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[TriCityOsu]

I've always kinda wondered this...I know depending on teacher and training it may vary in technique but....

if Kyokushin is basicully a mix of Goju Ryu and Shotokan, are the basic uke, shuto, uraken, etc techniques borrowed from either shotokan or goju.

To me it looks like shoto....

Thoughts please???

[polarbearfighter]

The statement that Kyokushin is a mix of goju ryu and shotokan is a simplification
(it can often be so convenient to simplify things ).

Kyokushin's founder studied shotokan and goju ryu karate.
He then developed a new style, based on and influenced by what he had learnt.
I don't think that the idea or intention was to simply mix the two styles to create a new style.
It was probably more like taking (not borrowing ) what he liked best from each style, and change and improve what he wanted to change and improve.
(but that is just my guess, I can't know what went on in his mind back then ).

But I don't know which of the two styles had more influence on the kyokushin kihon wasa.

You can keep in mind that shotokan karate and probably goju ryu too (I don't know that much about goju ryu) has developed a lot through the years since then. You can find old footage (youtube) of Funakoshi doing heian and tekki kata and it looks rather different from modern day shotokan.

[Chakuriki]

How much of a difference can there be, they both came from Okinawa...food for thought.

[TriCityOsu]

Since everything has developed over time that would explain the reason for finding what works for you and make it your own.

arg ya sometimes I forget that little point that Sosai took what he was taught and put it togethor to work for him.

[FredInChina]

Originally Posted by Chakuriki

How much of a difference can there be, they both came from Okinawa...food for thought.

And it is said that before that, it originated in China...


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[Karate4Life]

OSU all,

since being a Goju Ryu Karateka, I'd like to throw in my two cents. Kihon looks absolutely the same as in Goju Ryu, with some few exceptions (Uraken a bit different, shuto a but differently thrown, age uke looks a bit different with the more pronounced body movement I've observed in Kyokushin,...). Otherwise, pretty much the same. Cannot tell about the Shotokan influence though...

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[FredInChina]

Originally Posted by Karate4Life

OSU all,

since being a Goju Ryu Karateka, I'd like to throw in my two cents. Kihon looks absolutely the same as in Goju Ryu, with some few exceptions (Uraken a bit different, shuto a but differently thrown, age uke looks a bit different with the more pronounced body movement I've observed in Kyokushin,...). Otherwise, pretty much the same. Cannot tell about the Shotokan influence though...

OSU!

Hummmm........ a punch is a punch is a punch...
It has been my experience that gojuryu kihon is much different from kyokushin kihon...
It is hard to explain in writing, but there is a lot more of internal power generated in gojuryu; the goju blocks consist of a simultaneous combination of a deflection, a grab or pull, and an attack... many blocks are done while moving inside towards the opponent.
The kata reflect the differences in kihon too.

I find the goju kihon (and of course kata) more complex and difficult to execute correctly.
I also observed many times that GoJuRyu black belts level of execution is more homogenous and identical between themselves, whereas in kyokushin, there is ofter a wide variation in the manner even high ranks execute the same technique.

I am not quite sure why...
Maybe it is the level of expectation for kihon and kata which is higher?


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