[R rated]Koi no takinobori ryu kakuto karate training

machbaga · 12-29-2007, 08:10 AM

YouTube - KOI Hokutoki Seminar2003_Part14
please share your thoughts on such crzay training.

Kurisu · 12-29-2007, 10:14 AM

Looks pretty stupid to me.

kidflash · 12-29-2007, 01:36 PM

just look at the bald guy with the tattoos and you know whats up with this...

**smoothsake** · 12-29-2007, 07:12 PM

Please tell me this is not happening at a Kyokushin dojo....

**jcbel** · 12-29-2007, 09:29 PM

Looks like a couple of different styles decided to get together for some "extra-curricular" training... but yea I found it pretty disturbing.

I agree with some of the comments on YouTube, why didn't he demonstrate the strangling exercise on himself, and why are all the people there white belts? Are they the only ones foolish enough to buy into this?

joeurgod · 12-29-2007, 10:58 PM

i thought that was absolutely retarded. if that was a kyokushin dojo, that guy needs to be expelled from the organization.

eamoncramb · 12-29-2007, 11:21 PM

thts like kyokushin turned millitary

Miguel · 12-30-2007, 01:28 AM

Ah you kill all your brain cells during training so you don't lose any when you get hit during the fight. Genius!! Seriously no disrespect to the shihan (I know he comes from kudo) but that kind of training seems unhelpful and useless.

Davidkyokushinstudent · 01-05-2008, 03:10 PM

Stupidity. Pure and simple.

I think this is a perfect example of the wrong kind of person teaching martial arts! He is obviously sadistic. Why is he doing it only to the white belts? Also, I noticed alot of different ganji's, exactly what style does this sick man teach?

**supergroup7** · 01-05-2008, 04:35 PM

From what I saw, I'm thinking that the Sensei is focusing on artificially bringing the student to that point of sparring when you start having troubles focusing due to physical fatigue, and lack of oxygen supply to the brain. It appeared that he was encourageing them to use their will power to stay alert as long as possible, and to focus on their breathing while the blood supply was being cut off similar to being in a choke hold. This kind of intense training could help someone not panic should they be placed in a similar position in the future. They may be able to keep calm, and react within those few extra seconds to protect themselves.

I do not believe that they train in this way at every class, but that this was one of those special seminar moments when you train in something that you normally do not do during daily classes.

The Kanji on their Gi jackets does not look like our typical Kyokushin Kanji.

The lettering beside the video looks Russian.

**nzproud** · 01-05-2008, 09:21 PM

Osu. I have no idea how the military in Russia trains but I'm guessing they are integrating some of their hard military trainings in their karate training.

Russians are surely getting stronger at this sport though!

**jcbel** · 01-05-2008, 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by supergroup7

From what I saw, I'm thinking that the Sensei is focusing on artificially bringing the student to that point of sparring when you start having troubles focusing due to physical fatigue, and lack of oxygen supply to the brain. It appeared that he was encourageing them to use their will power to stay alert as long as possible, and to focus on their breathing while the blood supply was being cut off similar to being in a choke hold. This kind of intense training could help someone not panic should they be placed in a similar position in the future. They may be able to keep calm, and react within those few extra seconds to protect themselves.

Osu supergroup7, you make a good argument for the training but I would think that this kind of training would be reserved for advanced students?

It seems very suspicious to me that no grades higher than white belt are present. I would expect at least another black belt to be supervising and have medical staff nearby if you want to venture into this kind of training.

**nzproud** · 01-05-2008, 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by jcbel

and have medical staff nearby if you want to venture into this kind of training.

I agree!!!

**supergroup7** · 01-05-2008, 10:10 PM

I would think that this kind of training would be reserved for advanced students?

In an effort to see the positive in this kind of training, I will put forth the idea that many times in various grappling moments during martial arts training, one could be placed in a choke hold, and faint without tapping out thereby increasing the amount of time they had no blood supply to the brain. It could be quite a good amount of time before their partner notices. I wouldn't be upset to see this as I know that as soon as blood is allowed to rush back to the brain everything will be o.k.

What I found makes this seminar exercise so frightening to look at is watching that obi being tied around the neck, and tightened. Every nerve in me jumped in shock at that scene. I had to ask myself " How long did the Sensei in this video keep the student without blood supply?" From what I saw it was less than 20 seconds. The Sensei did closed off the blood supply in a very controlled way, and made sure that the tension was released as soon as the student succumbed.

As for medical staff.. yes I agree, it would be a good thing to have someone well versed in case something went very wrong. Perhaps we can hope that one of the students attending the seminar was a nurse, or doctor, or maybe the Sensei, himself has that kind of training... It's hard to tell when all that we see is people wearing karate gi.

I'm not sure if this video is Russian, but if it is, I cannot blame their karate dojo for training so intensely. Russia has gone through such an upheaval in the past years, and organized crime is rampant. If you'd like to read about this, I found an article called "Russia's road to corruption"

Kiryu · 07-29-2008, 10:28 PM

Damn!!
That crazy!!
Russian fighter do have awesome will!!

blazindave · 07-29-2008, 10:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by supergroup7

From what I saw, I'm thinking that the Sensei is focusing on artificially bringing the student to that point of sparring when you start having troubles focusing due to physical fatigue, and lack of oxygen supply to the brain. It appeared that he was encourageing them to use their will power to stay alert as long as possible, and to focus on their breathing while the blood supply was being cut off similar to being in a choke hold. This kind of intense training could help someone not panic should they be placed in a similar position in the future. They may be able to keep calm, and react within those few extra seconds to protect themselves.

I do not believe that they train in this way at every class, but that this was one of those special seminar moments when you train in something that you normally do not do during daily classes.

The Kanji on their Gi jackets does not look like our typical Kyokushin Kanji.

The lettering beside the video looks Russian.

Agreed and i actually see nothing wrong with it.
Everyone was in control and their was no stupid tough guy mentality. The moment the line was broken, everyone rushed to help the guy (try to wake him up, loosen the ropes, etc). You can tell this was real training and not some stupid crap to be tough guys.
I also think it's a special "class". There were too few people. One day you might be put in a situation where someone is trying to choke you out, classes like these can help.
The shirt off part might be dumb, but i think it is an interesting exercise that teaches you how to be mentally strong. The fact that the students could move (they werent tied or held down) and chose to bear it until their limit without flinching is a testament to their spirit.
Sorry if it sounds barbaric :P

Dent · 07-30-2008, 05:10 AM

Osu!

Quote:

Originally Posted by supergroup7

In an effort to see the positive in this kind of training, I will put forth the idea that many times in various grappling moments during martial arts training, one could be placed in a choke hold, and faint without tapping out thereby increasing the amount of time they had no blood supply to the brain. It could be quite a good amount of time before their partner notices. I wouldn't be upset to see this as I know that as soon as blood is allowed to rush back to the brain everything will be o.k.

I don't know of any instant chokes, and I've choked out enough people to know that there is both time for a tap, as well as a very specific set of reactions before someone goes out/ after they go out.

Other than a very serious situation, I would recommend that no-one knock out another individual with a choke, and certainly not choke them out and hold it there for any period of time. Sometimes the blood does rush back, but not everything is ok. I've seen convulsions, and vomit getting stuck in their throats.

I can't support this type of activity. IMO, it crosses the border from training to abuse.

Osu!

**ksan** · 07-30-2008, 03:25 PM

Think we already discussed this video a while ago (its not new to me anyways)...

I wouldnt stay in the room if they started that.. group liability and all that stuff when it goes wrong....

Dent · 07-30-2008, 03:49 PM

Osu!

Quote:

Originally Posted by ksan

I wouldnt stay in the room if they started that.. group liability and all that stuff when it goes wrong....

I think that you and a few others on this Forum would be voices of reason, and dissuade the others from doing this.

Osu!

SenseiShihouken · 07-30-2008, 03:57 PM

Reminds me of a taking judo when we all went through the right of passage of being choked out. It was a one time deal.

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