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[Dorsini]

Is the do mawashi geri an easy kick to land. For so many years that I have been practicing kyokushin. The issue for me was that I did not time it properly. As of right now, it is alot more easier to time. What do you guys think. The video I have enclosed in this thread. Is a expert in utilizing this technique.

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[FredInChina]

Originally Posted by Dorsini

(...)As of right now, it is alot more easier to time.(...)

What happened?

[Dorsini]

It is alot more easier to hit my target. In this thread. I would like to know how it is useful to them.

[FredInChina]

Originally Posted by Dorsini

It is alot more easier to hit my target.(...)

Great! Can you tell us why?

[Dorsini]

To be honest it is one of my favorite techniqeus. I think it really has to do with beauty of it. The way a person soars in the air, and makes direct contact to the opponent.

[vapor]

I have never seen very many land on target in "real life"...i.e. dojo setting, or tournament setting....however abundant it shows up on highlight reels....

What is your secret?

vapor

[kakatootoshi]

Perhaps this thread can be moved to "technique" or "kumite" section for a better audience focus.

I think more often the kick of Lechi Kurbanov Senshu is called "Tobi Ushiro Mawashi Geri" rather than "Domawashi Kaiten Geri".

[niceguy]

kakatootoshi is right on this one, different kick altogether. Perhaps you can rename the thread ?

[Dent]

Osu!

Thread name changed and thread moved.

Osu!

[sandman]

It is a really cool looking kick and devastating if it lands properly. But it seems to me to be really hard to pull off in kumite, and leaves you awfully vulnerable if it doesn't land. Its not a kick I would just whip out there in kumite if I didn't have confidence in my ability to do it well.

[Godai]

While I can see that this kick can have it's moments, and timed right can be devastating in the grand scheme of things I see no reason for it. There will always be those athletic types that can do seemingly fantastic feats and who will excel in these things. But they are high risk and complicated moves that aren't good for everyone. Fighting techniques should be for everyone training to fight. The specialty stuff is just that, specialty stuff and more applicable to showing off skills. Some guys can twirl a gun 5 times before a can hits the ground and then shoot it out of the air. These skills aren't anything you would want to do in a gunfight however! Does being "that" skillful help you in regular practice? I'm sure it does as skill is skill. But the act itself is just for show. It is to show how skillful you can be. Like shooting blindfolded while standing on horseback. Great but not useful in a gunfight.
Or trick shots in pool

For kicks like these I see a similar reasoning for not wanting to do them. Sure you can surprise your opponent and feint, and fake then jump and BAM! But either way it would be easier and more controlled to just kick him normally. I don't favor falling to the ground either...not in a fight.

Very skillful and I'm sure that if you can do that well then you can kick normally well also. But all the time spent working the kinks out of that kick and the percentage of success would lead me to want to spend that time on a more sure technique.
But that's just me. I tend to prefer keeping my feet on the ground.

[Nix]

I'm confused. The kick in the movie clip looks more like a domawashi kaiten geri to me. When we do tobi ushiro mawashi geri, we perform it exactly the same as a normal ushiro mawasi geri, only while jumping and landing on our feet.

[Bardock]

Originally Posted by Nix

I'm confused. The kick in the movie clip looks more like a domawashi kaiten geri to me. When we do tobi ushiro mawashi geri, we perform it exactly the same as a normal ushiro mawasi geri, only while jumping and landing on our feet.

I thought the domawashi kaiten geri was way more leaning forward, like a front flip.. While this is more spinning sideways.

EDIT: Godai, it's true that it doesn't work in a self protection situation, but we've already had tons of threads about that topic and how certain techniques are no good for that scenario.
This however, is a wonderful technique when you're skilled in it.
Take for instance Marius Ilas.. Knee to the thigh, knee to the thigh, faint knee to the thigh change direction domawashi.

[Godai]

[quote=Bardock;140519]

Originally Posted by Bardock

EDIT: Godai, it's true that it doesn't work in a self protection situation, but we've already had tons of threads about that topic and how certain techniques are no good for that scenario.
This however, is a wonderful technique when you're skilled in it.
Take for instance Marius Ilas.. Knee to the thigh, knee to the thigh, faint knee to the thigh change direction domawashi.

I never mentioned self defense, I was referring to competition.


I'm not talking about a self defense situation. I'm talking about exactly what you are talking about

It's still high risk low percentage IMO, generally speaking and as far as how many can actually do it compared to those who can't. As I said above...I prefer to stay on my feet and grounded. And I would always instruct my students the same. And I'm talking about competition. The best I would do was to familiarize them on these techniques so they would have a better understanding of how to defend them.

Too each his own though

but we've already had tons of threads about that topic and how certain techniques are no good for that scenario.

Are you saying as a relative newbe here that I should have done a search first or that you thought I was close to redirecting the thread? Were you advising me not to?

[Nix]

Originally Posted by Bardock

I thought the domawashi kaiten geri was way more leaning forward, like a front flip.. While this is more spinning sideways.

I might be wrong here, but I think someone mentioned in a different thread, that there can either be MAE domawashi kaiten geri (front flip) or YOKO domawashi kaiten geri (from the side). As I am typing this, I see that the yoko part doesn't make very much sense (it is not exactly a sideways kick), so maybe it was 'SOTO' (outside). Or maybe I dreamt the whole thing up.

Either way, I do it the Kurbanov way. Circular motion, hitting the opponent from the side. I find it much easier and less scarier to perform - I'm afraid of landing on my neck with the front flip thing.

To answer the OP. No, it is not an easy kick to land. Timing and speed is crucial, as well as technique and proper set up. However, it is potentially very dangerous, as you can create immense force with momentum and sheer body weight. But the most important thing, it's great fun and it looks impressive.

We nickname it "suicide kick" because it may make or break a fight, especially in rules that allow the opponent to score points on a floored opponent. I won't even go into using it in a self-defence situation.

Osu!

[Dorsini]

Thanks for the suggestion. Your right about the technique. Since I have seen fighters like Lechi Kurbanov use this technique many times. He makes it look so simple.

[Bardock]

My bad, my bad..
I just assumed, since you put all those gun tricks in your post that you completely discarded these techniques.

[Godai]

Originally Posted by Bardock

My bad, my bad..
I just assumed, since you put all those gun tricks in your post that you completely discarded these techniques.

No problem.

I just used those analogies because I find them similar. Like a trick shot, skillful yes, but risky to use. Even in comp it is still a fight...that was my point. If you can't do this extremely well, being off your feet is obviously not as good as being grounded. Even if you can do it well, your grounded kick would be better (easier to be accurate) and safer. I'd rather not risk it.

Even boxers screw around once and awhile and do bolo punches. I think it's cheap and showboating. Many times all it it earns them a punch in their own head!!!

[Bardock]

Godai.. The reason I feel it's not such a bad thing, is that in knockdown when you're on the ground.. You will be allowed to get on your feet without the other person pummeling on you.
But yeah.. Even with my favorite examples of Marius Ilas and Valeri Dimitrov.. They do miss an awful lot of times..

Nix, I vaguely remember Senpai showing his variation of the technique.. Where he did it more diagonally.. Using one hand on the ground and performing the kick.. This made it so that he still stayed on his feet.. And the kick would still be very surprising and hard..

(Considering how I ain't the most experienced in this, I can't explain more than that.. But I'm sure you can try it out ^_^)

[meguro]

Hmmn, I believe the tobi ushiro mawashigeri is well suited to the conventions of knockdown tournament play, especially the kick with the three or four point landing. Where else can you try such a risky technique without being penalized? It's interesting to note that TKD comps feature many such aerial kicks leading to stunning knockouts. The kickers usually manage to stick the landings too.