glucosamine and joint problems - Page 2

boldbhoy · 05-05-2007, 03:16 PM

Thanks Japman.

**SHIDOKANATLANTA** · 06-08-2007, 09:09 PM

glucosamine doesn't help joint problems. the only thing you can take is an anti-inflamatory. damage cartilage can't be repaired by a pill. only through an operation can damaged joints be helped. I've torn ACL and cartilage. you'll have to be careful how you train after the damage is done.

kidflash · 09-02-2007, 02:44 PM

To everybody who made good experience with glucosamine:
How much of glucosaminesulfat do you take a day?
I am taking 700mg a day for a few weeks now, and there is no effect.
My problem is, that my joints are crunching and cracking really bad. It does not hurt (yet) but it is getting worse, and that makes me a bit concerned...

Maybe I should use some of the products mentioned before in this thread...

**DKKC** · 09-03-2007, 02:59 PM

Kidflash,
My joints have been cracking since I was 14-15. I'm 30 now and they are still very noisy. I've seen a physiotherapist when I was about 18 as I got worried about it but she said to ignore it (especially if there's no pain) as there's nothing I can do about it really. She also suggested I do less impact work for my fitness (cycle and swim rather than run; run up the hill rather than on stairs etc. etc.).

It is not scientifically proven that glucosamine works, nor how it works. It works for some people (like my husband) and it doesn't work for others (like me). If you have no pain in your joints, just noises, I wouldn't worry about it too much. Try and develop the muscles around the joints evenly to make sure that there isn't any unnecessary pressure on the joints and that they are kept well in place.

Chimofu · 09-03-2007, 03:09 PM

For me glucosamine works. I've taken it now for 2 weeks and the pain in my finger is less.
I take 1500 mg.

Tameshigiri · 09-03-2007, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by dethhead

hi everyone, ive been stretching everyday for the past couple of months and my legs have been getting better and better. but my joints in my hips and knees are beginning to hurt as i stretch while trying to do the splits. will taking glucosamine supliments help? thanks.
osu!

Hi Dethhead.

Good question.

My awnser:

Check the way you strech.

I sow very often people streching from center positon to right and left just with a single move, can you imagine how you hip suffer that? and what about you sipne?

If you strech center and then you want to strech to any side, you should stand up, do senkutsu dachi, biger as you can till you rich the position you want , when you do that your hip keep the separation it needs. Very diferent to do so just with a single move to the side.

Some peolple don't pay attention on that but they will pay for that soon or latter.

My other advice is to go to Kiropractic, I go 3 times a week for the last 5 years and help me a lot.

OSU.

Wish you luck.

kidflash · 09-03-2007, 08:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DKKC

Kidflash,
My joints have been cracking since I was 14-15. I'm 30 now and they are still very noisy. I've seen a physiotherapist when I was about 18 as I got worried about it but she said to ignore it (especially if there's no pain) as there's nothing I can do about it really. She also suggested I do less impact work for my fitness (cycle and swim rather than run; run up the hill rather than on stairs etc. etc.).

It is not scientifically proven that glucosamine works, nor how it works. It works for some people (like my husband) and it doesn't work for others (like me). If you have no pain in your joints, just noises, I wouldn't worry about it too much. Try and develop the muscles around the joints evenly to make sure that there isn't any unnecessary pressure on the joints and that they are kept well in place.

Thank you very much, DKKC!

I am glad to hear that my joints are not going to get so rusty that they wouldn't move at all in the end...

I will just take a bit more of the glucosamine-stuff and if it does not work, I will ignore it.

seienchin · 09-04-2007, 01:13 PM

This is an interesting topic, because there is much myth, but some reality around.

This link is to a summary of a review showing that using glucosamine sulphate can reduce/delay the need for joint replacement in people with known arthritis

Total joint replacement after glucosamine sulphate...[Osteoarthritis Cartilage. 2007] - PubMed Result

This next link is to a summary that reviewed lots of different trials, looking at why the results were so variable. They concluded that glucosamine sulphate is more effective than glucosamine hydrochoride (which they found was not effective at all). But most worryingly, they found a big difference in the outcomes of trials that were sponsored by manufacturers of glucosamine.

Glucosamine for pain in osteoarthritis: why do tri...[Arthritis Rheum. 2007] - PubMed Result

The final link I'd like to provide is a very recent paper published in the Journal "Rheumatology" (joint disease). It makes a very strong finding in support of glucosamine sulphate, but also cautions against other formulations.

Current role of glucosamine in the treatment of os...[Rheumatology (Oxford). 2007] - PubMed Result

Finally, the dosage: I have briefly looked through the published literature, and most of the trials have used doses of 1500mg of glucosamine sulphate.

Hope this is of some help!

**DKKC** · 09-04-2007, 04:47 PM

This information is very interesting! Thanks Seienchin!

doogfood · 11-07-2007, 11:06 PM

Seems like I'm digging up old posts but anyways, as some people have mentioned, I think the recommended dosage of glucosamine is 1500mg, which is pretty expensive to take daily I think.

The effectiveness of oral supplements (glucosamine, chondroitin, hyaluronic acid, etc.) for joint problems has been a long ongoing debate. I think there was a research synthesis (summary of a bunch of research studies on a topic) that concluded that the effectiveness of these supplements are doubted. A lot of the studies that claims to have effect had faults in the way the study was conducted and it was difficult to determine whether the improved joint came from the supplement or it was the problem just taking care of itself overtime. Also there aren't any evidence to prove that glucosamine (or other oral supplements) will be used in the body to help heal cartilage, when taken orally.

Most doctors won't and shouldn't recommend oral supplements. If you plan on taking these supplements, take them at your own cost and risk, as the efficacy of them are still debated.

Sadly I don't have research articles to support my claims right now (just being too lazy). I'll try to post them up once I have the time.

seienchin · 11-08-2007, 12:55 AM

doogfood - great to have another person on board who is prepared to review some of the science.

I'd love the reference for the review that you are talking about which was equivocal on the benefits. was it a meta-analysis?

AGain - great to have you looking at this stuff too!

vapor · 11-08-2007, 01:32 AM

Seienchin, you have found a kindred spirit!! (which is great! Posts that are based in science more than hunch are always a good thing, when it comes to discussing effects on our bodies!!)

vapor

Bloke · 11-08-2007, 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by vapor

Seienchin, you have found a kindred spirit!! (which is great! Posts that are based in science more than hunch are always a good thing, when it comes to discussing effects on our bodies!!)

vapor

I was thinking the same thing whin I first saw Doogfoods posts - I was waiting for Seienchin to come along.

vapor · 11-09-2007, 05:59 AM

Lets just hope that they can keep their public conversations at a point that the rest of us mere mortals can follow along!!

vapor

seienchin · 11-09-2007, 06:20 AM

We'll try...and I'm sure we can count on our friends to politely cough if we forget ourselves!

sarah_beth · 11-09-2007, 01:25 PM

I have alot of problems with my hips.
One of those problems is Osteo Arthritis (Yep, at Seventeen. )

I was told to take Glucosamine, it did nothing for me. I've taken alot of heavier drugs (prescribed by doctors, of course) to help in the past, and most of them had alot of bad side effects and only worked for a while before they just didn't work anymore.
The best thing for me has been Hyrdrotherapy (basically excersizes in water) which I go to twice a week for about half an hour. Its helped alot, expecially with the strength.

Yeah

vapor · 11-10-2007, 01:46 AM

sara_beth,

Good luck with dealing with your hips...seems a tough road to be forced to take, but hopefully the hydrotherpy continues to show its benefits!

vapor

sarah_beth · 11-10-2007, 03:26 AM

vapor,

thanks mate

I suggest that anyone with joint problems to see their doctor, or start going to a physiotherapist and maybe get onto a gym or hydro training from there.
They can give you excersises which can help you with those joints

Osu.

seienchin · 11-10-2007, 01:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sarah_beth

I suggest that anyone with joint problems to see their doctor, or start going to a physiotherapist and maybe get onto a gym or hydro training from there.
They can give you excersises which can help you with those joints

Osu.

good Advice. I think the most important issue with joint pain is to get a diagnosis! Some things can be fixed, and you don't need to suffer unnecessarily. Others might be slowed in their progression with the right management. So whilst we might have a tough karate-ka inside us that wants to just grimace and bear it, it might be a good idea to at least know what it is that we are bearing!

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