Another Ashihara karate question

[olyckan]

OSU! Perhaps Jolut can clearify on Sanchin no kata and Tensho no kata.. My grading syllabus is from back in 2000 and it was/is NIKO. But it could be possible that they are some leftovers from the time before NIKO.

[Dobbersky]

Nix,

My Appologies, I only wish to be respectful, I completely agree with the fact that Shoshin Ichi, Kihon Ichi and Jissen Ichi follow the same format and are vertually identical regards the bunkai Uke strikes too.

In Ashihara UK we do not practice Shoshin Ni or San or Kumite Go so I would not know where the similarites lie there.

I agree that Kumite 1-5 are a natural progression but I would have seen 1/2 being a single kata and 3/4 being a single kata myself.

This is my thinking now as since I have reached this level I have begun to break down the kata and rebuild them I think it is a phase that every karateka goes through. When I become Shihan I hope I will be a good example and Ambassador of Ashihara Karate.

Osu

[Nix]

Dobbersky-sempai,

No need to apologise, the title was just misplaced - save it for someone else.

Soshin ni, soshin san and kumite go are actually a bit different from the others, especially the soshin.

I would have seen 1/2 being a single kata and 3/4 being a single kata myself.

Please elaborate. You want half or three-quarters of the kata to be unique?

When I become Shihan I hope I will be a good example and Ambassador of Ashihara Karate.

I will look forward to that. Personally I hope I am a good example even as a silly mudansha.


olyckan-san,

Am I right to assume you do not yet follow the new global syllabus? Feel free to send a PM if you don't wish to discuss it here.

Osu!

[olyckan]

Well from what I understand we did our last grading in december 2007 according to the new syllabus, this was quite different from what we have been used to. However my reference book with all the katas for every grade and techniqe explained etc is from 2000.. I guess we will get a new book soon with the new syllabus explained. From what I´ve understood the new grading syllabus doesnt change what katas you have, it is rather the form of the grading that has changed significantly.. I am not the head of my dojo so I havent seen the changes in print.

[Dobbersky]

Nix-san

To expand on my statements I would say that I would Extend/merge the Kumite kata to form 3 Kata

Kumite Ichi and Ni would be extended to include some of the moves from each to possible a 12 combinations kata

Kuimte San and Yon again I would extend and merge the Kata to make one of again possibly of around 12 combinations long or extending the strikes of each combinations to keep it to the 8 (the start and fiinsh has been merged into the first and last combination in the UK) or 10 (NIKO)

I would also move the Kata to a more senior level but.....

The thing is I see what can be done but having Students of my own I see what they do and can fully agree with the fact of having the 5 Kumite kata.


I understand that there were to be five sets of kata. Namely Shoshin, Nage, Kihon, Kumite, Jissen and Goshin although Ashihara O Sensei sadly passed before this could transpire to completion.

My Favourite Kata actually is Kihon San I think this kata is as useful as Jissen kata in a street situation and can be used for other attacks like knife strikes, grabs etc

All,

What is yours and does anyone know of have heard, what is Kancho's favourite kata and does anyone recall what was Ashihara O Sensei favourite Kata too

Osu

[olyckan]

My favourite Kata is without doubt Soshin Ni.. There is no nicer feeling then letting your hands loose..

[kabirlovero]

I never heard of Ashiwara b4...

[Nix]

Dobbersky,

I don't think it's possible to extend the kata. For one, all Ashihara kata follow the same pattern, only the combinations change. This was done for a reason, and I don't think it's a good idea to mess it up, it will only confuse people - plus you would need to count to twelve in japanese, where most people only know how to count to ten (I do know how to count to twelve, and do count over ten sometimes, but that's mostly for fun). Complicating things are rarely a good idea.

Not sure what my favourite kata is. For many years it was kumite no kata sono ni, since the combinations work well, without beeing flashy. Jissen ichi is definatelly fun to do, though, as are kumite yon (when you're good enough to do it properly).

I have no idea what Kancho Hideyuki Ashihara or Kancho Hidenori Ashihara's favourite kata is/were, but maybe I'll ask at the sabaki camp.


olyckan,

Here is the new kata syllabus. The third coloumn is the official syllabus, the far right one is the revision made by my sempai, and the one we will be following at the sabaki camp.

Osu!

[Dobbersky]

All,

May I pose a question with regards to Ashihara Kata?

In most Tradition kata (also found in Kyokushin) there are different attacks for the same defence, for example Gedan Barai, could be from a punch, a kick or a grab, it could also be a throw.

Do the same options apply to Ashihara kata?

Will they work from say a knife attack, or a grab instead of a punch or a kick?

Your thoughts please!

Also if you can state Kata and combination to demonstrate your findings

[Nix]

I don't see why not. Much as there can be several different ways to react to an attack, several attacks also "fit" to the same defence.

To make an example of a simple combination, the first (second) combination in kihon no kata sono ichi: Soto uke - control while moving into position three - punch. In the kata, the attack for this combination is for migi chudan tsuki, but it could just as easilly be for migi mae geri, a grab, a stab with a knife or maybe even a bokken.

This is also obvious in sabaki, people have their favourite combinations that they use to counter several different attacks; combinationss that work well for them, and which they can rely on if all else fails. I personally tend to move into side position and finish with a jodan hiza geri and a hiji against attacks on my right hand side, whenever I get tired and just can't think of anything else.

Did that answer your question?

Osu!

[Dobbersky]

Osu Nix

Thanks for answering my question, yes I see totally regards that kata and combination, that they are multi-attack based.

Is there any other Ashiharaka online who wish to add their views

Osu

[Iwaks]

Dear Ashihara karateka,

is there a branch/club or an instructor in Hong Kong? i see from the souhonbu site that there is a branch in Singapore.

Osu!!

[Azimuth]

Iwaks -San , There is no Ashihara branch in Hong Kong as far as i know of , i did find a Kyokushin dojo with fighters that competed in Ashihara tournaments .
Maybe you can ask for some info over there ?

http://www.impakt.hk/kyokushin-karate.html

[mickeberg]

Originally Posted by Nix

Dobbersky,

I don't think it's possible to extend the kata. For one, all Ashihara kata follow the same pattern, only the combinations change. This was done for a reason, and I don't think it's a good idea to mess it up, it will only confuse people - plus you would need to count to twelve in japanese, where most people only know how to count to ten (I do know how to count to twelve, and do count over ten sometimes, but that's mostly for fun). Complicating things are rarely a good idea.

Not sure what my favourite kata is. For many years it was kumite no kata sono ni, since the combinations work well, without beeing flashy. Jissen ichi is definatelly fun to do, though, as are kumite yon (when you're good enough to do it properly).

I have no idea what Kancho Hideyuki Ashihara or Kancho Hidenori Ashihara's favourite kata is/were, but maybe I'll ask at the sabaki camp.

(Excuse me for my poor writing)
As I recall in the early days every dojo/branch was allowed to have their own grading syllabus. Not every one followed the danish syllabus and the belt colours where not the same for 10 & 9 th kyu. some dojos had white with stripes and some had red belts.

I think this is changing in the future so that perhaps every dojo use same syllabus and same belt colour.

I heard that the sabaki camp 2008 with Kancho in Denmark will give me some clearyfying in this.

[Nix]

Originally Posted by mickeberg

As I recall in the early days every dojo/branch was allowed to have their own grading syllabus. Not every one followed the danish syllabus and the belt colours where not the same for 10 & 9 th kyu. some dojos had white with stripes and some had red belts.

I think this is changing in the future so that perhaps every dojo use same syllabus and same belt colour.

I heard that the sabaki camp 2008 with Kancho in Denmark will give me some clearyfying in this.

Yes, that is correct. Even here in Denmark, there are differences in the belt system, with Viborg Karate Skole having white with blue stripes, and the members of DAO having the red belt, as you say. There are also other minor differences regarding junior ranks.

DAO has issued a grading test syllabus based on the original layout from Honbu, that will be used at Sabaki Camp 2008. The goal is to make a smooth transition between the new and the old. I am very excited about the camp, and believe future plans will be revealed to the designated Branch Chiefs.

Osu!

[mickeberg]

Originally Posted by Nix

Yes, that is correct. Even here in Denmark, there are differences in the belt system, with Viborg Karate Skole having white with blue stripes, and the members of DAO having the red belt, as you say. There are also other minor differences regarding junior ranks.

DAO has issued a grading test syllabus[/url] based on the original layout from Honbu, that will be used at Sabaki Camp 2008. The goal is to make a smooth transition between the new and the old. I am very excited about the camp, and believe future plans will be revealed to the designated Branch Chiefs.

Osu!

Osu Yes I have got it in the mail from Honbu a couple of month ago. Very interesting reading. we had a grading i north of sweden in june and we have tryed to implement some of this in the grading.
I have to ask Kancho about the idé in some of the parts at the camp.
I hope to see you at the camp or...