Have you fought in street?

[Kyokushin_Practioner]

the only problem with walking away,is that when you turn your back to walk away,someone could

stab you in the back
sucker punch you
hit you with a beer bottle
jump on your back and start choking or hitting you

and plenty of other things.but i do agree you should avoid fights at all cost,but sometimes fights can't be avoided and there's no other choice.im just keeping it real.a wise Martial Artist once said "fighting is not always the answer,but when it is the answer,it's the only answer".

[Kyokushin_Practioner]

Originally Posted by eamoncramb

im still at scgool and i had been training in kyokushin for abourt 2-3 years when this happened this boy was tormenting me for weeks and i was getting so enoyed about this he was saying things even about my mum and we all no how much that enoys u so i told teachers but they didnt do anything so one day i spoke back insulting him so the next day he cums up to me and says why u say blah blah blah about me so he started pushing me then trying to punch me so i bloked it and then shuved my bottle of water to my friend then decked him with a straight yakuzuki it was a hit or get hit situation im afraid then hge got up and charged at me so i redirected him into the wall then kept punching him and he ran away crying so m,uch he could hardly breath and he was about 14 its not very often u c a boy tht age crying where i cum from but i felt o guilty after it because he had lumps on his head where i punched and i realized how much kyokushin has helped me top fight this was me first real fight asnd it was scary so i just keep on hitting him i didnt no wat to do or when to stop but now i realize i should of walked away because i am more mature and kyokushin has taught me that fighting os a last resort osu sorry 4 how long it is lol osu

i wouldn't feel to bad,anyone that is picking on someone is pretty much ASKING for a beating eventually.people can only take abuse for so long,we are only human after all.

[vapor]

Well, while we may be human, we do have the obligation as trained karateka, to live by a higher standard, and do all in our effort to avoid confrontation----or we become, as Seienchin likes to put it, "nothing more than trained thugs".

vapor

[hasbeen]

i have actually seen a high ranking kyokushin heavyweight working on a door have a knife pulled on him, the guy was waving the knife with his chin sticking out and i knew this guy was as good as it gets with kicks so i watched with interest as to how he was going to deal with this guy.........he pulled something from his pocket which turned out to be amonia or suchlike and gave him a face full......a lesson for all of us !!!!!!

[jcc]

Originally Posted by vapor

Well, while we may be human, we do have the obligation as trained karateka, to live by a higher standard, and do all in our effort to avoid confrontation----or we become, as Seienchin likes to put it, "nothing more than trained thugs".

vapor

Osu! Vapor,

I agree completely with this, but sometimes it does take some kind of violent event (as described by eamoncramp) to bring this home. Mine also happened when I was 16 or 17, when a neighbour attacked me for telling his (8 or 9 year old) kid to piss-off! I went totally into automatic and nearly killed the guy. That experience was a real shock, but did show me that the training worked and gave me the confidence to walk away from (potential) fights - as strange as that may sound.

[vapor]

I don't live in an ideal dreamland world, so I realize that there is a time and place, often time with no alternatives...but I would not advocate actively looking for opportunities to "test your training".

vapor

[MaximNYC]

well one time i saw a man holding a woman by her collar. So i walked up to them and he immediatly goes "get the F away from me or ill beat the shi..." so anyways i stood between him and the woman and had my hands up.. so he pulled out a PEN, yes a pen, and tried to use it as a weapon.

So i backed up a few yards, and told him to leave, and he just left. it is best to avoid fights if you can. Anything can be used as a weapon, a lock, a bottle, a freakin pen, even keys in between the knuckles

[jcc]

Originally Posted by vapor

I don't live in an ideal dreamland world, so I realize that there is a time and place, often time with no alternatives...but I would not advocate actively looking for opportunities to "test your training".

vapor

No, of course not - tournaments are there for testing your training. Looking for fights in the street is just stupid and most probably land you in prison, or hospital!

[jcbel]

Originally Posted by MaximNYC

Anything can be used as a weapon, a lock, a bottle, a freakin pen, even keys in between the knuckles

When I was in school a favourite with the troublemakers was a belt with a big heavy buckle... I can't remember if they ended up banning them or not.

[Mikemok1981]

Originally Posted by MaximNYC

so he pulled out a PEN, yes a pen, and tried to use it as a weapon.

Sounds like someone's been watching the Bourne Identity. Although, for some quick damage it wouldnt be too bad.

[jcc]

Originally Posted by Mikemok1981

Sounds like someone's been watching the Bourne Identity. Although, for some quick damage it wouldnt be too bad.

What about 007´s huge range of dangerous pens. I wouldn´t want to be at the wrong side of one of those...

[Mikemok1981]

Yeah, maybe it was a lazer pen

[Kyokushin_Practioner]

Originally Posted by vapor

Well, while we may be human, we do have the obligation as trained karateka, to live by a higher standard, and do all in our effort to avoid confrontation----or we become, as Seienchin likes to put it, "nothing more than trained thugs".

vapor

fair enough,i respect that. and you are right.

[Kyokushin_Practioner]

Originally Posted by vapor

I don't live in an ideal dreamland world, so I realize that there is a time and place, often time with no alternatives...but I would not advocate actively looking for opportunities to "test your training".

vapor

testing your training and picking fights is pretty idiotic,but sometimes trouble does find you even if your not looking for it and you have to defend yourself sometimes.im 6'3 300 something pounds (im a pretty big guy) and i think that i draw unwanted attention to myself because of my size and some people may think "he's a pretty big guy,i wonder if i can take him!" or something crazy like that.im not the violent type and i do try to avoid fights at all cost but if there is no other choice and i've done everything i could possibly do to avoid the fight and it dosen't work i will have to try and defend myself.alot of people take it as an insult when you walk away from them,so you have to be prepared is all im saying.

[seienchin]

Originally Posted by Kyokushin_Practioner

testing your training and picking fights is pretty idiotic,but sometimes trouble does find you even if your not looking for it and you have to defend yourself sometimes.im 6'3 300 something pounds (im a pretty big guy) and i think that i draw unwanted attention to myself because of my size and some people may think "he's a pretty big guy,i wonder if i can take him!" or something crazy like that.im not the violent type and i do try to avoid fights at all cost but if there is no other choice and i've done everything i could possibly do to avoid the fight and it dosen't work i will have to try and defend myself.alot of people take it as an insult when you walk away from them,so you have to be prepared is all im saying.

Hopefully what you will find as your training matures is that you give off a clear but non-threatening message, that to challenge you is a foolish move indeed.

About 3 years after I started training, one of my friends was watching me walk out of the room ahead of her...and she commented that something had changed - that my walk had turned into a "don't mess with me" message, without me ever cultivating it as that. one day, people will know not to challenge you. That is when your training has paid off indeed.

[kindhands]

Originally Posted by seienchin

Hopefully what you will find as your training matures is that you give off a clear but non-threatening message, that to challenge you is a foolish move indeed.

Well wished but not always possible in life.....

anywho, fighing in the street is something everyone needs to experiance at least once in their life time.
the experiance gained will help you to come to realize that your training is not all that true and you need to re-think completely. unless you fought some smuc who couldn't fight out of a wet paper bag.

[seienchin]

kindhands - Welcome to the forum! Don't forget to go and start an intro thread, so we can get to know you better.

I have a different view to you about a street fight - I think that what everyone needs are the skills to avoid ever having one even once in their life. To my mind, prevention is better than cure. I know that this might not be possible, but I think it would be good if we equip people with the skills to avoid fights, to de-escalate aggression, and to run away if they need to.

[Kyokushin_Practioner]

Originally Posted by seienchin

Hopefully what you will find as your training matures is that you give off a clear but non-threatening message, that to challenge you is a foolish move indeed.

About 3 years after I started training, one of my friends was watching me walk out of the room ahead of her...and she commented that something had changed - that my walk had turned into a "don't mess with me" message, without me ever cultivating it as that. one day, people will know not to challenge you. That is when your training has paid off indeed.

yes,i am a Rookie to the whole training thing and you are right im sure.i know alot of my current views will change once i get deep into the Martial Arts. because i know people that have trained in the Martial Art for about say 3 or 4 years probably have a different mind-set after a couple years or months of training then when they came in.