you are ver in the uk you can try daigaku karate kai in london for something with a similar 'hollistic' approach. They don't do the tournament format, but spar full contact striking with throws, takedowns, grappling, groundwork, submissions etc...

vapor · 07-11-2007, 11:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by seienchin

Kyokushin with S.A.W. (Submission Arts wrestling). After I got my shodan, I decided to deal with my vulnerability "on the ground". Added SAW training to my regime 2 nights per week for 2 years. Did a few gradings. Got better at grappling, throwing, falling, and my fave, foot sweeping.

I feel like it rounded me out.

I misread the post at first and thought...how would you learn foot sweeping from Submission ARM Wrestling....??!!

silly me.

vapor

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