Thinking about quitting...

[tmd]

Very much looking forward to seeing how this is handled by your Sensei.

[Paedde]

I talked with sensei before class and the training changed. We still played some soccer and I injured my big toe while doing it... But at least we trained proper, kumite techniques with thai pads first and in the second session kihon. I hope it stays that way now...

Osu

[Bloke]

Well thats a good first step (minus the injured toe of course)

Glad it has improved.

[tmd]

A very positive out come so far... Think this is one for all Instructors to note.

[Dent]

Osu!

That is encouraging to hear. Did you offer to help? Was the offer accepted?

Osu!

[Spirit]

Paedde,
sorry but I can't agree with the others...
Just because you spoke to them and things changed , they will not stay that way[I Hope I'm Wrong] but people are very focused on doing what they like not what they should do!

Kid get out , take a break from training a month or so, really its OK to do this. If you really wish to train after being out for a month or 2 you'll get dreams and other signals from the mind.

I got to say, [my view and not attended to insult anyone or think] soccer has no place in a dojo as kumute or kihon has no place on the field....

You go to the dojo for one thing and one thing only, if you need a wormup then hit the bag first, or do kata etc but doing something else "In the dojo" is not what I feel is right.
Doing new things and intergrating other ways to improve, yes do it and do it well, but soccer or other games I really can't see its use other than waisting time that should be used to improve other Karate skills!!!

So shut off your computor, wash your gi and put it in the closet, go out and find something eles to do or do nothing at all, but take a break and then see where your head is after the summer is over or winter whatever it is in your country.

[hasbeen]

Originally Posted by Spirit

Paedde,
sorry but I can't agree with the others...
Just because you spoke to them and things changed , they will not stay that way[I Hope I'm Wrong] but people are very focused on doing what they like not what they should do!

Kid get out , take a break from training a month or so, really its OK to do this. If you really wish to train after being out for a month or 2 you'll get dreams and other signals from the mind.

I got to say, [my view and not attended to insult anyone or think] soccer has no place in a dojo as kumute or kihon has no place on the field....

You go to the dojo for one thing and one thing only, if you need a wormup then hit the bag first, or do kata etc but doing something else "In the dojo" is not what I feel is right.
Doing new things and intergrating other ways to improve, yes do it and do it well, but soccer or other games I really can't see its use other than waisting time that should be used to improve other Karate skills!!!

So shut off your computor, wash your gi and put it in the closet, go out and find something eles to do or do nothing at all, but take a break and then see where your head is after the summer is over or winter whatever it is in your country.

osu oh wise one! it looks like we`re thinking the same way on this one,have a look at my post

[Paedde]

Osu Spirit
I don't think I can stop training, I'm addicted... I could train 5 days BJJ and stay out of kyokushin for some time... But on the other side... The last belt test was skipped and the next one is in two weeks, if I stay away it's at least 3 more months... And I can't go to the national kumite training before I have at least my blue belt...

I've got mixed feelings... I'm not sure how I should handle this...

Osu

[Lucy]

Why don't you do BJJ as well on the days your not at the dojo? Some instructors get very stuck in their own ways, and like said before, do what they want and not should be done. Some don't even realise that the way they run sessions is not appealing to everyone. Do your training at this dojo and make sure your ready for your grading, but there comes a point in everyones training that you have to take your own direction and control your training for yourself. Maybe the Sensei thinks everyone likes the way he runs his sessions and to be fair most students will go along with it because they don't want to make a fuss or cause an issue. You've spoken up and made your feelings heard. See how the training goes over the next few weeks. A good instructor should cater for everyones needs and mix up the training to make it varied and appropriate to the students needs. Tell him your plans and what you want to achieve this years so he knows your goals. The way we work is to this. Every year our instructor asks us what we want out of our training and accomodates for this whilst planning our sessions. Its a tough call, but if this does'nt happen then maybe this club is not for you.

[Paedde]

Osu Lucy

I train BJJ 3 to 4 times a week, now 4 because I won't go to the friday training again until they can promise me that I won't stand in front of a closed door again without notice...

Sensei knows what I want to achieve and I think that he wants to help me with my goals, but if I compare the training to BJJ it seems to be a bit stuck in the past.
What about inviting sensei and senpai to the BJJ dojo so they can gather some ideas?

This is a part I don't like about karate... It's so easy to be disrespectful without knowing it...

Osu

[Spirit]

OK P
let me think another way, what if its you not sensei???
Not saying it is but what if...

not all sensei's are instructors.

Lucy I love that idea I'm going to steal it in kind!!!

[kakatootoshi]

Dear Paedde,
Could you tell us the belt demography in your Dojo?
Indeed everyone in the Dojo has the right to contribute to make the Dojo a better place, but I feel a bit unright when suddenly a low grade (you say you do not have a blue belt yet) comes up and gives ideas to the Sensei and things change just like that. I am not saying the whole thing is impossible or should not happen, just that I have to stay on the cautious track.

OSU!

[ksan]

I Think lucy and spirit are right.. everyone should feel their needs met in the dojo... if your going for a grading you should get stuff thats on the grading, if your going for tournaments their should be kumite training.. i also think your national organisation has a job here.. you cant expect a sensei to teach only nidan or sandan grading stuff for a year because two people in the dojo are going for those grades the rest in the dojo might not be ready for that... the organisation has a job there aswell (imho) you said it yourself.. if i pass my bluebelt, i can go to national training for tournaments"... Your sensei at the short term should make space in the class to help you (and possibly others) get ready for bluebelt. After that you have the option to go to national sessions and learn there aswell. In my opinion playing soccer for an hour to "warm up" isnt proper karate training and your right to say that that isnt worth it in the money and time you have to invest in it. You can also warm up doing preperation for the stuff thats going to be dealt with during the rest of the class... ur going to be doing a lot of kata that lesson.. use movement in stances during the warm up, ur going to do sparing and combinations for sparing, warm up with basic punches and kicks from a fighting position. I think your sensei should already know this (but as spirit says, not all sensei`s are good instructors, and unfortunately looking around me i see this more and more now a days...)(yet again a job there for your national organisation, though i advise you not to take this point up with them on your own initiative). If i read your profile right... you are from switserland and if your serious about your learning maybe its good to look at some other "kyokushin" dojo`s.. from experience i know that switserland has many dojo`s that teach, there might be more than just the one your at near you.....

But what ever you do... dont quit....

Osu

[Spirit]

Paedde, we need you to responded to the post to gain more info

[Paedde]

Originally Posted by Spirit

Paedde, we need you to responded to the post to gain more info

Osu

I must admit that I don't understand everything, for example demography.
What information do you need?

I'll at least train until the test is over. Then I'll see if things get better or if I'll take a break.

I think it could be a problem that I just have different goals compared to the other students. Almost everyone there is training for fun and most like playing football.

I have another kyokushin dojo 10 minutes away from me, but I don't like the atmosphere there, it's really agressive sparring (some students, including a brown belt... When you hit them once they just see red...)

If you need any more information or if you have some advice or critique for me, feel free to post.

Osu

[ksan]

demography means: "how is your dojo made up", how many people, what age, what sex, are there any children, older people, recreational sporters, competition fighters, kata specialists and so on...

It seems you also have a problem with the 2nd dojo... if the sparing is to hard,..just tell your sparring partner to ease up on you (but what you dish out you can expect back, so dont be fighting hard and then asking them to take it easy, it doesnt work that way) On the other hand a brownbelt should not be seeing "red" against someone who isnt a bluebelt yet... the difference of level in experience should be to big and the sensei should see to that.

But getting back to the part that u also seem to have a problem with the 2nd dojo and your actually just starting i think you should maybe look more at yourself than at the venue your training at (no offence)... just stick with one of both dojo`s (or both) for 6 months orso and then lets talk again...

Osu

[kakatootoshi]

Dear Paedde,
Ksan has given a very good explanation about "demography" and sorry for the confusion.

Sometimes it is hard to find the perfect Dojo and you may have to make compromises if you want to train. Just think in this way, if the Dojo really changes the way you want, then on the other hand how many people out there are going to be unhappy about the changes? I think there must be some. When you say "aggressive sparring" I think some people here will be quite happy to see hard hitting and it just turns them on! For some people this could mean very good training. My point is if you only judge a Dojo from your angle, then I think it will be difficult for you to find a Dojo to train hard, no negative meanings attached.

If you think on the bright side, now at least you have two Dojos to choose from, much better than people who are looking for Dojos in their own area and receive no answers.

The bottomline is, no one is going to blame you be it you stay in Kyokushin or leave, and only you can find out what is best for you.

OSU!

[Paedde]

Osu, we got about 6 black belts, a few brown, few green and yellow and just me and kids have a blue or white belt.

This brown belt is also known for face punching when he loses at tournaments and other stuff like that. My brother also trained there with me and he felt the same (both white back then).

I have no problems training kihon or kata or whatever, my problems are the soccer and the irregularity of the training. Of course there are always things I would do in a other way if I could choose, but I can live with that. Some people who have some goals would also be nice, but that can't be changed anyway. (By the way I was training with some BJJ guys today for about 4-5 hours... That how I love it )

Osu

[Paedde]

Osu

Finally an update. After a few weeks break (holiday) I was back into training today.
Training was different than what I got used to in the last few months, I really felt the kyokushin spirit and it reminded me why I am doing this.

I also spoke with my sensei and because there are almost no people training on friday, he will help me with kyokushin for MMA.

I must admit, I've got a great sensei and the problem are maybe the people who are training on thursday because they have different goals and it's hard to make a training satifying for such different people.

I'm so happy that I can keep training kyokushin without having to change my goals.

Osu

[tmd]

That's great news Paedde and I think one to pay homage to Spirit - all it took was to ask your Sensei?