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[hungheykwun]

only been fighting in 2 kyokushin tournaments.
i find when i enter the ring, i forget everything, esp against fighters that rush in like bull.
how do i train for situations like this in the dojo?

osu

[epking1]

Story of my weekend, just ask tmd as he was there.
http://kyokushin4life.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10825
you will see my posts later down the thread that mention agressiveness

[sandman]

It comes with time and experience. For specific scenarios like the opponent rushing in as you described above, ask your training partners to do that to you during your sparring sessions. Getting more experience dealing with that scenario should improve your response on the mat.

[Hangtime]

One thing that may help with "forgetting everything" is to work on training your combos. Drill them until you wake up in the morning doing them; when everything goes out the window, your body will do what feels natural, and that should be your combos.

Another tactic is to learn to be patient; I assume you are a beginner (10 - 6/7th kyu?) so I will also assume your opponent doesn't rush you and keep that pressure up for the duration of the round (and if he is, you probably have bigger problems ). Patience will help you weather the storm until he burns himself out. Work in a few training rounds where you basically defend yourself for 30 seconds and then go on the offensive; this drill worked well for me.

I hope these help!
OSU!

[FredInChina]

Originally Posted by sandman

It comes with time and experience.(...)

Yeah, if you don't have naturally that level of aggression, you must work to acquire it. Very few have that in their blood & I don't know if it gives an advantage in life outside of physical fights, maybe to the contrary...

The drills Hangtime mentions (30 sec defense before all out) will help you deal with a more aggressive opponent.

osu!

[emma_markwell]

Hi,

I personally love to watch a more composed fighter rather than a raging bull. I know this is perhaps not to every one's taste, but as mentioned above quite often the bull will tire quickly, and possibly have less controll over their technique and ability

Being a calm fighter doesn't mean you are any less detirmined, it keeps your focus and you are more likely to hear what your coach is saying to you rather than rushing in and getting too tired to do what they are telling you...

And remember the winner of the fight isn't always the one powering forward. It is the judges opinions at the end of the day, and if you are blocking and counter attacking more effectively than your opponants attack, and side stepping rather than straight backwards, with a high work rate, there is no reason that the more aggressive fighter should win.

[powerof0ne]

Originally Posted by hungheykwun

only been fighting in 2 kyokushin tournaments.
i find when i enter the ring, i forget everything, esp against fighters that rush in like bull.
how do i train for situations like this in the dojo?

osu

Actually used to do a drill a lot called "dumb bull" where you work with an opponent that just keeps chasing towards you. You work using a form of tai sabaki to maneuver outside them. You go back and forth and do this 5-10 minutes a class. Normally cupping the outside of the elbow and lifting it up while pivoting outside which exposed the ribs was the most common tactic we used.

I teach a variation of this trying to further expand on it.

Experience will make you start to be more calm, you keep training and with time it will come. Some adapt to the adrenaline quicker then others. I once cornered a fighter and stressed heavily that he needed to remain calm and not go too aggressive. He took it to an extreme and fault too calm!!! I had to scream at him to forget what I told him and to just go crazy which worked He KO'd his opponent the last round but didn't hardly do anything in the rounds leading up to that.

I fight a lot better if I'm seriously ticked off.

I don't know why, but I was crap in my early Tournaments when I tried to win 'nice'. A bit of real life experience found the right mindset (for me) and it definately wasn't a serene one.

I don't recommend that to all, but for some getting wound up might be the magic ingredient. Obviously don't overdo it and start foaming at the mouth, but experiment in training until you find your own 'optimal arousal state'.

Gary

[hungheykwun]

osu thanks everyone for yr kind advice!

[FredInChina]

Originally Posted by GJEC

(...)but experiment in training until you find your own 'optimal arousal state'.

Anger is a natural place to start looking for power; For most people, once anger is triggered, power comes with it.
Osu!

[homer_simpson]

I think it depends on your fighting style. For me, I generally don't fare that well when I am in rage.

[hungheykwun]

me neither. can't think straight and tend to hyperventilate when angry.. just like hulk...L

[FredInChina]

I understand Homer Simpson & hungheykwun...
I guess what I meant was controlled anger then - If you can learn to channel the process of anger, you can direct it towards generating more energy or power --- this is a great well to tap into, but there are other places to look into too...

[homer_simpson]

Well, some people can really turn into a mean fighting beast when fueled by anger.
So anger isn't necessarily a bad thing.

To answer hungheykwun's question, against such fighter, you need to remain calm yourself and maintain some distance. Maintaining distance does not mean backing away. You can use mae geri to aggressively push him away. Alternatively, you can also pack all your might into one single punch and punish him with the blow every time he is too close to you.

Remember that distance only buy you time to think. Eventually, you will need to use either your head or brute force or both to win.

[Godai]

Originally Posted by hungheykwun

only been fighting in 2 kyokushin tournaments.
i find when i enter the ring, i forget everything, esp against fighters that rush in like bull.
how do i train for situations like this in the dojo?

osu

I don't have a training solution for you sorry There are many variables with things of this nature and they need to be trained; not hinted at on the net. An evaluation of what you may be doing wrong as well as what you may be doing right. That takes someone watching you and helping.

But it is interesting that you use the analogy of a bull. If you envision a bull charge what do you get the image from? A bull fight perhaps? Well, then what does a bull fighter do? Maybe a strategy and some footwork/body shifting can be formed from there.

I know that a lot of strong and mean guys I knew who were not karateka used to love to use their strength. When we played football or did play fighting in the street they would always charge thinking they would put fear into you. (They did!). However they usually had no clue when it came to physics and applying that to fighting so they came in big. They raised their shoulders and expanded their chests. Scary yes, but also not good for them. That shifted all their weight and center of gravity "up" leaving their stability weak at the point of balance....their legs. In football....they go up and I go down low. Topple the tower that is top heavy.
In karate I would sometimes watch the shoulders to see if they rise but I would also watch the belt knot. It told me a little about where their center was going and I could also watch it rise to see if their center was shifting up. Sweep, sweep ,sweep!!!

But then watching body parts takes awareness and peripheral vision which is a whole other area of training. Oh yes....you can train that too

[majaimay]

Yeah pretty much all good advice thus far, you're definately not the first person to have this problem It still gets me from time to time too. If they do the bull charge/fall on you manuver where they absolutely crowd you and drop all their body weight forward so you can't even free up your hands what i've been doing a lot lately is wait untill they really have all their momentum going forward and then instead of pushing back which is what you generally do out of instinct sharply pivot sideways and let them trip over themselves maybe even throw up a hiza geri simultaneously they're momentum will drive it into them harder. It doesn't always work and some people can manuver out of it but i've been catching a lot of people with it recently.

[Grappler]

Originally Posted by hungheykwun

only been fighting in 2 kyokushin tournaments.
i find when i enter the ring, i forget everything, esp against fighters that rush in like bull.
how do i train for situations like this in the dojo?

osu

My BJJ coach says until you wake up in the middle of the night with your wife or gf in a armbar or chokehold it isn't instinct.Until something becomes instinct your likely to forget it when the adrenaline starts pumping.Doin more tourneys and drilling technique is the only way to make this happen.The more tourneys you do the more you will learn to retain when the adrenaline hits.i also agree with having your sparring partner come at you like the guy did in the tourney to kinda get used to this.Honestly a guy charging you is easier to take out than a guy running away,but it is intimidating if your not used to it.Next time this happens try giving him a good side kick to the guts,that should stop him in his tracks.

[Dent]

Osu!

Originally Posted by Grappler

My BJJ coach says until you wake up in the middle of the night with your wife or gf in a armbar or chokehold

Your coach is either going to wake up alone a lot, or going to be put to sleep with a heavy frying pan!

Osu!

[Grappler]

Originally Posted by Dent

Osu!



Your coach is either going to wake up alone a lot, or going to be put to sleep with a heavy frying pan!

Osu!

Haha probably he has been divorced once hehe.

[Jinkiro]

You have to want to fight your absolute hardest. If you aren't resolute in your intentions you'll have a very difficult time overcoming yourself, let alone overcoming those whose intentions are resolute.

Shortly before my first tournament, I had a sparring match at the dojo with another karateka of similar skill and size. It was the hardest I had fought up until that point. I ended up fighting that same karateka in the tournament, and we fought even harder than before.

The moral of the story is, if you fight hard in the dojo you will fight your hardest in the tournament... but if you fight your hardest in the dojo, then when you get to the tournament your "hardest" will be even harder.