Have you fought in street?

Fire! · 12-01-2006, 12:22 AM

Have you fought in street after training in kyokushin for over a year? I really don't like street brawls as you don't know who you are fighting against. He may be a killer with weapons, or much more experienced in MA or a total beginner.
Being a Martial artist myself, I really hate using the techniques for just street brawls or get tough because i know martial arts.
I would only use my martial arts skills to protect others. osu

Kurisu · 12-01-2006, 05:42 AM

Luckily, I've never been in a street fight. I've done so much dojo / tournament fighting that street fighting just isn't appealing. Plus, I think brawling is more trouble than its worth (cops, jail, lawsuits, etc.) Best thing to do - just walk away.

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Originally Posted by Fire!

Have you fought in street after training in kyokushin for over a year? I really don't like street brawls as you don't know who you are fighting against. He may be a killer with weapons, or much more experienced in MA or a total beginner.
Being a Martial artist myself, I really hate using the techniques for just street brawls or get tough because i know martial arts.
I would only use my martial arts skills to protect others. osu

Billy no mates · 12-01-2006, 07:24 AM

After training for over a year you should be fit enough to run away from a confrontation which should be everyones first and fundamental line of defence .

Ant · 12-01-2006, 04:05 PM

heh i wish i had 1 year of kyokushin training

Dorsini · 12-01-2006, 05:19 PM

As an instructor the streetfighting aspect is not so much appealing. Training in sparring and tournement competition, you develop self-confidence in your abilitites. In the rules of combat fighting is always the last option when confronted by a hostile individual. Those are the values of martial arts that are learned by the instructors that are taught to you, and passed down to future students. In the United States there are strict laws on martial artist getting into street fights. I as an instructor/student still avoid fights if there is a brawl.

satanclaws · 12-01-2006, 08:39 PM

unfortunatly i have

but only coz i interjected between a guy that was beating the hell out of a woman so i had to make him stop. used just enough to stop him till the cops came and that was it. the girl was a bit bloody but was ok in the end.

ryudo · 12-02-2006, 11:37 PM

Well there's street brawling and then there's fighting and then there's fighting for your life, is true that in the USA many states have judges that will rule against the guy who throws a spining flying kick to the guy's head while wearing combact boots and kills him. But if you're in a situation were you can walk away then what...?
Is good to be able to kick ass and take names, while chewing bubble gum all thru the time but is better to walk away if you don't want to pay the price, let me make a list:
broken bones.
broken lips.
broken nose.
jail time...yeah! more opportunities to fight!
eye pot out of its sockect, etc.,etc.
If what you want to know is how good you really are, and if the time came to it, would you be able to perform, then after one year of training try getting into a no holds bare competition and then go for it!
If the thought of getting into this kind of fighting makes you doubt for any reason what so ever, then you need to ponder deaply why you practice kyokushin, or have you practice hard enough!!!...OSU!

ryudo · 12-02-2006, 11:50 PM

Oohps sorry didn't realy bother to fully read what you were asking, I got lost on everybody elses coments...like the one about that's not what the training is for and blah,blah,blah...
Yes every now and then I gotten into a street fight, specially the time I spent in the Army, we always fought for one reason or another, somebody's wife or girlfriend you know the stupid thing people fight for, i.e. land, oil, whatever.
And no I didn't spent a year kyokushin training, as the matter of fact I wish I had at least a year of kyokushin training, the way you guys condition your shins is aswome, well the overall training in realitty have you seen the video where they pitted the kyokushin guys againts some kung fu school on japanese TV and the brucelee's got their butts kick so hard.
Man I can said kudo's to you all you have brought true karate spirit back, I said this because eventhough I love karate I am more of a judo/jutsu aikido guy...sorry can get my legs that high, as soon as I can afford it I'll take some kyokushin lessons again...OSU!

K1cker^ · 12-03-2006, 10:36 PM

I have to ;/

some times its just unavoidable .
My advice: Don't play hero if he/they has knives!

**ksan** · 12-07-2006, 10:52 PM

to my disgrace i must admit that i have been in the situation i have had to defend myself... All other cases were avoided by talking and smoothing it over...

**blackdog** · 12-08-2006, 12:54 AM

Before i started training i had got into some street fights.

I am a big guy, 190 cm and (not now) have been up 120 kgs, and i found for some reason my size atrracted trouble to me in some cases (go figure???)

Having said that, i can honestly say nearly every situation i had got into (whether my fault or theirs) was born of fear.

Why fear? Simple.

I am afraid of getting hit. Getting hit hurts. So in the past, if you threatened me in the street, i was afraid, when you are afraid you have two choices, fight or flight. If i chose fight, i would get in first and fast. Therefore i would get into fights through fear. I am sure this worked the other way around too.

Now i have been training for a while, i have less fear. I know there is always someone who can beat you, no matter who you are, but i also know that 3/4's of the population can't fight as good as a karate-ka, therefore i am less afraid. If i am less afraid, the fight or flight response does not kick in, so i am less likely to lash out at someone.

it takes a bigger braver man to walk away from a fight in the street than it does to go out whacking people every time you get scared.

The other thing i have learned in the past few years of training is never judge a book by its cover, i have had my ass kicked in sparring by plenty of people who did not "look" like they could. So you just never know who you might come up against if you start fights with strangers.

I think someone said before, the first rule of self defense, don't get your self into situations that could lead to violence. Walk / run away before it gets to that.

Now i have been training for a while, i abhor the thought of fighting a stranger in the street, yet i thoroughly enjoy sparring and contact fighting in the dojo.

Knowing HOW to fight, and knowing WHEN to fight are two different skills.

Bren

Sonik · 02-24-2007, 03:55 AM

I've been into several street fights when i was younger but since i began training Kyokushin Karate/Kickboxing/Ju-jutsu i only had three street fights.
In the first fight i was able to knock him out fast (it all started because he messed with my girl).
In the second fight it was me and two college friends who were attacked by a group of skinheads (they were about seven or more). One of my friends ran away and my other colleague knows nothing about MA but he stood in there. I managed to knock out one of them and then a bigger guy tried to grab me. I threw him down with a sotogari but he was holding my jacket (or no? i can't really tell because i had drinked already a couple of beers) so i fell on top of him. I started punching in the mout position but the rest of them attacked me immediately with kicks. I covered myself and rolled sidewards to stand up fast. As i stood up one of them tried to punch me and i remember kicking him with a mae geri to the face. And then the cops ( who were nearby) showed up (so the all scene lasted less than a minute). The skinheads started to run away and some of them were busted. They had already caused earlier disturbs in the area. We went afterwards to the hospital because my friend who stood there, was projected against a metal parallel and got a huge hematom in the forehead. I gained a few hematoms in my arms and ribs. After this scene i stopped drinking as i used to (not that i drinked much but enough to slow down my reflexes) and began to pay more attention to what surrondounds me specially when i go out at night.
Aout my third time, there isn't much to tell, me and a training partner were flirting two spanish girls and some stupid thungs strated to mess with us. Unfortunately for them our friends (who also train with us) joined us and we beat them up fast.
From these experiences i can tell you that we must adapt to circunstances the best way we can. It's always better to avoid fights because it can happen to you what happend to me in the second and third case i exposed here (you may think you're fight one or two opponent when they're actually more than you had guessed). They can also be carrying hidden weapons (knife, brass-knucles, a seringe with AIDS, street rocks, a gun...) which turns the danger higher or they may know martial arts as well (i know guys who train Kickboxing/Ju-jutsu and like to go out and mess up with people or mug them). However if you live in a tough area, it's harder to avoid these situations.
As far as it concerns the phylosophical aspect of this suject, i've heard and read that many ancient schools (Ju-jutsu for instance) used to let their students go out and start a fight so the students could test their skills. As such I think these ancient habbits contradict the basic phylosophy of nowadays martial arts such as Kyokushin Karate, but not like Brazilian Ju-jutsu.

X_Law · 02-24-2007, 05:29 AM

well im still in school, ive been jumped after school on an occasion by stupid people. if i was in like a street fight then i would only fight if it was 100% needed and my life depended on it.

Osu!

bwownwice · 02-24-2007, 07:52 AM

Hey guys

I must agree 110% with Blackdog regarding his explanation about fear. I have also found that fear inside attracts fear outside. What I mean is that what you harbor internally, emotions and thoughts, are often reflected and attracted in your reality. You may not consciously be looking for trouble at all, but amazingly, trouble finds you. In my experience, this has a lot to do with self esteem, self respect and self love... This dissolves internal fear, attracting better people in to your sphere of reality, and avoiding trouble. To paint you a picture, it's maybe the difference between walking around like a macho ape (looking tough) and walking tall (internal strength radiates).

I hope this makes some kind of sense to you like it does to me.

OSU!

Aizaku · 02-26-2007, 12:38 AM

I remember a few years ago I was mugged by two people, I stupidly thought "yeah I've had a whole year of shotokan training I can beat anyone" but then they started grapplig and hitting constantly again and again. Thats when I realised that all my training was done in a way that wasn't very effective for real life situations, now I've been training in muay thai aswell for a few years so that I could handle those situations however now that I have a better chance of coping in those situations I have the confidence to throw away my pride and act weak to talk my way out of situations like that rather than fighting.
looking back everytime I always think "damn I was an idiot" unless its 100% nesercary the risks aren't worth it no matter how good you are.

blackshield · 06-06-2007, 02:03 AM

Getting in fights is a hard issue to discuss. Those that get in fights on purpose to test there skills, are, in my opinion, idiots - firstly because you never know who will have a knife or worse, or five mates waiting with them or whatever. And secondly because it is the entirely wrong reason to be training in MA.

That being said, if you have to fight to protect yourself or those you love, hit first and hit effing hard - and I would say, don't stop hitting till the guy is down and stays there. This may seem extreme, but if you have truley done all you can to avoid the situation, and it gets to the point where violence is inevitable, you should have no moral objection to doing everything you can (you can damn sure bet you won't get any quarter from your aggressor).

If a knife is involved it is obvious to say get out of there! but that is not always an option... My advice would be to have some realistic knife defence in your training - it is the most common weapon you will face, and not knowing how to deal with it could be fatal... with that in mind my pointers would be:
1) get hold of the knife bearing limb, and don't let go!
2)use a cover/guard that covers both high and low targets (like the 'dog catcher')
3) expect to get cut - but try to limit where you will get cut
5)limit yourself to gross movements, ie - nothing fancy that requires too much dexterity.
6) whenever you feel confident in your ability to defend from a knife do a 'marker pen' drill - and it should bring you back to reality with a crash!

eamoncramb · 07-12-2007, 10:02 PM

im still at scgool and i had been training in kyokushin for abourt 2-3 years when this happened this boy was tormenting me for weeks and i was getting so enoyed about this he was saying things even about my mum and we all no how much that enoys u so i told teachers but they didnt do anything so one day i spoke back insulting him so the next day he cums up to me and says why u say blah blah blah about me so he started pushing me then trying to punch me so i bloked it and then shuved my bottle of water to my friend then decked him with a straight yakuzuki it was a hit or get hit situation im afraid then hge got up and charged at me so i redirected him into the wall then kept punching him and he ran away crying so m,uch he could hardly breath and he was about 14 its not very often u c a boy tht age crying where i cum from but i felt o guilty after it because he had lumps on his head where i punched and i realized how much kyokushin has helped me top fight this was me first real fight asnd it was scary so i just keep on hitting him i didnt no wat to do or when to stop but now i realize i should of walked away because i am more mature and kyokushin has taught me that fighting os a last resort osu sorry 4 how long it is lol osu

James · 07-12-2007, 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by blackshield

My advice would be to have some realistic knife defence in your training - it is the most common weapon you will face, and not knowing how to deal with it could be fatal... with that in mind my pointers would be:
1) get hold of the knife bearing limb, and don't let go!
2)use a cover/guard that covers both high and low targets (like the 'dog catcher')
3) expect to get cut - but try to limit where you will get cut
5)limit yourself to gross movements, ie - nothing fancy that requires too much dexterity.
6) whenever you feel confident in your ability to defend from a knife do a 'marker pen' drill - and it should bring you back to reality with a crash!

Osu,

A point I would like to add to that....

a)When facing up for the (knife)fight, you need to modify your normal guard so that your palms are facing inward, this gives you the ability to to block knife srtrikes without exposing the insides of your forearms(where sum majorartoies are)....not a pretty situation

b) forget striking the guy...your first objective is to control that weapon!

Also, this is a life or possible death situation, and the odds are not in your favour, so unless you have done knife defence drills over and over and over again...get the hell out of there!!!

A good knife defence will usually involve a takedown with the grabbing of the knife arm..... your not in a good situation, if you just grab at the knife arm and start wrestling around with the guy!

your best bet...
Run!

If you cant run, get anything u can between you and the attacker, e.g pick up a chair,...or anything resembling a bat....be creative....you should try and use this defensive object to manuvoure yourself into a postion where you can run.

Ask your instructor to run a class on it, then practice ALOT!

boldbhoy · 07-12-2007, 10:53 PM

Hope that's the end of matters Eamon. Even I remember how tough it could be at school! Funny thing is, when I see you at mass you look so spiritual and angelic..... heehee, only joking. OSU!

seienchin · 07-13-2007, 09:23 AM

I've had a situation only once where I felt truly threatened, and averted it by acting assertively. Never had to throw a punch.

I was travelling interstate, as I was doing a lot at the time, so rather than eat in restaurants, I was self-catering. I was walking back from the supermarket, fully laden, and my unit was down a dark alley. I suddenly noticed that as I turned into my street, two men moved in a pincer-like action around me. I accelerated, and got to the alcove that surrounded my doorway. I tried to get the key into the lock, but could not, and they were closing in. I had a little "cave" to protect my back, so I just dropped my grocery bags, and turned to face them in kamae - they were less than 10 metres away by this point.

Seing me standing ready, they looked at one another, and melted into the shadows.

I moved apartments the next morning.

Perhaps this illustrates why the women on the board have not had stories of street fighting to exchange. I think that thugs who pick on men are doing it because they want a fight, so if you stand ready, they think "bring it on".

I think that people who go to attack women are looking for an easy target. Stand ready, and they are perhaps more likely to back down.

Truly, they were small weasely men....and I am not lightly built! I think I scared them!!!!!

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