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[Sanshou_Jae]

Originally Posted by kakatootoshi

Sorry for raining on everyone's parade again.

If anyone thinks that this (a non-Kyokushin fighter in World Cup Team) is a new step, it is not. It happened first in the second World Cup in 2001, and that was not the only example. In that year the Japanese lost all champion titles but one (lightweight), and that guy was not Kyokushin. Tsukamoto Norichika Shihan could not fight to defend his title because he was caught smoking pot the year before (he was originally a World Cup Team member that time).

And for Matsuiha there also have been non-Kyokushin fighters in World Tournament Teams before.

Thank you for correcting me.., But I feel as long as every one takes a distrustful, pessimistic view of this subject, then nothing will change.

[Lowlander]

Originally Posted by kakatootoshi

Sorry for raining on everyone's parade again.

If anyone thinks that this (a non-Kyokushin fighter in World Cup Team) is a new step, it is not. It happened first in the second World Cup in 2001, and that was not the only example. In that year the Japanese lost all champion titles but one (lightweight), and that guy was not Kyokushin. Tsukamoto Norichika Shihan could not fight to defend his title because he was caught smoking pot the year before (he was originally a World Cup Team member that time).

And for Matsuiha there also have been non-Kyokushin fighters in World Tournament Teams before.

Stupid reason to get kicked out of a tournament in my opinion, not like its a performance enhancing drug, it could be argued its the opposite, but I understand it was probably about the politics of it being illegal and so forth...

[kakatootoshi]

Originally Posted by Lowlander

Stupid reason to get kicked out of a tournament in my opinion, not like its a performance enhancing drug, it could be argued its the opposite...

Neither are Opium and Heroin.

If Kyokushin is only a sport or wants to be branded as one.

[kakatootoshi]

The response from other Kyokushin factions is great.

Kyokushinkan
Kimura Dojo of Rengokai (broke off from Matsuiha, not Shinkyokushinkai)
KWF
Hamaiha (close friend to Kyokushinkan, also broke off from Matsuiha)

As expected no adults would join.

Elementary 3 boys
1 KWF, 2 Kyokushinkan

Elementary 3 girls
2 Kyokushikan

Elementary 4 boys
1 Kyokushinkan

Elementary 5 boys
1 Kyokushinkan

Elementary 5 girls
1 Kyokushinkan

Elementary 6 girls
1 KWF

Junior High 2 boys
1 Kimura Dojo

Junior High 1-3 girls
1 Hamaiha, 1 Kimura Dojo

High school 2 boys
1 KWF

High school 3 boys
1 KWF

High school 1-3 girls
1 KWF

[Decadent~!]

Originally Posted by kakatootoshi

And for Matsuiha there also have been non-Kyokushin fighters in World Tournament Teams before.

Shotokan karateka? Tae Kwon Do guys? Gotch Gracie? Wachya mean ?

[kakatootoshi]

Originally Posted by Decadent~!

Shotokan karateka? Tae Kwon Do guys? Gotch Gracie? Wachya mean ?

Seidokaikan fighters have represented Japan before.

[kakatootoshi]

Where is the audience?
http://gbring.com/sokuho/result/resu...okushinkai.htm

[ashiharakaicho]

Originally Posted by kakatootoshi

[size="6"]Where is the audience?

From the picture that is very noticeable. One would have considered that with them attracting fighters from outside, that perhaps it might have brought in more spectators, which in this case does not seem to have worked.

Or spectators are just too confused or tired themselves of the many different events being hosted that they don't want to support the smaller events anymore.

[kakatootoshi]

Originally Posted by ashiharakaicho

From the picture that is very noticeable. One would have considered that with them attracting fighters from outside, that perhaps it might have brought in more spectators, which in this case does not seem to have worked.

It worked very well. Shinkyokushinkai won before the Dream Cup even began.

Who cares about being OPEN ROFL! You?

Exactly in an invisible INTERNATIONAL event like this people are more willing to claim they are open in order to look good and forward thinking. Is not this claim a good publicity outside Japan, since people are too caught up with the banner of being OPEN?

I will wait to see how open they are in the male events.

By the way I have used the wrong picture. Instead of using those official Dream Cup publicity pictures from the Shinkyokushinkai website taken during the prize presentation ceremony which no one focuses on the audience, I used a wrong picture from outside which shows people actually watching the fights. My apology.

[ashiharakaicho]

Originally Posted by kakatootoshi

By the way I have used the wrong picture. Instead of using those official Dream Cup publicity pictures from the Shinkyokushinkai website taken during the prize presentation ceremony which no one focuses on the audience, I used a wrong picture from outside which shows people actually watching the fights. My apology.

Not a problem - that is what a good investigative reported will do - that also gave me/use the opportunity to actually see the real deal ... and not what the organisation want people to see ...

[kakatootoshi]

Audience for the female events (not kids):



Forgive my false report, here comes the accurate official report of Dream Cup courtesy of Shinkyokushinkai.

http://www.shinkyokushinkai.co.jp/20...2/dc201result/
http://www.shinkyokushinkai.co.jp/20...result-dantai/

[ashiharakaicho]

Originally Posted by kakatootoshi

Audience for the female events (not kids):
Forgive my false report, here comes the accurate official report of Dream Cup courtesy of Shinkyokushinkai.

Thank you - it does give an honest perspective. What is great is the trophies they are awarding even for the kids divisions. In South Africa, the All Styles association normally gives out medals and many of the FC stylist don't like that - they want big trophies and generally FC tournaments then run at a loss because the entry fees does not cover the trophy costs.

[kakatootoshi]

Some footages from the event:

You Tube

You Tube

You Tube

You Tube

[ashiharakaicho]

Osu,

The clips also give an idea - I have a question - in many FC style tournaments we have spectators around the tatami - in WKF tournaments they are kept away from the floor. Anyone know why this is allowed in FC type events? It does look messy and then the spectators seated can't see so they then too throng forward. When that happens it looks terrible ...

[Boaretto]

Originally Posted by kakatootoshi

Sorry for raining on everyone's parade again.

If anyone thinks that this (a non-Kyokushin fighter in World Cup Team) is a new step, it is not. It happened first in the second World Cup in 2001, and that was not the only example. In that year the Japanese lost all champion titles but one (lightweight), and that guy was not Kyokushin. Tsukamoto Norichika Shihan could not fight to defend his title because he was caught smoking pot the year before (he was originally a World Cup Team member that time).

And for Matsuiha there also have been non-Kyokushin fighters in World Tournament Teams before.

It's right ! I dont remember in which world tournament had a Seidokaikan fighters in the World Tournament of IKO 1. In the First and Second had some of traditional Karate too. So, this is not a new step...

I guess a little funny the title " World OPEN Tournament" but block some fighters by different organizations...

[Martin H]

Originally Posted by Boaretto

I guess a little funny the title " World OPEN Tournament" but block some fighters by different organizations...

There is a difference between world open tournament (open= open weight), and open world tournament (open = anyone welcome)

[ashiharakaicho]

Originally Posted by Martin H

There is a difference between world open tournament (open= open weight), and open world tournament (open = anyone welcome)

Thanks - that puts it so much into perspective - its a misnomer that can fool people because they only see Open and think it is so when it is not ...

[kakatootoshi]

Originally Posted by Martin H

There is a difference between world open tournament (open= open weight), and open world tournament (open = anyone welcome)

This is not true in the Japanese names.

Be it an open tournament or a weight tournament, the Japanese name usually come with the phrase "open tournament" first. If it is a "weight tournament" then it will be indicated so, otherwise it is an open weight tournament by default (there are All-Japan with weight divisions though, especially for small groups). "Open" is never used to indicate "open weight" in Japanese.

第28回オープントーナメント (open tournament) 全日本ウエイト制 (weight) 空手道選手権大会

[Boaretto]

Originally Posted by Martin H

There is a difference between world open tournament (open= open weight), and open world tournament (open = anyone welcome)

As i said, funny an "open world tournament" block ...