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08-13-2007, 02:33 PM
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Fluids and hydration
There has been some vigorous debate (off topic) in another thread about fluid and hydration regimes. I am interested to hear what other students and instructors think.
How frequently do you drink during vigorous training? Do you drink water only, or do you drink a carb-electrolyte solution? Does this change if you are doing a long grading? Has anyone been required to NOT drink in the name of budo? Alternatively, have you been encouraged to drink so much that you then need to pee? Let's hear it all - anything fluids is welcome in this thead! 
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08-13-2007, 05:34 PM
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Osu Seienchin,
I remember when i first started training 16 years or so ago 'water breaks' were unheard of! Ive always drank regularly all day through, So i've never really missed it during a 1 1/2 - 2 hour session. I probably consume more than your average person because i had a kidney disease when i was a small child and i think this is why i drink so much water now  Anyway, it depends on where im training. I train at 3 clubs. (1) At my club we don't have a specific water break. Only if we are doing heavy bag work and sparring then 'grab a swig between rounds'. (2) Another club the instructor lets the whole group have a drink mostly whenever required which is fair enough. (3) When i train with Hanshi then no you don't get a drink. I have never even seen anyone ask! .You need to be well hydrated before you train. But when i train at squad sessions i will take a 2 litre bottle of water (because i need every drop) in with me and by the end of a 3 hour session its all gone and i don't even need to pee!!  I only drink water during sessions.
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08-13-2007, 06:28 PM
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At my first dojo, if you asked for a water break the Shihan made the whole club do pushups. You were only allowed a water break when he deemed it necessary, which was usually about an hour in (we had two hour classes).
During my classes I will allow a water break if I get thirsty! Just kidding, we only train for 1.5 hours, so usually a water break isn't needed. Following a hard work out or a heavy night of drinking I usually drink Gatorade or other sugar drink.
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08-13-2007, 08:08 PM
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Asking hanshi for a waterbreak..... hihi... though he told me what happend at the summercamp a few years ago, where they had to take a young man to hospital due to dehydration...
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08-13-2007, 11:30 PM
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 At my grading at camp for my 1st Kyu, a poor guy taking his shodan had sweat buckets, and i mean buckets! His gi was soaked, he looked like he just got out of a swimming pool! He had a fit in the end seriously scary stuff 
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Let us not forget to form a team up together and go into the country to inflict pain of our karate feets to some ass of the giant lizard person Last edited by Lucy; 08-13-2007 at 11:34 PM.
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08-14-2007, 02:42 AM
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I normally don't drink in training sessions unless I really need it.
I would really need to take water in any camps tho.. dehydration is bad.
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08-14-2007, 09:08 AM
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For me it depends on the circumstances. If its a standard class and we are not sweating too much then I dont see it as being too bad if we dont take a break. But if its a particularly hot day, or its a particulary punishing session then absolutey we have water breaks.
When I started we never had water breaks and as times and attitudes changed I must admit I struggled to change. But we must move with the times.
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08-14-2007, 01:31 PM
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Yes years ago in the old dojo
No anything... water, bathroom asking question stopping to breath or hurt during sparring... I do think that their is correct time for water breaks (water at room temp only no other fluids allowed). But since I did grow up during those times of 2 & 3 hour training 2-3 times a week in a an barn with no fans etc. and we all lived no one ever got cramps or heat exhaustion anything. I also think insurance as well the lawyers have change the dojo's way of acting (at least in the U.S.) During our yudansha test which was an 8 hour affair we only had 2 water/bath breaks. Hell no breaks for water when we did 50 and 100 man... But science (in its good form) has enlightened us to be a bit more wiser not softer... Though 1 to 2 hour classes that are not high intensity no breaks for 13 and up... kid classes are shorter so no break do to time. BUT I'm not apposed to allowing water as needed, just stuck in the mind set, still need time to evolve. Last edited by Spirit; 08-15-2007 at 12:57 PM.
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08-14-2007, 02:34 PM
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I can see that there is general consensus that one can safely train for 1 - 2 hours with only 1 or 2 water breaks. I agree with that, subject of course to no extremes of heat conditions, or individual vulnerabilities ( pregnancy, medications etc).
What do you all think of the idea that we have to train our bodies to absorb fluids while exercising? To my mind, that is one of the main reasons to encourage drinking during ordinary training, so that students are comfortable drinking when they undertake larger effort. any thoughts?
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08-14-2007, 02:59 PM
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Dehydration IS bad, AND avoidable!
We do know a lot more nowadays, and it's encouraging that a lot of "old timers" acknowledge this. Our instructor and branch chief often tells us tales of yore about their training that leaves some of us aghast. Then he adds, "But there was no need for it" or "It wasn't really doing us much good." The last time I trained in Manila, I was going really dizzy, I was seriously worried. Training is from 7pm till 10, thank God they have water breaks or I would have been in trouble. In our local dojo, we may have a quick drink if we've been having a heavy session (like bloke) it's while the juniors are going home after the first hour, so there's no real disruption. Osu!
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08-14-2007, 03:27 PM
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I wonder where the association that drinking water during hard training sessions made you a weak person.
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08-14-2007, 04:04 PM
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That perception was certainly there at the dojo in Asakusa.
We would maybe get a break once....everyone was in seiza....and we were told that anyone who needed to get a drink could....typically it would only be the lower belts who would run off to the side long enough to catch a quick sip...higher belts usually just sat in Mokuso..... There is a bit of reverse peer pressure in those circumstances to have the guts to break mokuso, apologize with a "shitsure shimasu", run behind everyone, get a drink, do another "shitsure shimasu" to get back onto the floor, run behind everyone to get back to your spot, seiza, bow and then go back into mokuso..... vapor
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08-14-2007, 04:29 PM
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The kuro obi in our class cannot drink water even during extremely tough sessions. All the kyu grades may do so though.
We have never had anyone faint on us before, but we have had one person "spew" but not due to dehydration. Don't eat one hour before class time.
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08-14-2007, 06:57 PM
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times must be changing, cause most dojos I trained in never allowed for water breaks.
I think one of the reason is because some people over do it, and end up puking because they drink too much water during the breaks.
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08-14-2007, 07:15 PM
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08-14-2007, 07:17 PM
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What does a karateka who moves like a water buffalo look like?
Is this another volunteer for a quick video session? Inquiring minds want to know! vapor
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08-14-2007, 07:22 PM
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 I'm still signed up to exhibit the K4L.com combo. Animal interpretation is next.... 
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08-14-2007, 07:24 PM
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The bar is closing before too long, so don't wander away!!! Your tab will need to be paid in full soon....!!
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08-14-2007, 11:13 PM
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When I tested for sandan my test lasted about 6.5 hrs and i was allowed to drink just once for 30 seconds!!!
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08-15-2007, 02:38 AM
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I have nowhere near the experience that you all do since my classes are just 1 hour, but in my class I've never seen anyone leave the dojo room to have water. Being the weakest link, there are definitely times I would have *liked* to grab a drink real quick but I can honestly say it was not for |
