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08-27-2006, 12:08 PM
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Self defence for women
Osu,
I would like to know what are kyokushin karatekas opinions on what a woman should do when faced with this situations: 1. What is the best defense against a motorbike snatch thief? (note: this happens everyday in the neighbourhood I'm in!) 2. What can a woman do when a man has her pinned down on the ground? 3. A woman is unlocking the door to her car, and an attacker grabs her in a bear hug from behind. How can she free herself? 4. A woman has a long strap purse. An attacker snatches it from behind. What should she do? 5. An attacker confronts a woman at knife point, asking for her purse. What should she do? 6. A man is taunting and following a woman then suddenly pulls on her hand. What should she do? 7. A woman is in her car but forgets to lock her door. A hand reaches in and grabs her bag which is beside her. What can she do? 8. What are some basic everyday objects that can be used as a weapon in a confrontation? Thank you, everyone. Osu. 
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08-27-2006, 03:43 PM
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Dear BudoKid2002
1. What is the best defense against a motorbike snatch thief? (note: this happens everyday in the neighbourhood I'm in!) Stay off the curb and walk against the direction of the traffic (so that you will not be surprised by someone jumping at you from the back). 2. What can a woman do when a man has her pinned down on the ground? No particular opinions on this. Just want to say BJJ needs practice! Do not expect someone totally untrained in BJJ to pull out some locks and holds when needed. So put yourself in that scenario and try out different ways. 3. A woman is unlocking the door to her car, and an attacker grabs her in a bear hug from behind. How can she free herself? I remember in one kyokushin video Sensei Eguchi demonstrates this with her husband. Basically she stomps on his shin, tries to break the hold, groin grab and jodan geri (cannot remember the order sorry). 4. A woman has a long strap purse. An attacker snatches it from behind. What should she do? If your attacker is on a bike or something moving fast, I suggest letting go for fear or being dragged along the road. 5 and 6 The answers to these two questions are more than mere methods of fighting. 7. A woman is in her car but forgets to lock her door. A hand reaches in and grabs her bag which is beside her. What can she do? I will say to slam the door back on and crush the arm, HAHAHA!!! 8. What are some basic everyday objects that can be used as a weapon in a confrontation? Kathy Long, a world kickboxing champ suggests grapping a pen with a hammer fist and stab the attacker using a hammer motion. OSU!
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08-27-2006, 04:24 PM
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Osu kakatooshi,
Thank you for your feedback, especially on #4. Many victims in my country have fallen into coma or died due to hitting their heads when their purse straps snagged when they are snatched. Osu. Arigato gozaimasu.
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09-20-2006, 11:22 PM
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09-24-2006, 02:49 AM
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i would suggest that in some of the situations if you get a close range of your opponent finger strike his eyes...hehe..whenever a girl asks me what to do if someone tries to do something to her, i say the same thing, to poke his eyes...hehe ...
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09-24-2006, 02:58 AM
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Dear veeevek,
I am glad you can still see the posts on this forum OSU!
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The things that an average person need to defeat a genius are training, energy, spirit of inquiry and an obsession for victory. The best lubricant in interpersonal relationships is humor. Oyama Masutatsu Sosai Last edited by kakatootoshi; 09-24-2006 at 03:37 AM.
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09-24-2006, 09:20 PM
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hey kakatootoshi..why did you say like that??Didnt you get my last PM??i was wondering why you didnt reply me..is it because of that that you asked??please reply..and never in life will i forget such a good form..hehe
OSU
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09-25-2006, 05:23 AM
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Dear veeevek,
Just send you a message, please check OSU!
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The things that an average person need to defeat a genius are training, energy, spirit of inquiry and an obsession for victory. The best lubricant in interpersonal relationships is humor. Oyama Masutatsu Sosai
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09-25-2006, 11:27 PM
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haha kakatootoshi...i didnt get you at first...lol...ya i still see the posts..lol...dude, ill pm u later ok...c ya soon...
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09-26-2006, 01:22 PM
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osu veeevek, eye poking applies in certain situations but not all esp when the attacker is wearing glasses or a helmet with a visor. there are a lot of snatch theft having in my country now resulting in deaths when they go off balance, fall and hit their head. and i would just like to know more what can a woman do when someone is pulling on her bag, especially those on a motorbike. osu..
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09-27-2006, 02:57 AM
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hmm..yes..thats why i said that it can b used only at some situations that is wen we get th eye clear..lol...it's better to carry a nunchaks if you know to use it..i have one always in my bag...i've never used it or will i ever, but it gives a special feeling..hehe...
OSU
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11-30-2006, 01:04 AM
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can you carry a gun in your country and is it legal to use it?...if so shoot the bastard in the back...
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11-30-2006, 01:07 AM
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Wait, better yet try to get and ID on the guy then Hire charles bronson, you know the guy from the Death Wish series...Well you know what happens next the guy follows the miscreant to his lair and then all hell brakes loose!!!
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11-30-2006, 10:39 AM
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One of the problems with carrying weapons is that if we are not extremely well versed in their use it may well be taken from us and so we will have armed our own attacker!!
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12-02-2006, 11:02 PM
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Dear Bloke, first let me say that you're completely right. As with every combact or martial art there's out there, one must practice daily to become proficient.
But the determining factor when been attack is intent, by this I mean what is one's intent on surviving the attack,if you're an untrained person, or neutralizing the attack if you are a trained one, if there's no intent you will surely be defeated, if you think that you are lost you will be lost. I'll make you a bet, I will put a condem to death harden criminal man inside a room, and four kyokushin ka of the same built, now I will tell the condem man that he's free and pardon if he can make it out of that room, who do you think will make it out of that room!..OSU! Sorry for that bit, you know us Americans are so damn violent...I apologize again, please excuse me...Osu!
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12-02-2006, 11:15 PM
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I will like to add that in the types of societies that we live, or have live violence is always a constant...I guess is what makes us human.
More saddly still is the disrespect that we show towards women, eventhought that most western style societies pride ourselves in giving equal rights and opportunities to women, women are not able to walk the streets alone at night for fear of been attack because of their gender. And is even more sad still that we engange in the practice of martial arts/sports so we can defend ourselves or love ones from vicious attacks. Luckily for me I enjoy the wanton brutality, the taste of blood in my mouth, and the ache of bone and muscle, from the excertion of combact. That's why I do full conctact!!!...OSU! The more you bleed in training the less you sweat in combact...Marcinko!
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10-14-2007, 12:08 AM
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10-14-2007, 02:45 AM
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A woman's perspective:
You will see from the theme below that I don't believe in using karate to protect something as trivial as a purse. Not only am I not prepared to risk escalating the situation for a mere purse, I actually am not prepared to risk hurting another human being whilst we fight like starving dogs over a trifle. Life is too short. If they are that desperate, they can have it, and I will pray that they one day have a more fortunate life. I will fight to protect myself, or another person. But not a purse. 1. What is the best defence against a motorbike snatch thief? (note: this happens everyday in the neighbourhood I'm in!) - Don't carry something that a thief might want in a vulnerable place like a bag, if you are in a neighbourhood where snatch thievery is rife. Then, let them take the bag, and don't fight it. 2. What can a woman do when a man has her pinned down on the ground?
Let him have the purse, as she wisely has nothing of real value in it, only those things too bulky to fit in her cunningly concealed pockets. 5. An attacker confronts a woman at knife point, asking for her purse. What should she do? give him the purse. No material possession is worth risking life or limb for. Throwing the purse down on the ground in front of him gives her a chance to run while he picks it up. 6. A man is taunting and following a woman then suddenly pulls on her hand. What should she do? Tell him to leave her alone - loudly and assertively, before he gets close enough to grab. Tell him to let go - assertively and loudly. Gedan barai, and then run. That's why we stay so fit. So we can run away, fast. (She is also far to prudent to be wearing stupid girly shoes that make it impossible to run. Or if she is wearing them, she is prepared to ditch them immediately, so that she can run). 7. A woman is in her car but forgets to lock her door. A hand reaches in and grabs her bag which is beside her. What can she do? Drive away really, really fast, and give up on the bag. 8. What are some basic everyday objects that can be used as a weapon in a confrontation? Carkeys.
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10-14-2007, 09:17 AM
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Personally, I thought it wasn't cool, so I got myself a 10 cm sword as a Jewellery (pendant?) 
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10-14-2007, 01:23 PM
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Sorry for this blunt and harsh answer but it needs to be addressed this way to drive the point home!!!
I read this post as being someone with NO training at all and as a open ended question. To give a definitive answer to any of these questions would be incorrect of anyone (well a select few possible)... The person being attacked, situation at hand (weather, sun, day, night, weapon, country, etc), the attacker (driven to commit or desperate, drugged or drunk, etc) and many other issues, all will change each time and 1 answer to any question will be completely wrong but to one of thousands of scenarios. The fact that the word "self defense" has any bearing in Karate is sad. SD is only good if one Continuously trains in full on attacks in the dojo to be prepared for them in the streets. Women are goated into thinking that Karate training will Give them power to "self" defend themselves. YES, if one trains in Karate on a multi day training schedule and yes, if she is treated as equal (as all women should be!!!) in the dojo and yes, if she is a driven minded person then the fact that she fights back DOES increase her abilities to escape the situation. OH by the way this does stand for MEN as well !!! So it is imposable to answer such questions in a forum and possible even in a dojo IF an instructor has never faced issues in their life that match the situations in the questions... (though I'm not purvey to experience of anyone who has answered to the question already and not aware of their past life experiences, the answer I present is to clear the air of such mechanical answers from those without the needed life experiences to answer this post. It is not the intent to demean nor to take away any validation to their answers, but to shed light into this area that is often over shadowed by mouth piece instructors or people with a few months or a few years of training experience, without direct life experiences in this area to give direct validated answers to. Many of you may feel that your training has given you power to stand and defend yourself and that may be so, but until you face the attack it is the unknown and unanswered) To many instructors teach SD that have never face a one on one fight (not a bar fight or a little through a few punches type fight but one that ends up with someone severally injured or dead type fight) in the street never mind being attacked by an over powering person. Yes, many of you fight KD, and think this will give you the edge in the street, But I ask this, think how you feel at a tourney, stomach all turning and heart beating. Well add 100 fold to that, and that is what you feel when you are faced with an fight or attack on the street. Also how desperate are you in life that you are willing to violate another person or even take their life? If you are not of said mind or lived within its boundaries or experienced it first hand for years at a time then possible it would be best to allow the person(s) who have answer and also learn from them at the same time. This also brings up the question is their any validation to MA train that will help in this type of situations? I would say that Yes they will help over those that do not! Is it a guarantee that it will help no, to many variable's will come into play... Example, as a women are you treated like the men in the dojo >>> hit hard forced to train to the breaking point an then pushed past it, taught to destroy the object in front of you, challenged in every class etc, etc>>>> Statistics do show that when a women is attacked and she fights back the chances of her escaping do rise to about 50-80% more that those who don't If you have never faced, terror of an attack, being beaten, or mugged, or a sever street fight where you need to win or be severely beaten.... Then you have no place to answer these question, no matter how much dojo training or years in Karate you have. Answers like Kata's to this question where very well thought out and answered within experiences or examples and stating that he has no experience's or example to answer excellent Seienchin to gives examples that do not build the mind as to think that a little training will make me invulnerable to attack., excellent. It is very easy for one to sit on their ass or stand in front of a class to give answers to questions about what to do if this or that happens. Awareness is far better to teach (examples also given in seienchin's post) of what not to do I have ... and this happens... "don't carry that or put yourself in that.... Once awareness is taught then drilling of escape drills would be taught and helpful (if practiced often and train with full power). Keep yourself safe by not being in a place that can happen, if that is not an option for you then add to your protection by grouping up or not doing things that will put you in a place of easy targeting or as a mark. Simple answer yes am I at all correct, most likely I just touched the surface of what really needs to be addressed by a more experiences person other than myself. Please give this some thought!
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