05-01-2012, 04:32 PM
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Belts or ranks used by Sosai Oyama
I am just curious to know what were the initial belt system in kyokushinkaikan when kyokushin was still in its infancy. Back in the early 60's when kyokushin was known by "oyama dojo", i am sure they didnt have all the different colors and stripes we have now.
In "this is karate", sosai wrote, that the first class (grade i believe) is 8th kyu which is a white belt, and after 3 months of training, one advance to the yellow belt, from there another year to green belt, and then brown and black follows.
I guess the orange and blue belt and all the different color stripes are a recent addition.
I also have reasons to bleieve that the first belt yellow mentioned in "this is karate"(which is now actually 3rd belt in the spectrum) was also a later addition in the belt spectrum, when kyokushin got a little more popular.
Anyone have any information regarding the rank system employed in the early kyokushinkaikan or "oyama dojo".
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05-02-2012, 12:30 PM
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How much time from green to brown then? I mean a decent black belt must train at least 6 years.
white to yellow - three months, another year to green... two years to brown and other two for black?
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05-02-2012, 12:34 PM
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Osu!
Grading to Shodan could be done in a year. What does that mean for today's stretched timetables?
Osu!
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05-02-2012, 04:36 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Dent
Osu!
Grading to Shodan could be done in a year. What does that mean for today's stretched timetables?
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People were a lot stronger "back in the days"... remember, there were no internet, sitcoms, i-pads & video games! 
Everybody knows that! 
Osu!
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05-02-2012, 07:42 PM
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Osu!
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Originally Posted by FredInChina
People were a lot stronger "back in the days"... remember, there were no internet, sitcoms, i-pads & video games!
Everybody knows that! |
Ah! So that's how and why they knew all the Bunkai!
Osu!
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05-02-2012, 08:17 PM
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we had sitcoms fred....
3 stooges,
Quote:
Originally Posted by FredInChina
People were a lot stronger "back in the days"... remember, there were no internet, sitcoms, i-pads & video games!
Everybody knows that!
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05-03-2012, 04:42 PM
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In the early days....'72 belt ranks were as follows.....
White Blue Yellow Green Brown Black....
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05-03-2012, 05:22 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Chakuriki
In the early days....'72 belt ranks were as follows.....
White Blue Yellow Green Brown Black....
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Tadashi Nakamura, of Seido Juku states in his book he developed this belt system.
But in the sixties and maybe early seventies, they worked on white, green, brown then black.
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05-03-2012, 05:54 PM
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Personally, I like less belt colors...
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05-03-2012, 06:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Chakuriki
Personally, I like less belt colors...
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Osu... I agree, I honestly wouldn't mind simply adding stripes to the white belt until you make it to brown, add some stripes again until you get to black and then add stripes from there. The color thing isn't bad in my opinion, its there to gauge more visible process for those who feel they need it, and I've gotten used to and don't mind it, its kind of an expected default now. However I would welcome a simplified color system
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05-20-2012, 05:04 PM
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Does anybody have a clue why the colours differ from style to style? In Goju Ryu when we progress the colours become darker gradually: white, yellow, orange, green, blue, brown, black. I'd be curious to know what the background for colours in Kyokushin is?
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06-16-2012, 04:56 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Karate4Life
Does anybody have a clue why the colours differ from style to style? In Goju Ryu when we progress the colours become darker gradually: white, yellow, orange, green, blue, brown, black. I'd be curious to know what the background for colours in Kyokushin is?
OSU!
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OSU, I'm not too sure where the choice of belts comes from, toe it seems like personal choice of Sosai.
I love reading sites and forums where they give a philosophical explanation as to what the colours mean, you know what Master Ken would say about that LOL.
From what I have read, the colours went from light to dark as its easier to dye the belts this
way.
OSU!
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06-16-2012, 05:35 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Lowlander
The color thing isn't bad in my opinion, its there to gauge more visible process for those who feel they need it, and I've gotten used to and don't mind it, its kind of an expected default now. However I would welcome a simplified color system
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I think nowadays many more people need it and there is also a commercial interest in the belts colours and number of gradings etc
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