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11-16-2007, 07:36 PM
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#41
Recentl i rang back home in new zealand speaking to my friend on the phone. He told me that one of our gym friends everyone looks up to got in a fight at about 2am in the mourning. Now this friend of ours is huge won veriuos body building titles and is the junior champion body builder for his whieght glass in the world. As the fight went on he was smashing these guys. But e didnt know about the other one of attackers had a knife and was stabbing im in the back stomach and also to the back of the head. He told my friend that he didnt even feel the stabbings until after they left. But in saying that he had being stad eight times. And now if he wants to compete again he has to have plastic surgurey. It actual was such a bad attack because i found out also that parts of his stomach was hunging out from being stab'd there. Any way hearing this gave me a shock.
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12-04-2007, 04:28 PM
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12-04-2007, 06:03 PM
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Aside from that I think every martial art that i have seen has some ways of dealing with knife attacks. I know in Jujitsu there are quite a bit but on some of them its one of those you have to be pretty well trained and practiced in order to get it right on the street.
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12-06-2007, 11:43 PM
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#44
Run!!!! lol
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07-07-2008, 04:43 PM
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#45
I thought I'd add my two cents which I think will be a summary and a confirmation of the many posts I had read.
1) First I'd say give them what they want if you can. 2) Run! ( Give them what they want first, it just might solve the problem and its down with. I hope you were smart enough to stow away an extra $100 in your shoe or a handy wasit wallet? 3) Sosai Oyama does say in his publications that an option is too grab the blade. 4) I echo the post regarding the Tomiki Aikido practice in my humble opinion they represent simple effective counters to any attack with or with out a weapon. Incidentally, study your kata hard enough and you will find them in there. 5) Low kick, low kick, low kick. 6) Remain calm? Yea, sure, right, you can try. Remember courage is not the absense of fear, its the abilty to look it straight in the face and say @#$#!, and then fight like hell anyway! ( in all honesty I''d sy ty to control your breathing and do your best to stay calm. ) 7) Unleash hell on the bastard, fight to win...Lets face it, you weren't looking to get into a fight. They choose you and that was a mistake! 8) I'd like to think that karate training gives us a charisma that might say don't mess with that person he is not an easy "mark". Walk like you have purpose and you belong there, don't be a tourist, even if its your own home town. 9) If possible and legally so, carry a firearm. Comments welcomed! Osu!
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09-17-2008, 05:02 PM
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#46
I took some knife defense course and I remember the teacher saying that these street thugs don't usually know how to handle a knife (for 1) and second, they are focused on the knife as much as you are. Meaning, they usually won't resort to kicking or punching with the free hand. If you grab a hold of the knife, in theory, they should drop it and grab you. But, they don't, they focus on not losing it and that gives you the advantage of going for their eyes, throat or groin.
any comments?
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09-17-2008, 05:17 PM
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09-17-2008, 09:19 PM
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Who has the time to find out if the individual with the knife is just nervous, or whether they are a professional thug?! In street clothes, no one knows who's who in the concrete zoo. Add to that the timing of knife usage. The more dangerous characters aren't going to wave it about in a threatening manner. If the time has come to use a blade, they will carve first, and share the portions later. That said, scared people with weapons are at least as dangerous as brave ones... Osu!
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09-17-2008, 09:45 PM
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I agree completely with you! OSU
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09-21-2008, 05:25 AM
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The problem with grabbing the knife is you may cut an artery or a vein. Even if you hurt the other guy, a cut artery will kill you almost immediately if not that, then at least pass you out then kill you. If you miss you could hit an artery or vein in your arm which could kill you. If he stabs or slashes wildly as you are trying to gain control of the hand/weapon, you could get cut repeatedly.
If you close distance when someone is holding the knife, you are in a range where his stabs don't need to travel anywhere to stab you. Moving in close takes away the only defense you have, distance. With all due respect to everyone, I agree with the running, I agree with the giving what they ask. Maybe a swift kick to the groin after you've established non threatening position. http://www.indybay.org/uploads/2007/...ds-up-1296.jpg Maybe throw a chair at them and use it to create distance. Maybe, maybe, maybe doesn't cut it though (no pun intended) I think this guy has said it well.
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09-24-2008, 01:52 AM
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Osu!
Although I've trained with several FMA instructors, these guys had the best handle on knives: Piper System - South African Knife Combatives As a preview: Osu!
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09-24-2008, 02:48 PM
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#52
Yikes! I'd be a danger to myself practicing those moves.
You know the adage, never bring a knife to a gunfight. The corollary to that would be. . .never mind.
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11-09-2008, 02:28 AM
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#53
My main focus in my training is self-defense. Always carry a knife on you. Learn to use it as intimately as you do you fist.
Here are the pointers I can give you all. Regarding my encounters with knives... Too many to be honest. 1. If you engage in a knife fight. Whether you have a knife or not, your going to get cut. You need to know where its ok to be cut and where its not. 2. Distance is key when dealing with an attacker. Practice this as seriously as possible. Side step and block the initial stab, slash, or what have you, and gain distance. Dont just block but push off them as to gain distance. 3. Watch videos on the internet involving gang fights and stabbing. They arnt going to stab at you once. They are going to cut whatever they can get and its going to be like a hurricane from hell. 4. If they cut you dont freak out. Your going to have to be mentally tough. You represent Karate so I expect alot from everyone in this category. 5. (if you have a knife) You cut them once, you get a free one. 6. Get intimate with the different grips with a knife. Reverse grip (Also known as an Ice pick grip, you see this alot in posers and the untrained), Standard grip (Blade pointed forward, you typical knife fighting grip, effective.), and the Hammer Grip (My personal preference and you dont see alot of people use effectively. The knife is held like you would a hammer) 7. (If you have a knife) Dont let them know you have a knife. or if they know keep it low next to you leg, with the other arm raised in defense (Back of the forearm facing the assailant). This to keep them from knowing your range. 8. Learn where to cut people to gain the most. Under the arm pit, inside of the thigh, the throat (Not as easy to get the artery as youve been lead to believe. I know first hand) learn the targets and learn how long it would typically take for them to bleed out. 9. Understand that you face death in this situation and this only if you absolutely have to. My kumites dont last that long because I try to finish them as fast as possible and as brutally as possible. If you have to fight, you dont just beat them. You have to set an example. You cant simply destroy his will to fight. The outcome of this encounter should be enough to destroy the will of the attacker and every attacker in the future. I sincerely hope this helps anyone who is practicing the way of Budo. Hunter Grant
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11-09-2008, 04:38 AM
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11-09-2008, 09:07 AM
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I've done similar drills where you put an old top on over your gi and take a rubber knife and put libstick on it. At the end of the drill you have a top which is now red. enuff said.
I wonder about the whole running thing though. If a person pulls a knife on you and you are within punching distance, and you do decide to turn and run - would you get away without getting cut? And if you have ever had anything to do with butchering animals etc then you really do see exactly how dangerous a knife is I'm also of the opinion that if you do need to defend yourself make good use of your environment etc - e.g. grab a chair,broom,garden instrument and use it or if possible wrap a jacket around your arm to afford some protection against a cut. At the end of the day one has to carefully develop some defense against a knife - to save come the day where you are forced to use it.
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11-09-2008, 02:39 PM
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6. The ice pick grip is also used very well by a couple of systems. I think that it's better not to over-intellectualize the grip, and react to the individual instead. 7. There are other alternatives too, depending on the number of assailants. Keeping both arms closer to the body has the advantage of protecting organs. The Thinker (ala Rodin) seems to be effective here. 8. Sadly, sometimes people need to get cut going in and coming out. The major areas are good, but even "lining out" the arms and stomach can be very effective. At all times the response should only be to neutralize the threat, not to take revenge for being attacked. Osu!
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11-11-2008, 05:35 AM
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I think this is a great training method. Realistic in terms of punishment/reward as nobody likes getting shocked and its easy to tell who got "stabbed". And the fear factor is there too. I also think the idea that you don't know who actually has the tazer till possibly it's too late.
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11-11-2008, 04:28 PM
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#58
Weapons stack the odds so much in favor of the attacker, I wonder whether all the effort expended to develop unarmed defensive skills is wasted. Maybe more effort should be spent learning how to recognize and avoid dangerous situations/individuals. Maybe more time should be spent in a bodybuilding gym to better look like a tough customer rather than looking like a potential victim. Isn't it more efficient to deter an attack than to actually repel one?
Of course if you're a soldier in a warzone or law enforcement officer there may be no other recourse but to engage, but for the rest of us?
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11-11-2008, 04:35 PM
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Osu!
Hmmmm.... Fewer ruined t-shirts, and a very real "Howdy" from the weapon holder. Thank you Chen3141, I must study this further. In the meantime, enjoy some rep! Osu!
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11-11-2008, 09:13 PM
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I liked the list there are some good pointers, Dents tweaks also work for me.... I have a list too.... Intro to the TMD SP manual: Rule 1) BE AWARE! Rule 2) Don't close yourself off to the World with IPODS or whatever. Rule 3) Listen to your instincts they have been around longer than you! Rule 4) Don't make eye contact with a potential threat. Rule 5) Don't engage unless 100% unavoidable. Rule 6) If all the above have been ignored and you have engaged use a low controlled tone and never swear, be flippant or derogatory. Rule 7) Try and establish a natural barrier if none is around keep your hands high and your elbows in. Rule 8) Establish the 'best' escape route - this may not be 100% trouble free it could even be through the weakest of the |
