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[liuzg150181]

Good points regarding cross-training, however I think the more pertinent question is what one want to achieve doing martial art, or other stuff.

I am doing it out of interest and enjoyment, not exactly for competitive reason, so I have the benefit of not rushing my training in hope deriving some beneficial aspects. Moreover, judo and kyokushin karate focus on different skill set of martial art so there's isnt really a conflict.

Originally Posted by SteveK

Found a good short video on the Melbourne Storm Grapple tackle from my previous post - it was all about how they controlled the player by getting hold of his head and neck - the grapplers will recognise the techniques in the clip

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSu-uOiUz7E

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Rugby + Grappling? Caused a change of rules due to it?
LoL, that reminds me of an episode in the anime "Full Metal Panic? Fumoffu!", where a military veteran turned a bunch of wimpy and sissy rugby players into weapon of destruction on the rugby field using hardcore military training,"Full Metal Jacket" style(with hilarious effect though ):

You Tube

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[Dent]

Osu!

Originally Posted by liuzg150181

I think we had met before for few times,even though I came rather infrequently~~~

Really touching experience, but kudos for being able to do 30 man kumite.

Excellent! Even better to have you on here then!

The format changes were tough, particularly going from one kind of striking to one kind of grappling to a different kind of striking to a different kind of grappling etc etc. Staying within the rules, without moving into a purely defensive mode.

Think I may have to do it again in a few years.

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[liuzg150181]

Originally Posted by Dent

Osu!



Excellent! Even better to have you on here then!

The format changes were tough, particularly going from one kind of striking to one kind of grappling to a different kind of striking to a different kind of grappling etc etc. Staying within the rules, without moving into a purely defensive mode.

Think I may have to do it again in a few years.

Osu!

Wow, that sounds like fighting under myriads of rules, I guess it is hard not to get confused.
Stamina deteriorates as one get older, so better to do it while young.

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[Dent]

Osu!

Originally Posted by liuzg150181

Wow, that sounds like fighting under myriads of rules, I guess it is hard not to get confused.
Stamina deteriorates as one get older, so better to do it while young.

Quite right!

Well, youth is relative, but I'll take it.

Do you have any photos from SMARS?

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[liuzg150181]

Originally Posted by Dent

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Quite right!

Well, youth is relative, but I'll take it.

Do you have any photos from SMARS?

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If you mean photos taken with other SMARS members, as far as I remember I took a photo with them outside the Singapore Shito-ryu Association when they were training there,before moving to Farrer park gym.
Unfortunately didnt save and keep the photo,even though it was initially on the SMARS webpage.

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[Dent]

Osu!

Originally Posted by liuzg150181

If you mean photos taken with other SMARS members, as far as I remember I took a photo with them outside the Singapore Shito-ryu Association when they were training there,before moving to Farrer park gym.
Unfortunately didnt save and keep the photo,even though it was initially on the SMARS webpage.

I know the one. On a PC that crashed and burned.

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[FredInChina]

A Google search shows a facebook page (that I can't open right now...) and seems to indicate that the name was changed from Singapore to Sydney Martial Arts Research Society...

Maybe your pic is there in the cached pages?

1. Singapore Martial Arts Research Society | Facebook
   
   1 post - 1 author - Last post: 7 Aug 2008
   SMARS may seem to be uniquely Singapore but, ironically, it was a German - Romeike ... Or a karate kid against another who is into silat. ...
   http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?ui...879&topic=5374 - Cached -
2. Links on "Sydney Martial Arts Research Society" | Facebook
   
   SMARS is the "Society of Martial Arts and Science" and was formerly known as "Singapore Martial Arts Research Society". The name was changed in abidance to ...
   www.facebook.com/posted.php?id=52617513626 - Cached -

[Dent]

Osu!

The Sydney one is another branch. SMARS had to change the Singapore because the government "owns" it.

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[FredInChina]

Originally Posted by Dent

Osu!

The Sydney one is another branch. SMARS had to change the Singapore because the government "owns" it.

Osu!

I understand - that was worth a try , sorry it didn't work! --- digital pictures and docs get lost all the time --- As most people, I am yet expecting the perfect storage/retrieval application.
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[Godai]

I know this is an old thread but this subject it has been on my mind for a few days and I couldn't find the thread. Actually it has been on my mind since the original discussion.

I dont really understand the obsession of Wingchun stylist over guarding the 'centre-line', while it makes more sense in the context of certain weapon(spear or rapier) fighting(piercing the centre-line is more hit-efficient as that's where the vital points are,hence the guarding as well), it seems less relevant in unarmed fighting,since people can attack the sides as well(not unlike flanking in military maneuver).

I was shown a fighting method where the stance (similar to a fence) was set up so that it left pretty much only one opening (one side of the head or the other). That tempting spot would be where the attackers first strike would likely be funneled. This made defense easier since you kind of already knew his first move....you designed it!!

This reminded me of something Bruce Lee had said about JKD and protecting the centerline. After all he came from a Wing Chun background.

He said that he protected the centerline so that he was sort of within a shell forcing is opponent to attack the outside thus taking the long way around and making it easier to defend.

Just thought I'd throw that out there. Personally I like the theory...philosphy, if you will.

See, I knew there was more I wanted to say in the original thread. My thought process froze (spyware?) and I couldn't get into the files in my head.

[FredInChina]

Originally Posted by Godai

(...)My thought process froze (spyware?) (...)

age?

[homer_simpson]

Originally Posted by Godai

I know this is an old thread but this subject it has been on my mind for a few days and I couldn't find the thread. Actually it has been on my mind since the original discussion.



I was shown a fighting method where the stance (similar to a fence) was set up so that it left pretty much only one opening (one side of the head or the other). That tempting spot would be where the attackers first strike would likely be funneled. This made defense easier since you kind of already knew his first move....you designed it!!

This reminded me of something Bruce Lee had said about JKD and protecting the centerline. After all he came from a Wing Chun background.

He said that he protected the centerline so that he was sort of within a shell forcing is opponent to attack the outside thus taking the long way around and making it easier to defend.

Just thought I'd throw that out there. Personally I like the theory...philosphy, if you will.

See, I knew there was more I wanted to say in the original thread. My thought process froze (spyware?) and I couldn't get into the files in my head.

Adding to what Godai has said, when you guard your center line, your hands can move to the sides more efficiently. If you put your hands only on one side of the body, it will take longer time to reach the other side of the body. Thus, it is better to put your hands guarding the center.

Traditionally, the center line concept arises from the Chinese acupuncture system. It is believed that major vital points of the human body is located along the center line, ranging from the temple, nose, chin, solar plexus, etc. Also, about "attacking the sides" question, typically Chinese fighting systems advocate keeping your elbows in, and thus protecting the ribs.

[liuzg150181]

Thanks for the follow-up Godai, shall reserve my judgement but I dont take everything Bruce Lee had said at face value.So far from the video I've seen wingchun fighters who can fight well(Aaron Orr etc) keep their hands more to the side than totally guarding the centreline.

Though in terms of punching, it seems karate also does centreline concept with tsuki while in sanchin dachi?

Originally Posted by homer_simpson

Adding to what Godai has said, when you guard your center line, your hands can move to the sides more efficiently. If you put your hands only on one side of the body, it will take longer time to reach the other side of the body. Thus, it is better to put your hands guarding the center.

The distance btw side to centre and centre to side are the same, so why more efficiently? And what experience or experiment makes you say so?
Again I am not saying one should neglect defending the centreline......

Originally Posted by homer_simpson

Traditionally, the center line concept arises from the Chinese acupuncture system. It is believed that major vital points of the human body is located along the center line, ranging from the temple, nose, chin, solar plexus, etc. Also, about "attacking the sides" question, typically Chinese fighting systems advocate keeping your elbows in, and thus protecting the ribs.

I had already previously stated the relation btw vital points and centreline,whereas for keeping your elbows in I think most if not all martial arts follows this principle(and they keep their hands at the side,for example boxing).

[homer_simpson]

Originally Posted by liuzg150181

Thanks for the follow-up Godai, shall reserve my judgement but I dont take everything Bruce Lee had said at face value.So far from the video I've seen wingchun fighters who can fight well(Aaron Orr etc) keep their hands more to the side than totally guarding the centreline.

Though in terms of punching, it seems karate also does centreline concept with tsuki while in sanchin dachi?


The distance btw side to centre and centre to side are the same, so why more efficiently? And what experience or experiment makes you say so?
Again I am not saying one should neglect defending the centreline......

I had already previously stated the relation btw vital points and centreline,whereas for keeping your elbows in I think most if not all martial arts follows this principle(and they keep their hands at the side,for example boxing).

I think you've got the wrong interpretation. It's the distance from center to side VS the distance from one side to another. Distance from center to side is shorter than distance from side to side. Thus, keeping your hands close to the center is more efficient.

Yes, many if not most martial arts advocate keeping your elbows in to protect your ribs. I mentioned this elbow thing to answer the earlier post about receiving side attack while protecting the centerline. So, just because they protect the center line, it does not mean they flaunt away their elbows exposing their ribs.

[liuzg150181]

Originally Posted by homer_simpson

I think you've got the wrong interpretation. It's the distance from center to side VS the distance from one side to another. Distance from center to side is shorter than distance from side to side. Thus, keeping your hands close to the center is more efficient.

......and why would someone defend their left side with their right hand(unless necessary for some reason) when there a left hand ready to do so(which you dont even have to move much),if that's what 'side to side' means?
I mean if I need to defend myself with my right hand, it would be covering the right side(which is already there) and centre(vital parts),no?

Originally Posted by homer_simpson

Yes, many if not most martial arts advocate keeping your elbows in to protect your ribs. I mentioned this elbow thing to answer the earlier post about receiving side attack while protecting the centerline. So, just because they protect the center line, it does not mean they flaunt away their elbows exposing their ribs.

Oic,though there are other parts at the side needing to be defended,the chin for example.

[Godai]

Originally Posted by liuzg150181

Thanks for the follow-up Godai, shall reserve my judgement but I dont take everything Bruce Lee had said at face value.So far from the video I've seen wingchun fighters who can fight well(Aaron Orr etc) keep their hands more to the side than totally guarding the centreline.

I use Bruce Lee's comment only because it fit the thought I was having. It could have been anyone who said it, it wouldn't matter as I was addressing the concept The Turtling, if you will, to force attacks to the outside and around. (not protecting the center).
Just a note...this has nothing to do with the centerline concept as I have no thoughts on that. It isn't something that has any importance for me thus no relevance to what I do or believe.