Red Bull and various other energy drinks (Taurine)

[Shokei Marcsui]

Hello everyone.

I was wondering if my fellow karateka drink Red Bull or any other energy drink containing (Taurine) to boost their overall performance in karate?

I've developed a habit of drinking a red bull before kyokushin class or working out. I can definitely tell the difference between a day when i've had it and a day when i've gone without. It gives me explosive energy after a long day at work going in to kyokushin class.

Thoughts? Opinions? Favorite brand?

Currently i'm drinking Sugar Free Red-Bull and I cycle off every other week with Sobe Adrenaline Rush.

[vapor]

I found that it dehydrates me when I have one before working out....gummy mouth!!

vapor

[georginio1977]

I do same like u. Before training i drink one red bull or one strong cofee. Many times after cofee i take one aspirin.... and in the training i work like maniac... hehehehehe.

[Shokei Marcsui]

Originally Posted by vapor

I found that it dehydrates me when I have one before working out....gummy mouth!!

vapor

You know what's funny... I was drinking my Red Bull at work while posting this and read your comment and thought to myself, "I've never felt like that". Sure enough, today I got that "gummy" cotton mouth feeling during practice and thought... that this is was my mind playing tricks on me.

Thanks Vapor

[vapor]

Originally Posted by Shokei Marcsui

You know what's funny... I was drinking my Red Bull at work while posting this and read your comment and thought to myself, "I've never felt like that". Sure enough, today I got that "gummy" cotton mouth feeling during practice and thought... that this is was my mind playing tricks on me.

Thanks Vapor

No problems!! If you want advice on any other topics that are troubling you...I have a million answers....just put your thearapist on speed dial, because it will mess with your mind!!

vapor

[nzproud]

Osu! Personally I wouldn't drink much of energy drinks b4 training even if it's not fizzy or not. Mayb some supplements for special occasions but I wanna be as natural as I can be. I take protein anyway

[Spirit]

Are the old should I or do you “?”...

Well this is what I’ll say on the energy drinks (which pertains to foods and supplements as well)
DON’T DRINK or EAT any food or drink that is not Organic.
If you must or need to drink or eat processed foods do not eat or drink diet or sugar free they are the worst of the worst.
Sugar free foods or drink contain (to many to name) chemicals that act and taste like sugars; they are directly linked to cancer and other chronic problems.

If you need energy so badly before training then 3 things you need to do....
1) Get plenty of sound sleep 8-10 hours, wake up everyday at the same time without an alarm going off train your internal clock to wake daily (work day or not)
2) Eat a balanced diet of organic foods 3- 5 times daily, again at the same time very day along with plenty of pure water, Not tap or bottled water also drink raw milk as well. Stay away from pork (pork takes 5-7 days to digest in the human body) or cow (high in fat and low in protein and loaded with harmful chemicals) and eat deer, elk, bear etc for meat if you need to.
3) Drink or eat Organic apple cider or a big (2 or 3 small) Organic Apples before training. On nights you train eat, carbs before training i.e. pasta, potato, etc and after eat or drink protein.

What you eat transfers to how well you can train, how strong your body will be and how well you are capable to think...

[Shokei Marcsui]

I agree 110% with you Sensei Mark.

I do try my best to eat a balanced diet and I exercise quite a bit. Organic foods can be quite expensive and eating well takes preparation and time.

Unfortunately at the moment time is something of a luxury for me. Full time work, full time school and studies keep me to an average of 6.5 to 7 hours of sleep during the week. By Thursday I am sometimes dragging, but i've learned to cope with such a schedule.

Can you think of any organic energy boosting properties out on the market? Liquid or pill form? Besides creatine or nitric oxide.

[brianc692]

If I do not have sufficient time between work and training I also have a diet Red Bull and you can tell the differene 20 mins after drinking it. I also have tried relentless which is similar but in a 440ml can !!!

[Shokei Marcsui]

One of the problems with Red Bull or any energy drink is timing so that you go to sleep at a decent hour. There have been plenty of times where i've taken a Red Bull later in the evening around 7pm and not gone to bed until 4am.

I have to take my red bull by 3:30pm so that I will be at my energy peak when get to kyokushin and then come down right around 11pm or midnight so that I can go to sleep.

[Spirit]

OK,
so it seems that everyone is on the red bull drug?!? I thaough that karateka look to inener strenth and power and don't fall to the weakness of drugs????????
Yes red bull is a drug how can that be well let us look at it this way all drug are made up of synthetics and so is red bull.......
It stimulates you like all drugs do ?

Organic food is no different that processes foods to buy (unless the country you live in may have limits)
The best energy foods are the carbs before workout also apples as a pick up.

By using red bull or anything like it your body becomes dependent on that pick me up to train and you are making yourself weaker not stronger.

Power naps are also great for energy 10-20 minutes can really re-charge the body.
Always training is not always the best thing, if the body needs rest give it rest, it if far better to give it rest when it needs it than thinking you'll gain it back on the weekend etc. You can never regain rest once lost, so you need to give the body what the body calls out for. training smart is the best training of all

[Shokei Marcsui]

Red bull is not a drug. The primary component is Taurine and is in no way addicting in nature.

So then I am to assume as well that supplements such as creatine and nitric oxide are drugs as well? And that users are "cheating" the true budo spirit of karate?

These elements occur naturally in nature and in living organisms. Science and sport science help us to provide a better quality of life both in the dojo and out.

[vapor]

Let's keep this civil.

If this thread starts getting personal, or there is a hint of an attack- it will be locked.

vapor

[Shokei Marcsui]

I apologize if the tone of my post seemed retaliatory in nature. It was in no way a spark to an argument and just a point as to a fact about drug enhacing medicine (steriods) versus herbal supplements (creatine, nitric oxide).

Thank you for your moderation Vapor.
Osu!

[Spirit]

If you can find/buy, “wild grown” herbal supplements then take them and send me the info on them.
Since true herbal supplements are few and far between it is truly difficult to find them.
BUT know this supplement and other ingredients that state as “Natural” are no more than synthetics chemicals!!! that my friend is fact. also the cost for these wild grown supplements are very expensive usually more than $2.000 per pill or teaspoon and require refrigeration all the time even before opening.

Creatine and nitric oxide taurine are no less than synthetic chemicals/drugs
Remember that chemical and drugs is the same exact thing!!!
synthetic chemical are drugs, drugs are synthetic chemicals

If you eat, drink it and it gives you an instant boost (within 5-15 min it is a drug or synthetic chemical.
Their are very few wild grow plants in the world that can do this, and I do not think that any of us have the knowledge or the no how to pick, grow, or purchase them.

Remember that the word natural does not reflect from the ground, plant, or original state, but for a synthetic reproduction of the natural items or state......

Their is also 10,000 ingredients that are not required to be put on food labels, most of these items are poisons and other chemicals or drugs that knowing that they where in the food you would not take them!!!

Take what you wish, believe what you wish live the way you wish!
But don’t follow the marketing powers of the world companies who brain wash you into thinking items are more valuable than they truly are.

[Dim]

Originally Posted by jap man

Remember that chemical and drugs is the same exact thing!!!
synthetic chemical are drugs, drugs are synthetic chemicals

If you eat, drink it and it gives you an instant boost (within 5-15 min it is a drug or synthetic chemical.
Their are very few wild grow plants in the world that can do this, and I do not think that any of us have the knowledge or the no how to pick, grow, or purchase them.

Remember that the word natural does not reflect from the ground, plant, or original state, but for a synthetic reproduction of the natural items or state......

So by your definition coffee, which contains the natural drug caffine, is a natural herb and doesnt require any processing other than being crushed and imersed in hot water* But if the caffine is removed and added to something else it no longer is*


ps. *'s are question marks, my keyboard isnt working properly.

[smoothsake]

Originally Posted by Dim

ps. *'s are question marks, my keyboard isnt working properly.

That made me laugh.

[helenosch]

After a lecture yesterday, I talked to a professor of pharmaceuticals, who worked for some years in research. What he told me was interesting. The chemical components in the drugs aren't at all that chemical. Take asprin for example. The main-ingridient is in fact found in nature (forgot the name though), the problem is however, that you can't get the dosage right if you take it right from the nature; take too little - no effect, take too much and you prove Pracelsus and his quote about poison right. that's why you turn to "unnatural" ways and try to copy nature since there you can be much more precise.
So what I learned yesterday, that the pharmaindustry isn't really good (should've heard the professor rambling) but at least the drugs have their origins in nature as much as the homoepathic ones.


(Sorry about the wrong spelling, never was good at english spelling, rather stick to my german )

[Spirit]

Originally Posted by Dim

So by your definition coffee, which contains the natural drug caffine, is a natural herb and doesnt require any processing other than being crushed and imersed in hot water* But if the caffine is removed and added to something else it no longer is*

Caffine in coffee is not the same as caffine in food or drink... it is sythesized get it!!!!

Do what you wish, eat and drink as you like, but it is the fool who passes up information and lessons given to them by their seniors!!!