Milk bad before training?

[helenosch]

I've just had an appointment with a nutrition-expert and we were going over some stuff about what to eat/drink before training, and she said that a lot of people (and some who don't - she was very insistent on that) get stomach cramps and throw up when they drink milk before training or a strenous workout. Just for my curiosity, can anyone here confirm that? or have another opinion about it?

[vapor]

I have heard that dairy is not good to intake before exercise of any kind...
can't back that up with evidence...just what I have heard

vapor

[blackdog]

I like to eat SOMETHING before training, or i tend to fade

Something low GI and high in complex carbs for energy (sugar hits like a chocolate bar a false sugar hit, you will get a burst of energy, but not a sustained energy release)

Fruit, muesli, yoghurt, and a small amount of water.

I find if i eat or drink too much, i get cramps and feel sick. Not enough and i feel shaky and fade in training.

Milk? ugh, not my cup of tea (pardon the pun)

Bren

[Kris]

It is known that the lactose in the milk is difficult for the digestive system to break down. A lot of blood will be needed in the stomach area for this work. Therefore it is not good to drink milk before training.

"Milk makes you sleepy" is an old saying, some people have a glass of milk right before bed to fall asleep faster. (Not me, do not know if it really helps)

Personally I eat rice two hours before training, have notices that to give me the best energy.

[helenosch]

As an university-student I'm somewhat dependent on that pick-me-up called coffee, and I drink my coffee with milk. Since training happens usually right after universty, i grab a milk-coffee on the way but I've never experienced any problems with it. I also noticed that coffee with loads of milk but no sugar gives me the enegry boost I need since I usually don't eat much before training.

[Spirit]

Sadly 99% of the known (published) Info on nutrition is controlled by the powers of spin (big business), which means that they can sell an ice cube to an Eskimo and WE believe all they tell us.
NOW “IF” you can close your mind to all the B/S that you read (which I know it is very difficult to do) and take a different approach to what is and is not good for you in the way of food, you maybe able to increase your internal health.

So lets address milk. Yes milk does effect some people do to lactose intolerance, which affects people in many ways. Cramps, gas, and other disorders, all do to eating, drinking dairy products. I to suffer from lactose intolerance, it just one day happened. I would drink 13 gallons of milk a week without issue, then on day bang big problems.
To resolve the problem I take digestive enzymes and lactose to control the problems. As for milk it is best if it is “RAW” (very hard to find) the next best way is Organic. If you drink milk you should not drink non-organic milk since it is one of the most chemically filled foods. If you LOVE milk like I do you may wish to look into Organic soymilk or organic Oat milk or Organic rice milk…
And if you must drink processed milk do not drink low fat or no fat (1% or 2%).
The problem with ALL no fat or low-fat foods they have chemicals in them to make you eat more even when you are not hungry, yes this is also legally added in (USA) and the FDA (food and drug admin allows these drug in all processed foods.

When you get shakes, weak, or that nervous feelings in your body when you are training that is do to processed sugars that you have eaten. Processed sugars are all white sugars, cane sugar, high fructose, molasses, and the sweeteners that take the place of sugars in diet and other fake foods and drinks
.
What is happening in your body (in layman’s terms) as the natural stored energy in your body (glucose) has been used up by these sugars and when your body needs these energies it draws from body storage area but there is non their to draw from so the body starts to break down and you get that feeling. The next stage to this is that sharp pain on your right side that you get during hard train etc. Sugar is poison to the body!!!

If you are truly serious about your health then Organic life style is the only way to go.
No matter what you read, no matter what collage or what report etc you read about how safe or good processed foods, it is false and a lie based on $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$!!!
Please note that if you do change over to 100% Organic foods your body will take time to adjust to the new foods and to expel the toxins that processed foods have been poisoning your body with for all these years.
Also if you eat a few organic things thinking it will help sorry it will not an you are just wasting your money 100% or nothing folks.

Example you all maybe aware of the site webMD… All this great info on how to deal with health issues etc right…
Well it is a pharmaceutical manufactures web site to get you to ultimately go to the doctors to get a pharmaceutical cure for something you don’t need. Yes your doctor is a drug pusher……
One of our Yudansha is a Harvard trained Doctor and he once told me “never under any uncertain term should you ever let a doctor cut you open” oh by the way he is a surgeon himself!!!!
Sorry if this sounds like a conspiracy theorists tie rate, but we are less likely to believe the truth (honne) and we most often believe the untruth (tatemae) .

You must understand that the biggest customer of the pharmaceutical companies is the food industry. I’m talking BILLIONS of dollars a year!!! Yes they will and do lie to you for that kind of profit.

Back to foods. Eat healthy, not filling, eat before you train you need the energy as you need the energy to start your day as you do to end your day.
Give your body time to digest the foods (each person is different) and eat smart.
If you do not have time to eat a balanced meal (any time not just before training) eat fruit, though you need to figure out which fruits work best for you again everyone is different Apples seem to be the best when it comes to energy as well general health. Yes there are fruits known to give you more energy etc but your body will tell you which works and which don’t for you.

Research Organics and other life styles that do not eat or consume processed foods, read everything then read between the lines and then understand that collages get their research $$$$ money from those who do it for the profits not for the truth!!!

We live in a time that money rules all and nothing but nothing is stronger than money except for each person who stands alone and against the system. You must be a individual not a follower, you must not purchase things do to commercials or that everyone is . STAND ALONE and be counted .
Live long and healthy

[Dim]

Jap man: There are some elements in your post that i do not agree with.

If sugar is a poison to the body then you are saying that we should not eat any fruit or berries as these contain fructose, or most other food at all as these contain glucose (in varying amounts).

Originally Posted by http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glucose

...All major dietary carbohydrates contain glucose, either as their only building block, as in starch and glycogen, or together with another monosaccharide, as in sucrose and lactose....

Your body needs a certain blood-SUGAR level to function properly. If its too low it results in blurry vision, dizziness, loss of consciousness and in extreme cases even death. Conversely too high a blood sugar level can also have ill effects on heath.


Also i'm fairly certain that the main method of produced reduced/low/no fat milk is by separating the cream from the milk using mechanical methods firstly. This is so they can retain the cream to sell as well. I am unsure as to what further processing is performed.
This is what we did we got milk from our own cow. Instead of high temperature pasteurisation (as done with commerical milk) we added hydrogen peroxide, which kills off some bacteria and breaks down to water and oxygen. (the other main process in producing milk being homogenisation, to prevent the cream from floating to the top, also done by mostly by mechanical processes - not by adding chemicals http://www.howstuffworks.com/framed....enization.html)

I like it when there is scientific evidence backing stuff up

As a side note i do not drink milk before training (or any other exercise) as i find it tends to make phlegm build up at the back of my throat.

ps. if i followed the advice “never under any uncertain term should you ever let a doctor cut you open” i would either now be dead from a ruptured appendix or have a severely disfigured leg from breaking it. Given the choice i'ld rather be alive.

[Lucy]

Helenosch

A coffee with milk is not going to cause any bad affect on your training. Now a glass of milk before training would probably cause some some discomfort in the stomach. I wouldnt worry about drinking your coffee before training especially if you dont find it has any affects...like you said it benefits you as a 'pick me up'

[Spirit]

Originally Posted by Dim

Jap man: There are some elements in your post that i do not agree with.

If sugar is a poison to the body then you are saying that we should not eat any fruit or berries as these contain fructose, or most other food at all as these contain glucose (in varying amounts).

Your body needs a certain blood-SUGAR level to function properly. If its too low it results in blurry vision, dizziness, loss of consciousness and in extreme cases even death. Conversely too high a blood sugar level can also have ill effects on heath.


Also i'm fairly certain that the main method of produced reduced/low/no fat milk is by separating the cream from the milk using mechanical methods firstly. This is so they can retain the cream to sell as well. I am unsure as to what further processing is performed.
This is what we did we got milk from our own cow. Instead of high temperature pasteurisation (as done with commerical milk) we added hydrogen peroxide, which kills off some bacteria and breaks down to water and oxygen. (the other main process in producing milk being homogenisation, to prevent the cream from floating to the top, also done by mostly by mechanical processes - not by adding chemicals
I like it when there is scientific evidence backing stuff up

As a side note i do not drink milk before training (or any other exercise) as i find it tends to make phlegm build up at the back of my throat.

ps. if i followed the advice “never under any uncertain term should you ever let a doctor cut you open” i would either now be dead from a ruptured appendix or have a severely disfigured leg from breaking it. Given the choice i'ld rather be alive.

Dim,
If you feel that the scientific world is telling you the truth then Excellant for you, all the power to you have a healthy life!!! I really don't think this is the place to discuss this issue in this manner I would say that you reread my post and take in what I said also research holistic and organic life styles and foods further and understand the processed foods issuses first.

Yes I said SUGAR, I also said to eat fruits too but since I was spaeking about processed foods it was implied sorry I will correct PROCESSED SUGARS. I also did say to eat fruit as well. I did not say do not let a Dr cut you open I said I was told by my friend a Harvard Dr and of course I should have added that under certain issues you have to , but I figured that you could understand the implied and that fact that I was quoting someone...

As for the way you processed milk with H/P that is the perferd way in the organic life style also taking H/P for alments is a great way to cure issues with the body.
Though if you understand the process of milk compainies (each country is a little different) I said chem filled, not chem added.
The chem; in milk come from the cows which get it from the farmers (injecting them or adding it to their foods) and/or how the foods they eat are treated and grown. One of the major differances between processed foods and organic foods NO CHEMICALS that cause cancer etc etc etc...

As for scientific fact remeber this 95% of all "scientific fact and research where the fact comes from" is backed by Big Coperations $$$ and they lean towards who pays them!!!!

Do more research and look into the other side of science, the holistice and organic side.

[Dim]

Dont get me wrong, I would definately rather eat foods without unnecessary added chemicals and preservatives and quite often i do (i eat homegrown food when and where its viable). However this is based on personal preference not scientific reasoning for or against.

The main issue i have is the contradictions you are making and claims agaisnt known scientific fact (fact based on observation and logical reasoning).

Firstly could you please clarify this a little further "as the natural stored energy in your body (glucose) has been used up by these sugars ", sugar using up sugar sounds not quite right to me. Perhaps you have over simplified your 'layman's terms'.

You also listed fructose as being one of the poisonous sugars (which in excess it is, so say scientists). But the main source of fructose in peoples diets is fruit (as well as startch. eg potatoes, etc). I am struggling to see why you say it is poison in one paragraph and yet good for you in the next.

Also Refined white sugar (99% sucrose) is broken down into glucose and fructose in your stomach, the danger in this is that people have a tendancy to eat too much because it tastes nice (mmmm chocolate) not that it has been refined from its base source (sugar cane or sugar beet). Eat too much and your body converts it to fat.

"Do more research and look into the other side of science, the holistice and organic side." Science is science, it doesnt have any sides. I agree that the 'Application' of scientific research may vary. But the underlying nature of...well...nature does not. The holistic and organic side must also follow the same universal rules as everything else.

ps. I think you're right, this deserves it's own thread. Sorry for highjacking this one.

[Spirit]

see new post "foods"

[helenosch]

Originally Posted by Dim

ps. I think you're right, this deserves it's own thread. Sorry for highjacking this one.

Don't bother threads are the most interesting if they go a bit further than planned. However, I don't know if you guys ever noticed it but this whole disscusion about hollistic food, chemicals, drugs, organic etc. never comes to an end and if it does - like the red-bull/drug thread - it flames up again by - I think so at least - innocent question. All you do is write post after ost to support your point of view but I think all you get out of it, is a higher blood pressure because to convince someone fully of your point of view. Believe me, my family has the same problem with my sister-in-law and after some really bad blood, we came to realization that we should try to avoid that question as good as possible: We don't tell her what to do, she doesn't tell us. Simply as that and we have some peace at least. Why can't you do the same?

Now, sorry about my rant but I just had to get it out because all I wanted to know was if anyone has experienced problems with drinking milk before training because it just sounded strange to me

[bushido spirit]

man if i ate any too much of any thing befor the training and am pushing my self to th e ,ax. effort i feellike throughing up , ijust need sumthn with suger to maintain the balance of suger in my body so can go on.......

[Azimuth]

I always eat after training , If i eat anything less than 2 hours before training
and we go deep ,than i remember the "dont eat before you go swimming "advise my parents told me and understand why ...

[supergroup7]

Milk and dairy products are not good choices of foods to eat before exercise.

"In the late 1980s, gastrointestinal specialist Mervyn Danilewitz reported curing a number of runners' stomach ailments by having them eliminate dairy 24 hours before running. Milk, cheese, and ice cream can trigger stomach pain because they contain lactose, a sugar that's hard for some people to digest. If you just can't skip your glass of milk, try soy, rice, or almond milks, which generally don't contain lactose." Runner's world

The best thing to do before training is to hydrate your body well by drinking 2 cups of water 2 hours before the work out, and then another cup or so 15 minutes before the work out. Watch the sugars... Natural sugars that come from fruit such as banana ( also a great source of potasium) is preferable. Two bananas can provide energy for a 90 minute work out. Stay away from the refined white sugar, syrups, and white flour which depletes your body of minerals in order to digest them. Eat a light meal that has 75% vegtables such as soup or salad, and save the big meal for after the work out. This is because the body needs to divert blood circulation from the stomach to empower the muscles during streneous exercise to work which causes the cramps.

Milk is not a natural food for adult mammals to drink. When was the last time that one witnessed an adult suckling a lactating female? It doesn't happen. In fact, it is pretty obvious from the loss of our milk teeth at a young age, and the development of adult teeth used to tear, and chew, and also the lowering of the enzyme "lactase" from our digestive track, that we are designed to grow past the need for milk.

For more detailed information on the negative effects of pasteurized milk on one's body please click here.