Competing outside of Kyokushin

charger1 · 07-21-2007, 10:55 PM

OSU!
I have competed in Sabaki tournaments for the past few years and I was wondering how many others out there have competed in tournaments of other styles as well. Thank you. OSU!

**SHIDOKANATLANTA** · 07-21-2007, 11:35 PM

i would like to get some karateka to fight in some of my shidokan promotions. i find that most karateka stay within their own style as we've tried to get fighters from enshin, world oyama, kyokushin, etc... i'm more likely to get a kickboxer before i get a karate fighter for knockdown or triathlon (karate, kickboxing, grappling). shidokan bareknuckle allows 3 second clinch and throws. most knockdown fighters use flash grabs and no neck clinch (like in thai). we fight in other knockdown tournaments (world oyama, yoshukai, sabaki challenge), but i find that most stay within their own (style of competition). where i am (Southeast US). there are only a few tournaments (for knockdown). i support others. i am waiting for the same.

**ksan** · 07-22-2007, 12:07 AM

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Originally Posted by SHIDOKANATLANTA

i would like to get some karateka to fight in some of my shidokan promotions. i find that most karateka stay within their own style as we've tried to get fighters from enshin, world oyama, kyokushin, etc... i'm more likely to get a kickboxer before i get a karate fighter for knockdown or triathlon (karate, kickboxing, grappling). shidokan bareknuckle allows 3 second clinch and throws. most knockdown fighters use flash grabs and no neck clinch (like in thai). we fight in other knockdown tournaments (world oyama, yoshukai, sabaki challenge), but i find that most stay within their own (style of competition). where i am (Southeast US). there are only a few tournaments (for knockdown). i support others. i am waiting for the same.

Osu

I have seen this here in europe to, 10-15 years ago there werent many tournaments and the ones that were there were only very high levelled ones. then more and more dojo`s and organisations started to organise tournaments, also due to the split off`s of the IKO`s and so on. Now there are a number of tournaments around, some very high levelled, some less. So there is enough for everyone to go around. Our national organisation also organises match making`s for beginners 2 or 3 times a year, so beginners dont have to step in on tournaments they arent really ready for.

What i want to say is that building a tournament or a tournament scene in your organisation that attracks enough good fighters takes many years of organising that tournament. Some organisations are even comming together to organise a mayor tournament together (Diamond Cup in Belgium was an IFK-Shinkyokushin joint tournament and all mayor factions were represented, the first Diamon Cup a few years ago was an IFK-Ashihara joint tournament)

All i can say is it wont happen overnight,

Osu

Ksan

**SHIDOKANATLANTA** · 07-22-2007, 12:58 AM

i hear you Ksan. i've been supporting other tournaments for several years. i'm 41 years old and i don't see it changing much. the sabaki challenge, the shidokan team usa and world open, the kyokushin all american open are big tournaments here in the states (for many years). shidokan in the US (much bigger in Europe than in US) is smaller than other organizations here (enshin, world oyama, several IKOs, etc.). i have personally invited members from other organizations to come and support my events. i've been ignored. i still travel and take students to others events, as knock down is hard to come by here. hard stlye karate is hard to come by and the few that exist here stay seperate (unfortunately).

**ksan** · 07-22-2007, 01:19 AM

What you can do is (inside your own dojo/organisation) match up people that are equally skilled and have them fight one fight, this way they get experiance and dont have to perform in more than 1 fight. Make sure everyone is of equall level. Inside your own organisation that is easy because you prolly know who does what. If you get fighters in form other organisations make sure they are beginners if they want to fight a 1 match, or if they are experianced to go into the main event. Our line is 5 matches, after that they should be able to join in on the main events. The BKK in England hosts 2 tournaments side by side, same day all mixed up. There are "regionals" where the inexperianced fighters compete and "nationals" where the experianced compete. This way you get a filling program and everyone tastes the same atmosphere and fight on their own level.

Osu

p.s. if you want you can put up a small prize money for the winners of each class, this will bring in more fighters aswell. Make sure they are credible and check if you are allowed to do so with the authorities. I have seen it done, but i am not a fan of it (it does work very well though in Europe)

Aunty Ichigeki · 07-22-2007, 05:37 AM

We have kickboxers, MMA, Seido & Gojuryu fighters fighting in our match fight events & Bushin Ryu (what ever that is

) hunted us down this week so we may include them too next time! Because the event has a good reputation word of mouth means we've got fighters from two new clubs (one from a different city) for our event next week.

The relationship between these styles started about 4 years ago with women fighters from our local clubs getting together for mixed style sparring. This worked immediately because all our groups have only a handful of women who realise they'll benefit from sparring new blood. It took one coach to get on the phone & make it happen. This broke down barriers & some senior men came to watch/coach so got to know each other. I think women find it easier to mix it up than men because we don't have the ego thing going on that men might! We have a lot of fun with the other women... there's a lot of chatter & laughing.

We're exceptionally careful to be fair about the matches and I find it helps if I say "I really need someone this particular age, weight, experience, do you have anyone like that" because that makes them start considering who they have & once they say a name I keep asking about that person & describe who it is I'd like to match them with & what good experience the fight might offer. This personalises the invitation and the fighter feels valued... rather than like a lamb to some unknown slaughter. It may make a difference that it's a female doing the inviting too... I know Uncle & at least one of the other club operators seem to clash every time they speak!

Next time we host the NZ Kyokushin Nationals (2009) we will definitely try inviting these clubs. It will be a good test whether they are interested in tournament now they know us or if match fighting is the limit of their interest.

charger1 · 07-22-2007, 07:04 AM

Thank you for the info, are there any af these styles and competitions in the west? (California, Nevada, etc.)

Aunty Ichigeki · 07-22-2007, 07:29 AM

Ours are more South East really...

Closer to Australia than Nevada I'm afraid!

schuyler · 07-23-2007, 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by charger1

Thank you for the info, are there any af these styles and competitions in the west? (California, Nevada, etc.)

There's the Kyokushin Challenge in Washington State.

Charger, did you fight in this year's Sabaki Challenge in Denver?

feels · 07-23-2007, 11:58 PM

I think some Enshin Karate fighters know about the U.S. Weight Category held in L.A. every year. But I couldn't imagine people from my dojo entering other karate tournaments aside from our own. If they are, they're doing it without the knowledge of many senpai.

Kurisu · 07-24-2007, 01:28 AM

Someone from the LA dojo used to fight in Muay Thai matches. I'm sure there are other ppl doing it as well.

feels · 07-24-2007, 02:45 AM

Joji Hibino was an exception. The L.A. Dojo has been more youth-oriented since then.

Aunty Ichigeki · 07-24-2007, 04:13 AM

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Originally Posted by feels

Joji Hibino was an exception. The L.A. Dojo has been more youth-oriented since then.

Did Senpai Joji fight Muay Thai? That would explain a lot.

feels · 07-24-2007, 05:01 AM

Yeah, his MT trophies are on display at Torrance Dojo. Some of them are broken though.

charger1 · 07-24-2007, 06:30 AM

Yes I did compete in Denver this last April. I really enjoyed the experience, I also hope to compete again next year. OSU!

Kyokugen · 07-28-2007, 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by SHIDOKANATLANTA

i would like to get some karateka to fight in some of my shidokan promotions. i find that most karateka stay within their own style as we've tried to get fighters from enshin, world oyama, kyokushin, etc... i'm more likely to get a kickboxer before i get a karate fighter for knockdown or triathlon (karate, kickboxing, grappling). shidokan bareknuckle allows 3 second clinch and throws. most knockdown fighters use flash grabs and no neck clinch (like in thai). we fight in other knockdown tournaments (world oyama, yoshukai, sabaki challenge), but i find that most stay within their own (style of competition). where i am (Southeast US). there are only a few tournaments (for knockdown). i support others. i am waiting for the same.

Wow..that's what I've been dreaming all the time,having kumite with other great karate from other organisation.

**SHIDOKANATLANTA** · 07-29-2007, 01:42 AM

there are 2 major shidokan tournaments a year in the states, team usa and the world open. i put on show in atlanta (pro and amateur). i have a hard time getting karateka to compete. come on down to atlanta and help me promote real karate.

yoshukai · 08-11-2007, 11:17 PM

Osu Shidokanatlanta,

I was at the yoshukai knockdown tournament a few weeks ago and I noticed that you didn't have any knockdown fighters this time. I was somewhat dissappointed, because I always enjoy watching your fighters. Do any of your fighters plan on fighting knockdown at the upcoming World Oyama tournament in december?

Osu!

bushido spirit · 08-17-2007, 03:33 AM

i havnt joind a tornument but i had a faight with a guy from shotokan rules , it was totaly diff. i lost some how with foul moves ( as wat he said ) i never knew that gedan mawashi is against the rules !!!

Spirit · 08-17-2007, 12:53 PM

I would say that everyone should compete in every type of tournament one can... No matter what the rules are, if you think you would like to fight in that tourney then just do it.
Do not hold back because you are "Kyokushin etc" an think you can only fight in K/D.
That is just B/S, fighting in different types of tourney's gives you a different light on things. One never knows until you try.
If you live in a bubble you will die in one to

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