Kids shouldn't be in MMA?

funkmasterx · 04-14-2008, 09:29 PM

Senator McCain and Sean Hanity have both expressed strong resentment towards kids training in MMA and Martial Arts. Here is the other side of the argument... Our side.

Go visit intentionalfoul the website. Just add ".com" to the end of that name, all one word.

Kurisu · 04-14-2008, 09:43 PM

I'm not against kids training in MMA, however I cringe when I see kids in a cage. Actually, I cringe when I see anyone fighting in a cage... I'm of the belief that cages are for animals. I think that's why I liked Pride more than UFC because a ring is more dignified.

Dent · 04-14-2008, 09:47 PM

Osu!

Rather than open up a political can of worms, I particularly recommend that all USA American forum members find out Mr McCain's attitude toward the MA. I think it will have an effect on your views of the upcoming election.

Osu!

Angelslayer · 04-14-2008, 09:50 PM

I dont know MMA is a real tough sport. I dont know if I would want kids knowing how to do armbars and triangle holds. Kids dont exactly have restraint. I mean if parents want their kids to learn self defence and stay in shape whats wrong with a traditional martial art? Then again mcain and hanity also dont want martial arts. I want to say it should be up to the parents but then again Ive met too many stupid people with kids so who knows

Angelslayer · 04-14-2008, 09:55 PM

Mmmm tastes like spam!

yeah why have martial arts exploit your kids when tv, movies, music, and even other grown ups have been doing it so well for so long.

who wants to go see hanna montana?!

funkmasterx · 04-14-2008, 10:02 PM

well... the problem is, these kids (my students included) are learning things that kids have been learning for decades. Wrestling and some form of striking (for my students- karate). Now these politicians are attacking ALL martial arts, make no mistake about it. Not just those "in an octagon". I mean look at Tiger Schulamnns. What is their website? that's right, tsk dot com. Tiger Schulamnns Karate... However walk into any one of these franchises and "Tiger schulmanns MMA" and "Mixed Martial Arts" is everywhere. They changed the name, but it's just a ploy to feed of of a popular buzz right now...

I've been doing "MMA" before it was "MMA" I wrestled in HS and College and earned two separate Black Belts. I think there's a lot that feel being a well rounded fighter is important.

P.S. The Democrats are jokes, and even I cringe at this situation!

funkmasterx · 04-14-2008, 10:06 PM

huh? You lost me...

seienchin · 04-14-2008, 10:12 PM

FunkmasterX - you started two almost identical threads - I have moved the responses from one of them into this thread, and deleted the other thread. This will consolidate the discussion into one place.

funkmasterx · 04-14-2008, 10:43 PM

seienchin- why did this get buried here? The other location had several responses and seemed to be more on the table. This forum doesn't seem as "popular" and its like you buried it here now, to die. While this topic does extend slightly into MMA, if you investigate into these men's views and official platforms, you'd see they are attacking all the Martial Arts. Further more the kids that are are in the "cock fights" are typically studying at traditional dojos. This is an issue that should be in the main gallery, if no where else. Please put it back in the other forum so more see it and realize what's going on here. I wasn't aware that a topic could only be discussed once, as this topic seemed to stretch across multiple issues. So I wanted to raise awareness both in the general discussion forum, as well as in those that are so into "MMA". Please put this thread back over there if anyway.

Thank you.

Angelslayer · 04-14-2008, 10:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by funkmasterx

huh? You lost me...

in the deleted thread you mentioned that senators thought
MA was exploiting kids. I think thats total bs (apart from mcdojos) since the world was built for exploiting everyone

funkmasterx · 04-14-2008, 10:57 PM

Angelslayer- Well, of course I expected you to be a well informed individual instead of just whining and throwing out nonsense. That's who this whole thing started. Senator McCain and the Republicans have taken the stance that "MMA" is barbaric and "human cock fighting". They have lumped ALL martial arts (from Karate and Kung Fu to Kick Boxing to wrestling) into one pot and stated that parents that are having their kids partake in these activities are exploiting their kids. Also, they seem to think that martial arts tournaments for youth are some sort of money making venture. If that was the truth, everyone would be hosting them. No rather it comes down to those that have a passion for what they do and want to get their own kids the competition.

Before you starting saying "spam" meaning the site wasn't legit; then you're talking about how MA is exploiting kids? And the world? You sound like a Jack-A that just spits out "wah wah, everyone is out to get me" garbage.

I happen to be a Republican, but even I can't turn a blind eye to this. This is negative and hurtful situation that can hurt already dwindling numbers at dojo's across the nation. They are bad mouthing the best thing I ever got into (including football, basketball, etc). Not just on a health stance, but on a character building level too. I WISH every kid in America took some MA! We wouldn't see the PATHETIC decay of morals and HUMAN DECENCY that were are on the high school and even GRADE SCHOOL level, now a days.

P.S. I will agree mcdojo's are out to exploit kids, and parents to milk their money, but this isn't about them. Get off that horse man. Open you eyes to the bigger picture; those schools aren't the ones being attacked. The ones where the kids stay for years and actually learn things are the ones being attacked here! THAT'S THE PROBLEM.

vapor · 04-15-2008, 01:14 AM

Funkmasterx-

Perhaps you should breath a little, so that you don't get off on the wrong foot.

Also, please review the rules that govern this site, and the ones that seienchin was enforcing are:

8. No spamming in the forums, no double/triple postings in unnecessary ways

9. Please do NOT be offended if your thread/post is deleted/edited.

If you can understand and abide by the rules, fine.
If not...

vapor

Angelslayer · 04-15-2008, 01:16 AM

what is vapor?

vapor · 04-15-2008, 01:16 AM

vapor is my username...and ever post is signed with it at the bottom...

vapor

**Mikemok1981** · 04-15-2008, 01:17 AM

When did you get the honorific of Uber mod?

Dent · 04-15-2008, 01:55 AM

Osu!

IMO, the first wave will try and control the obvious in MMA. If they get that domino to fall, we're next.

Although I can't say that we are in the same boat, I learned this in school, and it has always stuck with me.

"In Germany, they came first for the Communists, And I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a Communist;

And then they came for the trade unionists, And I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a trade unionist;

And then they came for the Jews, And I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a Jew;

And then . . . they came for me . . . And by that time there was no one left to speak up."
Pastor Martin Niemöller (1892–1984)

Being aware of any and all legislation is our best defense against waking up to being criminals.

Osu!

ori51 · 04-15-2008, 03:08 AM

I believe that kids not only should,
but its more of an essential because if you let more kids in the cage
then in the future they are going to become better fighters,
I'm 15 and been training since i was 3.
For 7 1/2 years i did Showlin Kempo and Ju Jitsu,
and then i took a break for a year and started to train again for MMA
im training every day of the week,
Mui Tai, Ju Jitsu, Boxing, and kickboxing and its great.
the longer people train the better they get.
its that simple

tobiseikentsuki · 04-15-2008, 04:41 AM

Osu, just my two cents,

I saw this in the news here in Australia, and i sorta was disgusted by children trying to imitate chuck lidell inside a cage whist the other was playing as randy couture. Being a teenager myself, i found it quite horrific to see kids doing that sorta stuff. Kids do not normally have the mentality to know how to use what they're taught "practically", as in they may use some of the stuff that they learnt to intimidate other kids at school, unless, they have a strong discipline instilled into them by their parents. I was also abit petrified to look back at my past knowing that i was taught all this stuff to use as self-defence such as striking the throat at ages such as 6. But, in a way, it is beneficial for the child and on the other end of the stick it presents itself as a double-edged sword (sorry for the metaphors). Well, this is only coming from a 16 year old.

One,
TobiSeikenTsukis

seienchin · 04-15-2008, 11:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by funkmasterx

seienchin- why did this get buried here? The other location had several responses and seemed to be more on the table. This forum doesn't seem as "popular" and its like you buried it here now, to die. While this topic does extend slightly into MMA, if you investigate into these men's views and official platforms, you'd see they are attacking all the Martial Arts. Further more the kids that are are in the "cock fights" are typically studying at traditional dojos. This is an issue that should be in the main gallery, if no where else. Please put it back in the other forum so more see it and realize what's going on here. I wasn't aware that a topic could only be discussed once, as this topic seemed to stretch across multiple issues. So I wanted to raise awareness both in the general discussion forum, as well as in those that are so into "MMA". Please put this thread back over there if anyway.

Thank you.

HI funkmasterx - there is no conspiracy to bury your thread -quite the contrary. - I just assessed which of your two threads had already had the most hits and posts in response, and kept the more active thread alive. I preserved the responses in the less active thread, and transferred them across, to broaden the debate. If something was lost by the differences between your two thread starters, I apologise, but as Vapor has posted - double posts and you are leaving it up to the Mods which version gets kept alive. You want certainty - post clean, post once.

I see that this thread is now enjoying a reasonable amount of action - but I am happy to move it if you are still unhappy. Our observation is that the majority of regular forum users navigate by the "unread posts" button, not via particular forums, anyway.

Just tell me exactly where you want it moved to and I will be happy to assist.

On topic - I would just like to endorse our resident 16 year old - Tobiseikentsuki - you have expressed it eloquently, and I agree with your expressed discomfort at the thought of little kids being taught full-on dangerous techniques. Just imagine the fight over the tonka truck at kindy!!!

Don't apologise for being young - it is a failing (or a strength) that we have all had at one time in our lives....just longer ago for some of us than others.

kyokushin4life · 04-16-2008, 10:16 AM

Osu. funkmasterx san. Since the topic title says I think it is in a right forum.. Please remember that this is a public forum. I have noticed that you introduced yourself in the introduction forum. We all know where you come from(unless you are lying but why would you?).

Back to topic, in my personal opinion I wouldn't want to see young kids fighting in MMA but very light contact may be okay. Definitely not okay if they do hard contact with minor protections.

Osu.

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