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[kazama]

Osu!
I notice in some dojos when they practice ido geiko , they always do only 3 steps forward and then 3 steps backward even if the dojo is large and has more than enough space , ,,
Not only that but they don’t change the foot position after complete Round-trip, I think this is bad and unbalanced way to practice techniques , especially when doing geir waza , since you work your ubber body when you turn , (Mawatte)
What is your opinion on this , and how you practice ido geiko at your dojo

[ashiharakaicho]

Osu,

We don't do too much idogeiko preferring renzoku waza (renraku), but when we do it - it's normally 5 steps as the dojo allows that. I've noticed with kids they step back smaller steps so we often go back 7 steps and as much as I admonish them, it just happens - but perhaps because we practise it too little.

Normal techiques we would do is first oi tsuki, then gyaku tsuki then oi tsuki-gyaku tsuki then sanbon tsuki (changing the order of the punches for stepping backwards).

Many of these we do back and forward but also with mawatte.

We then do jodan uke-gyaku tsuki then soto uke-gyaku tsuki then uchi uke-gyaku tsuki then gedan barai-gyaku tsuki.

That is followed by jodan uke-soto uke-gedan barai-gyaku tsuki then all four basic blocks with one hand followed by gyaku tsuki.

We also do mae geri eventually followed by gyaku tsuki.

A number of our combination, etc. can be viewed on the drop down menu of http://www.ashiharakarate.org/html/requirements.html

PS. How are you doing? Pleased to see you posting.

[kazama]

Osu! ashihara kaicho
My point was a bout working both sides’ right and lifts equally during the ido geiko
We don’t do ido geiko all the time, but when we do it some days it will be like this
5 or 7 steps forward and then mawatte backward then change side (lift leg at front) and repeat the same sequence,
We do oi tsuki , then geku tsuki , and then different uke wasa , then uke wasa with geku tsuki
Kukotsu dachi and mawashi uke , different gire wasa in zenkatsu dachi , then gire wasa with tsuki wasa , also jun tsuki and tesui uchi in kiba datchi ,, and some was on sanchin datchi ,, and some wasa also on kumite no datchi
There’s many other ways to do ido geiko in our dojo but this is to give you a general view …
Osu!

[ashiharakaicho]

Originally Posted by kazama

Osu! ashihara kaicho
My point was a bout working both sides’ right and lifts equally during the ido geiko There’s many other ways to do ido geiko in our dojo but this is to give you a general view … Osu!

Thank you - you are right in a sense that with the uneven count, one side is being favoured more.

I guess the same can be said for our renzoku waza - we are mostly left foot forward fighting stance and most of the combinations are done in that stance. So it appears that the "right-handed" person is being favoured to those that are southpaw.

Even our kata is more the right handed person although occasionally we do it in miror image which would then favour the southpaw!

[kazama]

Osu! Kaiho

i don't know much a bout renzoku waza , i only a few things from a traditional karate master ,, its a bout sabaki and striking at angle right ??

Its only my opinion, maybe I am wrong I think of ido geiko is a way to strengthening the Techniques and also teach you how to balance, it’s not a way to learn fighting, so being right-handed or southpaw. Fighter has nothing to do with that, it’s like when you work with dumbbells, you are not working your right side more than your lift ,, may be you can prefers one side if you learning a certain technique for kumite , (depend if you right handed or southpaw ) …

[ashiharakaicho]

Originally Posted by kazama

Osu! Kaiho i don't know much a bout renzoku waza , i only a few things from a traditional karate master ,, its a bout sabaki and striking at angle right ??

Renzoku waza is combinations training - although in Ashihara Karate, lots of it is side stepping movements.

Its only my opinion, maybe I am wrong I think of ido geiko is a way to strengthening the Techniques and also teach you how to balance, it’s not a way to learn fighting, so being right-handed or southpaw. Fighter has nothing to do with that, it’s like when you work with dumbbells, you are not working your right side more than your lift ,, may be you can prefers one side if you learning a certain technique for kumite , (depend if you right handed or southpaw ) …

Ido geiko is or should simply be basic training in movement and you are right that it is not to learn fighting.

[polarbearfighter]

I have had some instructors that let us switch legs now and then to try to let us train both sides equally much.

For example if we do geri wasa, we first go back and forth 3 steps in a way where we kick twice with the right leg and once with the left leg.
Then we switch legs and go back and forth (prefereably) the same amount of times in a way where we kick twice with the left leg and once with the right leg.

[kazama]

Osu! polarbearfighter ,, its almost the same as we do at my dojo

[supergroup7]

I've never thought about this question before.. thank you for posting this thread.

I would think that the purpose of Idogeiko would be to allow a student to develop the nerve/muscle/tendon patterns into their mind/body through relaxed repetition. The only way for our body to learn a movement is through calm relaxed consistent practice with not much change. It takes about 30 reps (without a substantial change or tenseness from stress) to start to ingrain the muscle memory. Each change, or tightening brings the body back to relearning. So.. to effectively instruct a basic technique/stance to a student, the optimal choice that I'd use is to have the student move forwards 10 counts, do Mawatte, and move forwards 10 counts, do Mawatte ( Rinse and Repeat :-) ) If I notice that there are many students still awkwardly struggling through the movement I would simplify by removing some of the difficulty ( ie: just moving the legs properly) for 40 counts, and then re-add the arms. I'm placing the count up to 40 because the odds would be higher that the student will relax after the first set from familiarity. After no more than 10 minutes of this, I would change tasks for awhile.. but at the end of class, I'd make them do the idogeiko again for the same amount of repetitions. Hopefully, I will see an improvement, and I could ask for more speed/kime.

I would guess that one would have to compensate, and even sacrifice, due to the size of the room.

[ashiharakaicho]

Originally Posted by supergroup7

I would guess that one would have to compensate, and even sacrifice, due to the size of the room.

This I think is the crux of any exercise or technique. Many Japanese dojo are very small so they compensate by having one group do and others watch, and then they swp around.

Currently in the place we using for our main dojo, we have space so we can do things. In our former permanent dojo which was only 60m square, we made a plan with combinations, etc, to prevent hitting or kicking the other person. Small spaces really kept everyone on their toes.