Best P4P fighter in the UFC

[Dent]

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Originally Posted by seienchin

I learn so much in the forum!! gotta love it. I am just looking forward to the next time my Boss is talking about P4P, and I can say - "Why - who are you going to fight??"

And you wonder why non-Karateka look at us funny?!

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[Dent]

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Originally Posted by tobiseikentsuki

Thinking about it, sumo isn't very practical.........i think

One,
TobiSeikenKsubi

Training regime aside (Brutal), I think a couple of slaps from a 440 pounder (That's 200Kg for our metric friends ), would be fairly practical. Not so sure about anyone less than half that though.

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[ushideshinidan]

Originally Posted by Dent

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I thought that this would be a great topic for discussion. Do you think he's better than Anderson Silva? If so, why?

Who else can claim the P4P title? (Current and past crop fighting at this level)

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I do... Please, understand that I have the outmost respect for the Spider he is definitely one of the top at this game but here's why I think that GSP is superior and my analysis on this. Please comment if you don't agree.

Physically: GSP has the perfect body symmetry; Long and powerful arms (reach), shorter upper body (smaller target, less grip, quicker to react, to get out), Long and powerful legs (reach, power, stability (with proper stance)). The spider has a longer upper body, bigger target, more grip etc.
GSP symmetry allows him to move quicker and to spin quicker either to attack or defend himself. I feel that GSP is more explosive and more muscular (just enough) than the spider. BTW if he tries to move category, it would be a big mistake because he would ruin the recipe, muscle size- energy-cardio-quickness-center of gravity.
Cardio: Both athletes have equally an incredible cardio
Ground game: Wrestling: GSP over spider, Ju Jitsu: Not sure...I would have said spider but after what happed to Serra and the way GSP reacted, I am not sure anymore.
Fighting and defending from the ground: I think that because of his explosiveness, body shape and wrestling skills, GSP has an advantage.
Fighting standing up: Both fighters have long arms, long reach. GSP is a lot more technical the way he throws punches because of his Kyokushin skills. Silva on the other hand lands his punches in a very effective way. I do feel that Silva is not has technical standing up and that he won a lot of fights because punches were coming from everywhere, jungle style (remind me of Texeira). GSP is a better boxer than Silva (he is working with the Grant family) but didn't have a chance to prove it yet (I think).
Balance: Both athletes have incredible balance and are great to defend takedowns. Silva has in proportion longer but smaller legs than GSP and therefore a higher center of gravity. His long legs help him a lot to defend himself but when both of his legs are being held, he goes down. GSP bigger legs, stronger, faster, lower center of gravity gives him an edge to prevent takedowns. He proved it over and over in the past.

That is my evaluation of the situation but again, understand that I enjoy to watch and that I have the outmost respect for both fighters.
One more thing...I think that both fighters are getting better fight after fight and that the best for both fighters is to come...
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[Dent]

Osu! UshiDeshiNidan,

Great analysis!

For Silva, I would have to say that the long body is a big plus in the clinch, and on the mat. I've had the chance to work with guys built like that, and they are so hard to turn because of it.

Angles. Hum. I've not trained with that Spider, but another guy with the same nick in the UK. Very similar body type, and also unpredictable angles. It's just very, very hard to train for that with anyone other than the guy you'll be facing. (Ask Rich Franklin. )

I agree that for GSP to move up could be a big mistake. There are too many natural 200 pounders in that division, with the speed to make him hurt.

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[SHIDOKANATLANTA]

gsp will probably fight john fitch next. fitch is an all american champion wrestler who haas very good stand up. he is the only fighter to win 7 straight fights in the ufc since royce gracie. he was a walk on to perdue university's wrestling team and by the time he was a senior he was captain (and a 3x all american). he tried out for the first ultimate fighter season I, but got cut (so didn't get on). he has defeated josh burkman, thiago alves, and luigi fiorvanti (all ufc fighters) in a tournament a couple of years back (all in one day). he also went up in weight and beat yushin okami. so instead of comparing gsp to silva, i think we need to throw fitch into the mix and see how gsp does against him. that would definitely be a challenge.

[Dent]

Osu! ShidokanAtlanta,

That sounds like an impressive resume! I look forward to a big match.

Thanks!

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[Fabian]

Fitch is an unbelievable athlete. i think he is going to be Huge in the ufc.

[olyckan]

When talking P4P these Fighters come up. BJ Penn, St Pierre, Anderson Silva, Fedor Emilionenko. They all can claim to be the best P4P fighter in the world. However in my mind there is only one right now that is truly the P4P best fighter in the world and that is GSP.. No one has impressed me more in his last few fights. He has totally overwhelmed and dominated his opponents. Sure Anderson Silva has also put up very good performances but not as mindblowing/crushing performances as GSP has shown us.. He totally dominated a wrestler on the ground, he beat Serra who is a bjj blackbelt in BJJ easily also and then they say GSPs standup is also overwhelming.. Anderson Silva is good but there is no fighter that has shown to be more complete then GSP lately.. NONE!! To think that his base is Kyukoshin is also really nice, but I overlook that and only compare the fighters for what they have performed.. Best MMA fighters right now. BJ Penn, St Pierre, Anderson Silva, Quinton Jackson, Fedor Emilionenko( to even think that Randy Coutore would stand a chance is just silly, if they ever meet, Randy will be hospitalised)... The scary thing right now is that I feel that there are none who actually is a serious threat right now to either of em, they are so dominant that they all have started looking at other challenges.. They could move up or down some weightclasses to find new challanges but that in my mind would just be silly. You dont see boxers going up and down in weightdivisions to prove anything so why should these guys do it.. Instead they should focus on getting the longest unbeaten streak possible..

[SHIDOKANATLANTA]

olykan,

you are wrong to say that boxers don't go up and down in weight classes to find new challenges. there are countless fighters throughout history to prove that (hollyfield, mayweather, roy jones, hopkins, wright, trinadad, toney, sugar ray robinson, leonard, duran, etc...). as they get older they get heavier or the go up for the money.

yes, gsp beat mat serra, but mat is a small welterweight (use to be a lightweight) and gsp is a big welterweight. his victory over bj penn was controversial. silva has not been past the second round in five years. he has beaten the pride light heavyweight and middleweight champion, he's beaten the king of pancrase champion, he's beaten a wec champion, he's beaten a king of the cage champ and he's beaten the ufc middleweight champion. gsp beaten mat hughes in the golden age of his reign. he beat a small sean sherk. as in my previous posts, john fitch should be a real good challenge for gsp. comparing their stats, fitch has the better statistics (see sherdog). so, i will still have to say that anderson silva is the hottest fighter right now, based on the statistics.

[Dent]

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Regarding Fedor E vs Randy C, only a match will close this book. The UFC hasn't come up with the cash to make it happen though. Both guys have a lot to lose, and neither is willing to gift the UFC a huge payday at the expense of their own reputation.

It would be sad if this match doesn't happen until neither is a real champ anymore.

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[olyckan]

How many unbeaten champs in boxing have you seen that decide to go up a weightclass. There are not that many, still this is talked about alot in the MMA world. Hendo did it in pride, possibly anderson will do it now. There are several examples like Randy dropping down a weightclass and so on.. My statistics on boxing isnt that good as it is in the MMA world wich i have followed closely since the birth of both pride and the UFC.. In the end it will be a personal decision to make. Look at Fedor he has demolished all his opponents, something i cant say about Randy. And yes i give you that Anderson Silva is a good champ but he hasnt shown that overpowerdness that I think GSP has shown lately. Anderson Silva was in big big trouble against Lutter, but he still managed to pull off a win.. Imo GSP is better but i understand those that want to go with Anderson SIlva as P4P to..

[MaximNYC]

i would have to say st.peirre , hes kyokushin too

[Sonik]

I would like to see Anderson Silva in K-1 Dream against Melvin Manhoef. That would be an awsome fight.

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[tomsits]

and chuck liddell?

[Dent]

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Tomsits? What about Chuck Liddell? Do you consider him to be the best? Aren't his losses against Rampage Jackson a good argument against his being the best?

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[Jake_Osu]

I have alot of respect for GSP but i think Anderson silva is the greatest P4P fighter in the UFC, he is fighting at 205 pounds in a few weeks against james Irvin, a very heavy hitter. I think he will win and i think that this will be the start of his campaigne to become the best P4P fighter in the UFC.
I also think the GSP could be beaten by Bj Pen, he is an incredible fighter who outstruck GSP in their first match and would have one if he wansn't so unfit, but he is training hard now and if the UFC grants him a fight against GSP then i think he will win. He has to be another contender for P4P fighter of the UFC and i think we will see that if he is allowed to fight at both lightweight and welterweight.

[Dent]

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Originally Posted by Jake_Osu

I have alot of respect for GSP but i think Anderson silva is the greatest P4P fighter in the UFC, he is fighting at 205 pounds in a few weeks against james Irvin, a very heavy hitter. I think he will win and i think that this will be the start of his campaigne to become the best P4P fighter in the UFC.

The fight between A. Silva and J. Irvin will not be a walk in the park for Silva. He's not moving up because of weight issues, but to try and snag that 205 crown as well.

That's a tough division, with some heavy hitters (Like Irvin), and all of them carry more weight naturally than the Spider. I respect his decision to do it, but I wonder what weight he'll be coming in at on the 18th?

Irvin has a lot of knockouts to his credit, but he's unpredictable with them, and he's only seen the third round twice, I think. I also think he'll enter the cage at about 215+ rather than 205.

I'd like to see Silva win, but IMO it isn't a shoo-in...

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[coopwaldo]

i have to agree with gsp being the best all though bj penn is right up there. i have to see more of lyoto machida to get an opinion but he disposed of tito ortiz pretty easily

[ushideshinidan]

I have to say that I love BJ Penn's 'personna'. He is a very good fighter, colorful and maybe more in shape that people think he. He is quick and very explosive. He's got a big mouth and can create controversy. Being a J.J black belt isn't nothing...
That being said, I do not think that his all around game is as comlete as GSP's.
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