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09-05-2007, 08:54 AM
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#41
I normally drink Powerade's Isotonic drinks during the summer
Powerade > Products > Powerade Isotonic I normally stay away from Caffiene drinks in summer, as it has the jolt of energy, then the lackluster feeling 15mins later 
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09-05-2007, 10:32 AM
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#42
I dont drink coffee for the caffeine - I drink it because I like it all year round.
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09-05-2007, 12:35 PM
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#43
Sorry if my post is a bit off topic but I don't want to create another thread.
One thing we probably all know but not realize is that even in the old day, our great heroes did take all kind of 'special' food too e.g. turtle's blood and many weird herbs. Do you call it cheating ? I do think about this subject quite a lot. Personally, I don't even think that taking those illegal drug are cheating or goes against the spirit, some people are risking their health to improve the performance, so it is their choice. We all try to abuse our body beyond its limit, don't we ? If you train hard like 12hours a day, you probably will have problems later in life, same with taking drug. I think if drinking red-bull or any other stuffs helps one training, she/he can do it without feeling guilty. I am sure if our great masters were given the choices or lived in our modern world, many would do the same. I've tried a couple of supplements before and sometime they work sometime they don't so I can't not tell. At the end of the day, whatever you take in they do not improve your technique or fighting spirit which for a karate student is more important than strength, endurance, or the amount of oxygen in your blood bla bla .
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09-05-2007, 01:01 PM
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#44
Good point seienchin....
mmm this brings us to the old question if it is legal it is OK?!!? Well, I would say NO. Turtle blood and herbs, that is food from nature...OK, OK so is coffee!!! BUT the "power/energy drinks have nothing from nature in them (excluding the water) everything else is a chemical or processed so much even if it was from nature it no longer is anymore. take smoking for example... Legal is it not?!? Yet it has killed more people than all wars combined! Second hand smoke kills hundreds of thousands a years (and who knows how many family pets die from second hand smoke yearly The effects it has on newborns, either do to mothers smoking will carrying or smoking will breast feeding or just living in the smoke filled home. So I would say that one really needs to take a look at what we put in our bodies closer than what we do today. So often, we are easily convinced that something is good for us do to a "study" or a actor or sports figure endorses it. The marketing for the products is so heavy that we don't even realize that we are being convinced to use, bye something we don't really need or want. I find it so very sad that so many train so hard to achieve perfection for the outer body and the mind, yet ignore the inner body completely by stuffing anything that is Marked natural or Good for you" in the mouth??? Am I a perfect eater, no I though will not eat anything unless it is organic, that is a far cry from eating processed foods/drinks. Do I need pick me ups, yes do I rely on coffee or other sugary or synthetic caffeine drinks to give me the boost NO. If I train and I'm on 75%, then that is my energy level for that training, so be it. The world will not end, the training does not suffer. Perhaps that maybe, just maybe it is not that you need energy to get up to train. But to shut off the TV or computer an hour or 2 earlier every night and get 7-9 hours of sleep!!!
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09-05-2007, 01:07 PM
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#45
Ah Jap Man - it is so nice to see you in full flight, and reminds me of why I think of you as a kindred spirit on so many things...
 I agree - legal does not equal OK if we are aiming "higher" than the average. But if I turn off the computer 2 hours earlier, that will leave less time for K4L.  Vietchau - you do make an interesting point about long term damage from over-training - I guess I am living proof of that in some ways....but I think that hard training, to the point of exhaustion, strengthens the spirit. Taking drugs weakens it, saps the user of resolve, and ultimately, of dignity. Your thinking is somewhat logical...I just don't agree. (That's the beauty of the forum - we can disagree, and still be friends - just like in a dojo). 
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09-05-2007, 01:35 PM
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#46
Hmm but how can you always eat and drink nature products?
For example while being at work, there is just fast food around me and I would really like to eat something "good", do I have to prepare something and eat it cold or maybe warm it up?
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09-05-2007, 01:41 PM
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#47
Jap man: my point is that it can't be wrong or CHEATING to eat/drink processed food or supplements, whether they do any good to our bodies I dunno. Most of us just don't have the time to study carefully what food does what to our body and even 'nutrientist' often disagree. It is just so much easier and cheaper to buy those processed food, like eating 10 eggs a day or 2 protein shakes. I myself can't afford the time and money to eat organic food which many other would find the same.
seienchin : I agree with you that drug weaken the mind and training harden it. I just don't think taking drug is cheating or immoral. If someone thinks drug is the way to go, that's ok. I really want to see a fight between a guy who train 3hours a day + drug vs a guy who trains 5 hours. I think/hope the guy who trains harder will win, but if it is the other way around maybe I should train differently :P .
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09-05-2007, 01:41 PM
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#48
Yes, yes we are seienchin....
And yes on long term damage to the body as well, but that is the price we pay for being who we are... Type A personalities.
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09-05-2007, 01:45 PM
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09-05-2007, 02:10 PM
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If I know I'll be in a area that doesn't have the foods I need I'll bring them or wait till I get home to eat. As for work, I've been brown bagging it since I was 14, so no biggie there. Bring the food you need to get you through the day and night if you train before going home. Fruits are the greatest snacks going, as well "help" replace energy lost during the day. If you believe in something then you accomplish it! Jap man: my point is that it can't be wrong or CHEATING to eat/drink processed food or supplements, whether they do any good to our bodies I dunno. It is not wrong to cut yourself just to cut yourself, but we just don't do it anyway! The same applies to foods and drugs. Is it wrong No is it right NO WAY... Most of us just don't have the time to study carefully what food does what to our body Neither did all those people who died from smoking and look what it got them!!! and even 'nutrient's' often disagree. It is just so much easier and cheaper to buy those processed food, like eating 10 eggs a day or 2 protein shakes. I myself can't afford the time and money to eat organic food which many other would find the same. This is the secret to organic foods... Once you have rid your body of the toxins that is in your body from processed foods and you eat only organic foods you eat less!!! so it cost less. I went from about $120.00 a week in buying processed foods for myself (about 31/2 years ago) to today I spend about $85.00 weekly and eat great daily... Yes that is true, you eat less, why? Well first off you no longer are eating foods that have chemicals inside them that MAKE you crave food even when you are not hungry as well Organic food is absorbed into your system at a much higher usage rate so the body doesn't need massive amounts to get the same (in organic food it is more) benefits to the body. Nutritionist can only teach you about what they are taught in college and colleges do not teach organic lifestyle eating nor can they legally tell you (in the USA) the benefits of eating organically. An most of the nutritionist I have come across could loose 20 or 30 extra pounds themselves... Well how about this You now know that eating processed foods is toxic to your body, so that time is now gone and/or saved. You also now know that eating organic foods will save you money in the long run so that is no longer an issue. So what do you have for an excuse not to take the small amount of time to do a few cleansings to the body to purge the toxins and to get started on eating organic, raw, or wild grown foods??? Last edited by Spirit; 09-05-2007 at 04:55 PM.
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09-05-2007, 02:17 PM
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#51
Nice written jap man
Do you know a website where I can find out how to eat balanced? I have a lot of spare time while "working" and I would like to know more about that But there are so much pages with worthless information on the web, how can I find the good ones?
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09-05-2007, 02:26 PM
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#52
Seienchin,
To me, Karate is the way to become stronger physically and mentally but also to become a better fighter (in tournament and in real life). The first part is the reason I practice Karate. But in a fight what matters is who is the better fighter it doesn't matter how one trained or eat. Let me put it in another way : someone with a knife wants to fight you, should you also grab a knife or a sword to fight back , should you retreat ? Same with when you have to fight someone who takes drug. I think Karate can overcome a knife, so I will fight someone with a knife. But if drug gives a person a huge advantage like a gun does, and karate can not compensate that, I have either to use the same mean i.e. take drug or run  . I do not train for tournament, I am not that good. Nor do I train for real situation, I think take a 'conflict resolving' course that last about 1,2 days is easier and more effective way than spending all those hours in the dojo. But I do want to see how we can push the human performance in any means. And I just don't buy the idea that the real budo spirit disallows drug, the masters just didn't know that they existed. If you gave a samurai a drink and say this will increase your strength by 10% therefore gives you a better chance of surviving the next battle, but it will shorten your life by 5 years. I bet all samurai would take it.
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09-05-2007, 03:00 PM
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#53
Hmm - I don't know what the samurai would have done, but I think it would have related back to their sense of honour.
That venerable text the Hagakure says (amongst some other useful, and some useless things) "Concerning Martial Valour, merit lies more in dying for ones master, than in striking down the enemy". Now, this could be interpreted either way, depending on the societal norms. In our society, drug users are seen as cheats. Their way is the way of dishonour. So, I don't believe that a Samurai would have purchased victory at the price of dishonour. Wouldn't it be cool if we could tardis back, and ask a Samurai?
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09-05-2007, 03:27 PM
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09-05-2007, 03:30 PM
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Nah - just put em away in the freezer - just in case their use becomes honourable in the future!
Nice to spar with you! No injuries, I think!
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09-05-2007, 05:52 PM
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He goes on a little to much on the conspiracy thing, as well about the multi grain bread story, but chapter 6 is a great way to start your new life off. Good skill. Last edited by Spirit; 09-05-2007 at 05:55 PM.
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09-05-2007, 06:53 PM
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, found it at an online book shop
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09-06-2007, 07:20 AM
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The caffiene derived through the decafeination *spelling* process for your store bought decaff coffees is then on sold to companies like RedBull and Coke and all the rest. You can not synthesise *spelling* caffeine. Forgive the spelling I just had a coffee and Im a little jumpy!!!! That was some good yacky!! Ive seen some of the best fighters in Japan chugging canned coffees between hard seesions and they seem to do alright. And RB has only just arrived here, we`ve been abusing it for years in NZ.
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09-07-2007, 12:23 PM
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[quote=Lanky Sempai;31049]That Im afraid is rubbish.
The caffiene derived through the decafeination *spelling* process for your store bought decaff coffees is then on sold to companies like RedBull and Coke and all the rest. You can not synthesise *spelling* caffeine.quote] mmm, that is interesting? Though one of my students is in the coffee biz, and I was at one of his coffee makers just a few weeks ago and they did not sell the caffeine of the spelling of decapitation coffee, as well he knows of no one who does and he is familiar with many around the world ? Please inform us of how and where it is done...
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09-08-2007, 09:08 AM
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[quote=jap man;31123] Quote:
As could be used here--- Decapitation (the removal of a head from the torso) Decaffienation (the removal of caffiene from coffee beans. |