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[Sanshou_Jae]

I was wondering if all Kyokushin groups follow the same syllabus for gradings. I have heard for example that ShinKyokushinkai follows the pre-Kyokushin split kata syllabus.

When looking at different dojos around the world (UK, AUS, EU etc) the syllabus even seems to vary dojo to dojo & country to country, and not only by group.

I thought the ShinKyokushinkai or the IKO Matsui group Honbu dictated the syllabuses to followed.

Maybe other members could give a breakdown in their syllabus and the differences from their group's Honbu.

Please try to keep this thread focused on the syllabus and not on group politics

[Martin H]

Shinkyokushin follows the old Syllabus.
The only change is the addition of the 3 sokugi taikyokus katas, which was not yet included in the official syllabus when sosai passed away. Two techniques have been stricken too (uraken oroshi uchi & uraken ganmen oroshi uchi -although we still do them anyway as they are what we have always done moving in kake dachi and moroashi dachi).

Other than that, I can use the old belt-by-belt grading-technique list (10th kyu to 3rd dan) that I was given with my first IKO registration back in 87´
Nothing else have been removed.
Nothing have been moved to a new belt or anything similar.

Edit. One minor correction. The requirement for a self made kata for 3rd dan (I think it was), is no longer there. But that was a european thing, anyway, and not part of the international syllabus.

[Martin H]

As for IKO1 (Matsui), someone will probably give a more detailed answer, but they have moved a few techniques around to other belt levels, and added or reintroduced a lot of Kata that had once been removed from kyokushin back in the 60ies or even late 50ies.
They also changed a few of the kata (replaced tate tsuki in pinan ni with tetsui, for example).

[Sanshou_Jae]

Originally Posted by Martin H

Shinkyokushin follows the old Syllabus.
The only change is the addition of the 3 sokugi taikyokus katas, which was not yet included in the official syllabus when sosai passed away. Two techniques have been stricken too (uraken oroshi uchi & uraken ganmen oroshi uchi -although we still do them anyway as they are what we have always done moving in kake dachi and moroashi dachi).

Other than that, I can use the old belt-by-belt grading-technique list (10th kyu to 3rd dan) that I was given with my first IKO registration back in 87´
Nothing else have been removed.
Nothing have been moved to a new belt or anything similar.

Edit. One minor correction. The requirement for a self made kata for 3rd dan (I think it was), is no longer there. But that was a european thing, anyway, and not part of the international syllabus.

Originally Posted by Martin H

As for IKO1 (Matsui), someone will probably give a more detailed answer, but they have moved a few techniques around to other belt levels, and added or reintroduced a lot of Kata that had once been removed from kyokushin back in the 60ies or even late 50ies.
They also changed a few of the kata (replaced tate tsuki in pinan ni with tetsui, for example).

Thank you for the input... It is nice to see the 'New' Kyoksuhin (Shinkyokushin) is stick as closely as possible to the old!!!

I understand the need to sometimes evolve, but I think changing so much around, and taking things out and adding things takes away for what Sosai had refined. This is not a political statement just a personal feeling.

Again thank for the input.

[SKohai]

Why do we have a syllabus? Other than katas, doesnt all the belt holders train at the same time including white to black belt and do the same technique practiced in the class.
Anyway
heres a site www.karatetest.com
I dont know what faction it represents.

[polarbearfighter]

Originally Posted by SKohai

Why do we have a syllabus? Other than katas, doesnt all the belt holders train at the same time including white to black belt and do the same technique practiced in the class.
Anyway
heres a site www.karatetest.com
I dont know what faction it represents.

In differs between clubs.

Some clubs divide their students into groups by rank (and/or age) and they don't train at the same time (sometimes groups train seperately one day in the week but together on another day, you can probably find all kind of variants of that).

I've seen the karatetest.com website and I don't think I have yet found any differences between it and the shinkyokushin syllabus I follow.

[ashiharakaicho]

Originally Posted by SKohai

Why do we have a syllabus? Other than katas, doesnt all the belt holders train at the same time including white to black belt and do the same technique practiced in the class.

Having a syllabus just makes it easier to have a structured approach. Western minds think differently and it is easier to say you must know this and that for this and that belt.

Our classes are open, but we work on a 8 week rotational system - each week we will do a different kyu so all students gets exposed to the various requirements. It is just expected that those going for those kyu's must do them better.

[FredInChina]

We have a syllabus because kata was corrupted and lost!
Sanchin Kata + One kata assigned by the master = the whole system for that student!


Osu!

[Sanshou_Jae]

Originally Posted by FredInChina

We have a syllabus because kata was corrupted and lost!
Sanchin Kata + One kata assigned by the master = the whole system for that student!


Osu!

Only two Kata at your dojo?

[FredInChina]

Originally Posted by Sanshou_Jae

Only two Kata at your dojo?

Nope, my dojo has many kata, like all kyokushin union ones. This is not really a "dojo" thing, more of a Sensei Sempai relationship.

To my knowledge, this is how karate was first taught on Okinawa; only the very few students that were chosen after many years to carry on with the perpetuation of the art would be taught the other kata.


Osu!

[Sanshou_Jae]

Originally Posted by FredInChina

Nope, my dojo has many kata, like all kyokushin union ones. This is not really a "dojo" thing, more of a Sensei Sempai relationship.

To my knowledge, this is how karate was first taught on Okinawa; only the very few students that were chosen after many years to carry on with the perpetuation of the art would be taught the other kata.


Osu!

Ahhhh... Sorry for my misunderstanding

I was reading on the Kyokushin Scotland (IKO-MATSUIHA) website that they have introduced Bo kata starting at Brown belt and going up to and including Ni-Dan. Does anyone know if this has been introduced across all IKO-Matsuiha Dojo Syllabus?

[FredInChina]

You will find plenty of good info in this thread Sanshou_Jae


Osu!

[Sanshou_Jae]

Originally Posted by FredInChina

You will find plenty of good info in this thread Sanshou_Jae


Osu!

Thanks for the link Fred. It was a good read, but wow a lot of Kata that IKO-Matsui & Kyokushin-Kan are adding. I won't turn my thread into a thread about the Kata differences, but will keep it on the lines of syllabus.