Defense and Counter Ushiro Geri etc

[iceman]

OSU! I asked this Q on another site, and would like your views, This is for tournament fighting. Most replies said step in and Hiza the backside of opponent. I have seen these kicks used both high and low and also as a Mawashi type kick driving the heel or Kakato into ribs or head with devastating results. as a young short stocky fighter what is your advice as defense and counter against more experienced fighters who like these techniques. Thanks RTR

[kakatootoshi]

Dear iceman,
For a short fighter, stepping-in is important as you have to break the distance in which a spinning kick is effective. But nowadays many experienced fighters tend to mix ushiro geri with ushiro mawashi in their combinations so sometimes when you step in, you may double the impact of a ushiro geri into your mid-section. So rather then stepping-in, I would say "to follow the way the hips turn (and prepare your guarding arms accordingly)" and only experience will tell you whether the kick comes high or low, from sideway or straight-in. Blocking, evading and jamming the kick is the first step, and when your defense against ushiro/ushiro mawashi becomes natural you can then think about countering.

Kicking into the hips of your opponent is a commonly taught defense but few people can do it in tournament/kumite and I think this technique is even more difficult (and dangerous) for someone with a shorter reach.

OSU!

[ksan]

I also step in but not straight forward, but slightly away from the side his kick is comming from,... he will have lost a great deal of momentum, power and speed if he still manages to hit you plus he will be mayorly off balance... then its your turn for counters... i like to sweep the standing leg, sometimes i shortly lock the leg he kicked with, or just hinder it from going to a stable stance position, to give the sweep a little more chance & effect

Outside the dojo i would grab his kicking leg, lift him a bit up by the leg i am holding (so his standing leg isnt firmly on the ground anymore), sweep the standing leg and direct him to the floor using the leg i am still holding so he lands on the backside of his head or the top of his back (the head is better).

Osu

ksan

[Azimuth]

Slide in and turn in the direction of his kicking leg ( turn right when he uses his right leg ), then counter with a jodan mawashi .

[Bloke]

A difficult one to pull off but very good when it works is to use ushiro mawashi geri gedan to sweep the supporting leg. It requires great timing and works on ushiro mawashi as well as ushiro geri.

[ksan]

Originally Posted by Bloke

A difficult one to pull off but very good when it works is to use ushiro mawashi geri gedan to sweep the supporting leg. It requires great timing and works on ushiro mawashi as well as ushiro geri.

Shihan Matsui`s answer to Andy Hug`s otoshi kakato geri`s....




Osu

Ksan

[kakatootoshi]

Originally Posted by ksan

Outside the dojo i would grab his kicking leg, lift him a bit up by the leg i am holding (so his standing leg isnt firmly on the ground anymore), sweep the standing leg and direct him to the floor using the leg i am still holding so he lands on the backside of his head or the top of his back (the head is better).

I remember seeing a picture in which Sosai was doing something similar in the water (at a beach). He was like grabbing a guy by his leg and trying to push him down.

OSU!

[Bloke]

Originally Posted by ksan

Shihan Matsui`s answer to Andy Hug`s otoshi kakato geri`s....


Osu

Ksan

Exactly

I have only managed it a couple of times but when it works its very powerful. Unfortunatley when it doesnt work it can leave you sligtly vulnerable.

[iceman]

OSU! thankyou for your responses, We will work on some of these techniques and see which is the most comfortable to try and perfect. RTR

[Bloke]

Ive been doing a lot of sparring recently and another defence came to mind. It has to be spot on but with practice it can be. As the opponent turns use mae geri to the back of the thigh of the kicking leg - very painful.

[goldberg2310]

Originally Posted by Bloke

Ive been doing a lot of sparring recently and another defence came to mind. It has to be spot on but with practice it can be. As the opponent turns use mae geri to the back of the thigh of the kicking leg - very painful.

uups! it sounds like "kicking the a..."

it´s a good counter against ushiro geri, mostly done by experienced fighters. and it works...

[KDA]

Well if it a straight back spin then set your front foot and slide back with your back foot. you will stay at the distacne your front foot is. As you slide back though not to far, cirlce your upper body around the kick and drive forward with punch, pulling on your front foot to increase your forward movement...

What we where told was, you are at the distance or close to your opponent as your front foot is to them. You are sucking them out to extend their kick, which could cuase them to go a bit off balance or over extend their kick.
It is even easier to do on a spinning round heal kick versies as spinning back kick.
This was taught to us at summer camp great stuff

[tmd]

Best defense is don't be there - work with your dojo sparing partners to correct your distance and be out of range of the kick which is either long range or mid range so out of range can be out of the way ( retreat, side step etc) or so close it has limited effect, the second as a stocky fighter may suit you better as you are then closer to your short range fighting position. If you get nice and close there mawashi will miss the ushiro will have limited power if they are able to land it at all, a top move is as per bloke to 'take the leg', if you finish with a Gyaku Tsuki as they land you may well score for this.

[medguy]

In Enshin we move to the opponent's back when he spins. From there the possibilities are endless.