Let's hear what students want!

kyokushin4life · 09-30-2007, 10:49 PM

Let's hear what students want their dojo to do!

koji112091 · 10-01-2007, 01:10 AM

I want my dojo to exist.

intwominds · 10-01-2007, 01:52 AM

Basically to be well balanced, to have a bit of everything I guess.
For me personally, I would prefer more of what I am struggling with at any given time, but obviously others in the class may be fine with that and struggling with other issues.
I really feel for the instructors, it must be really difficult to run a training session, especially given the varying grades, ages and abilities of the students.

**smoothsake** · 10-01-2007, 01:58 AM

The opportunity to cross train in other disciplines.

It makes sense to incorporate some MT/kickboxing so that we can learn how to incorporate head shot offense and defense. There may be some from our dojo who may also want to later compete in kickboxing events under MT rules. That being said, my dojo used to also do 1 night a week grappling with a Kyokushin/MMA senpai. That was before my time but I would love to also learn some ground technique too or judo takedowns.

I think it's important to keep the class syllabus fresh so that students don't get bored and complacent.

ojgsxr6 · 10-01-2007, 03:05 AM

For people who want to crosstrain, why not just go to another school in addition to your karate. When I was taking Enshin I was also taking Judo and Boxing.

ojgsxr6 · 10-01-2007, 03:07 AM

For my former Enshin school, I wish we would have done more sparring and body conditioning.

Kyokugen · 10-01-2007, 05:52 AM

I want my dojo make tag team tournament, group competition and basically the format is just the same like kendo

**smoothsake** · 10-01-2007, 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by ojgsxr6

For people who want to crosstrain, why not just go to another school in addition to your karate. When I was taking Enshin I was also taking Judo and Boxing.

Well for one the budget constraints. Obviously new dojo/gyms means more monthly and annual dues. Last month I dropped $200 on MT, $75 on karate, and $15 on my regular gym. That's a lot to spend every month on "fitness" don't you think? If my dojo would reincorporate a night a week to do something different that would satisfy my thirst to learn something totally new especially since karate is my first and foremost base.

ojgsxr6 · 10-01-2007, 07:57 PM

See I do about, $100 for MT, $75 for Judo and $35 for Boxing. Unfortunately, I also drive a 1989 Chevy S10. If you want your dojo to give you the opportunity to crosstrain (ie bring in guest instructors) wouldn't that be an expense that your dojo would pass on to you?

**smoothsake** · 10-01-2007, 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by ojgsxr6

See I do about, $100 for MT, $75 for Judo and $35 for Boxing. Unfortunately, I also drive a 1989 Chevy S10. If you want your dojo to give you the opportunity to crosstrain (ie bring in guest instructors) wouldn't that be an expense that your dojo would pass on to you?

Likely, but passing on the cost for a guest instructor should be much better than going outside because facilities, insurance, etc. is already a fixed cost the dojo operator absorbs each month. However, judo is pretty inexpensive around here (like <$20 a month) so I think I'll be doing that outside.

seienchin · 10-01-2007, 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by smoothsake

Well for one the budget constraints. Obviously new dojo/gyms means more monthly and annual dues. Last month I dropped $200 on MT, $75 on karate, and $15 on my regular gym. That's a lot to spend every month on "fitness" don't you think? If my dojo would reincorporate a night a week to do something different that would satisfy my thirst to learn something totally new especially since karate is my first and foremost base.

That seems like a lot for MT. Do you think you get almost 3x the value from your MT training as you get from your karate training?

**ksan** · 10-02-2007, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by seienchin

That seems like a lot for MT. Do you think you get almost 3x the value from your MT training as you get from your karate training?

My MT training has been vaery valuable to me over the years . But i wouldnt be able to do it at those prices

**smoothsake** · 10-02-2007, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by seienchin

That seems like a lot for MT. Do you think you get almost 3x the value from your MT training as you get from your karate training?

I only did it for a couple of months while I was living away from home on business and there was no IKO1 dojo in town. But to answer your question, no, it was way over priced although they did have a lot of things going for them (weights, jujitsu/boxing supplementary classes). I would price it out to no more than $100/month. But it was Fairtex, so because of brand recognition there was no shortage of eager young adult males footing the bill.

**ksan** · 10-03-2007, 10:47 AM

to get back on topic.... and i have been thinking about this (and i know there is a differance between what students need and students want) But how far do the instructors need to go to please a student. Personally i have always thought that as an instructor you need to decide what is best, and you do that from years of experience.

How do the other instructors here think about this, also in conjuction with the fact that students also need to be taught the things they dont like or are less fond of.....

Osu

seienchin · 10-03-2007, 02:52 PM

Ksan - that new Avatar is creepy. I liked the Ducksketeer! (if that is what he was called - I forget).

Anyway - on topic - The instructor's challenge is to build and lead enthusiasm in the student, so that the student wants to learn all the right stuff. Trying to teach kata to a person who is convinced that it is a waste of time is like flogging a dead horse. They definitely have to do kata - but my job is to get them to want to do kata, and once they want to learn, then away we go. Likewise with kumite, and kihon.

I just find the whole forcing knowledge into unwilling vessels experience quite frustrating, and I would rather focus my efforts on finding a way to demonstrate relevance of the learning. That way, I lead the student to a place where the learning becomes self-sustaining, even after they move away from/beyond my coercion. Ultimately, if the student can't (or, more likely, will not) see the relevance of the elements of the traditional kyokushin syllabus, then they need to examine whether they belong in Kyokushin. There are plenty of kickboxing and boxing teachers out there for people who just want to learn to hit hard, and nothing else. Kyokushin is far, far more than that.

And I do believe that people should fail gradings if they don't get over this kind of attitude.

I can be mean when I try.

**Olrac** · 10-03-2007, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by seienchin

Ksan - that new Avatar is creepy. I liked the Ducksketeer! (if that is what he was called - I forget).

Now now Seienchin, that's not so nice.

Finally ksan has put his own picture as his avatar and then you react like this.

That's really not so nice of you.

I want to take some repz away from you, but I can't

seienchin · 10-03-2007, 02:57 PM

Like I said - I can be mean...

Nah - he's a caveman..I'm a bear. I'm sure we'll sort it out...club and claw will prevail.

**Paedde** · 10-03-2007, 03:21 PM

I would like to train more often in a dojo and not in a (school-)gym

And I would prefer bag work, but I will get one soon so I can do it for myself...

KERRIGAN · 10-03-2007, 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Olrac

Finally ksan has put his own picture as his avatar and then you react like this.

I thought that was a photo of Alejandro Navarro

**ksan** · 10-03-2007, 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by seienchin

Like I said - I can be mean...

Me too

j.k.

(p.s. you can use it for avatar if you like)

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