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[Last_Empire]

Greetings

I would respectfully ask those here with some knowledge to help me with knowing a little more about how to grade in Daido Juku. And when the throwing/grappling is taught.

I have read the forum, and I have gotten alot of great information that has helped alot, I really respect this forum as it seems to have alot of great people who help each other

But maybe my question is a little more specific. I am going to be in Japan for the next year, and I really want to train in Daido Juku (Much like alot of people I guess) and I would really like to know from those that have gone before me, how long it took you to get your black belt.

Now, I know the idea of getting a black belt in a year seems a little... kiza/pompus. However, I would be willing to train almost everyday (when not studying of course) and I have some background in other arts.

I know the main answer is probably that the time to get to black belt is different for everybody, and it shouldnt be about getting to black belt. However, there is little to no actual Daido Juku presence in my country and I really want to advance as far as I can in that year, as I may not be able to get back to Japan for a few years to train, so please forgive my bench mark of black belt.

Thank you for any help you may offer, or even reading this Again, I mean no disrespect or arogance in asking this question, I just would really like to be able to advance in this beautiful art

L

[Dent]

Osu!

Welcome to the Forum!

Please stop by the Introductions section, and tell us about yourself.

As for Kudo Shodan in a year? Win every tournament you enter. Convincingly.

For the grading requirements, that will depend on the Dojo you join. I can tell you that revisions are regularly made to the syllabus, so I'm probably already out of date.

Osu!

[Last_Empire]

Thank you!

From your own experience, would you know if it would be better, or even possible, to train at honbu? Or is it better to train at a different dojo?

Thank you

[Dent]

Osu!

It is certainly possible to train at Honbu. I recommend that you sort it all out before you go. That DJ is not yet represented in your country will be to your advantage.

Osu!

[Last_Empire]

Thank you

[Boulos]

Firstly i find that you have set the goal very pleasing as it will probably be a mental boost.
As for the testing, they consist of usually 3 parts(different in every dojo i suppose) The kihon (basic training and technique) The physical testing(number of push ups , sit-ups , jumping squats. etc) and finally the Kumite (the fighting stage). For a good idea of the shodan test, i suggest you look at the post made Kudoist.

There may however be a problem, this occurring with me, as of when the belt testing is due. My dojo held them once a year therefore i had to wait a hole year to get tested, because of the fact that i started kudo a few days after it was held.

However best of luck and train hard.

Osu

[Kudoist]

I had a 2nd dan in TKD, a green belt in Kyokushin, and about 2 years of muay thai experience when I started Daidojuku. It still took me about 4 years to get my black belt.
But that was training at a smaller branch, and not particularly trying to rush it.
Also I live here in Japan which actually works against you if you are in a hurry.

The fact that you have only a year in Japan and that there are no branches in your country works in your favor. Jukucho wants to spread kudo. So if you trained full time at the honbu and proved your worth to Jukucho, anything is possible.

Personally i dont really support the idea of rushing to get the belt though. Unless you already have a karate black belt and significant Muay Thai, judo and jujutsu experience. Then it would just be a matter of tying those skills together, over the space of a year, to make them work as Kudo.
Belts mean nothing unless you have the skills to back them up. Building those skills takes time and purserverance. There simply are no short cuts.
Just focus on learning as much as you can while you are here. Black belt or not it will still be a great experience.

[Dent]

Osu!

Originally Posted by Kudoist

Belts mean nothing unless you have the skills to back them up. Building those skills takes time and purserverance. There simply are no short cuts.
Just focus on learning as much as you can while you are here. Black belt or not it will still be a great experience.

With your permission, I will steal these lines and add them to the Dojo wall.

Osu!

[Last_Empire]

Thank you boulos, that was very kind of you to help me there

Kudoist, thank you, both for replying to this thread, and for your great write up in the shodan thread. I would agree with you that its not good to focus on a belt as you are completely correct about belts mean nothing with out the skills to back them up.

I suppose I should state my intention more clear as maybe I was a bit hasty in my original post. Yes, I only have maybe a little over a year in Japan this time so I suppose I am setting my goals as high as possible, as in IF there is a way, I am pretty sure I will do my best to do what it takes. I suppose the purpose I want the black belt, is as there is nothing really of great significance martial art wise in my area, I would love as much of the sylabus to take home with me and continue with, I maybe could have said that before but I suppose my mind thought "oh if i am working on black belt techniques, I will have alot to keep my busy and to practice untill i can next get to japan".

I do not have juijitsu or judo experience, I was 2nd kyu in tkd (untill i decided it wasnt real enough for me) and 3ish years each in goju ryu and a kung fu, However, I was considering and have contacted the kodokan about enrolling there also during my time in Japan to again get as much as I can. Not to rush mind, just to absorb alot. Im going over as a uni student to learn japanese language, however from the reports of my friends who have gone before me, the work load isnt siginficant that I could not have a few hours in the evenings to train, I have money saved specifically for training fees.

I dont know, i dont want to come across as a belt collector, I just want to really make the most of this opportunity while I have the spare time, and I am thinking that interacting with people in japan in a sport will give me more time to use my japanese language skills then if i go drinking and staying in the accomodation with other students who are not from japan (as I hear happens alot )

Thank you guys for taking the time to reply

[Dent]

Osu!

Training both Judo and Daido Juku at any high level may be tough on your body. With your description, I envisage about 10 classes a week. Recovery may be an issue.

Osu!

[Last_Empire]

Im glad you mentioned the recovery time actually it has concerned me recently, however I am hoping I can find a good balance, Im really trying to get my body to a higher level of fitness now so that it will be less of a shock later, however I do acknowledge im walking into this only slightly informed lol However k4l has helped in sooo many ways

[meguro]

I think you should not spread yourself so thin by taking up Judo and Daido Juku. Since you will be a newb at both, much of your training time will be covering the same basics. It would be much better to get a firm grounding in DJ while you are in Japan, and then substitute with Muay Thai, Judo, BJJ when training in DJ is no longer possible.

[Dent]

Osu!

I think Meguro has it right. Try DJ first. You may then change your mind. A year will give you many opportunities.

Osu!

[Kudoist]

Originally Posted by Dent

Osu!



With your permission, I will steal these lines and add them to the Dojo wall.

Osu!

Well I'd be honored. Thanks Dent.

Osu!

[Kudoist]

Last Empire I think its great that you are coming over here with a dream. I once did the same thing. And I'm still Here!
I dont think you will need the extra Judo. Honbu training should give you plenty enough on your plate as it is.
Japanese attitudes to cross training at other dojos aren't quite as open as in the West. So it may prove counter productive to your goal. But I totally understand you wanting to make the most of your trip.
I wish you all the best.
Come see me some time while you are here and I'll show you some of the things we do at our dojo.

OSU

[Dent]

Osu!

Originally Posted by Kudoist

Well I'd be honored. Thanks Dent.

Thanks, Kudoist!

Osu!

[Last_Empire]

Originally Posted by meguro

I think you should not spread yourself so thin by taking up Judo and Daido Juku. Since you will be a newb at both, much of your training time will be covering the same basics. It would be much better to get a firm grounding in DJ while you are in Japan, and then substitute with Muay Thai, Judo, BJJ when training in DJ is no longer possible.

Originally Posted by Dent

Osu!

I think Meguro has it right. Try DJ first. You may then change your mind. A year will give you many opportunities.

Osu!

Originally Posted by Kudoist

Last Empire I think its great that you are coming over here with a dream. I once did the same thing. And I'm still Here!
I dont think you will need the extra Judo. Honbu training should give you plenty enough on your plate as it is.
Japanese attitudes to cross training at other dojos aren't quite as open as in the West. So it may prove counter productive to your goal. But I totally understand you wanting to make the most of your trip.
I wish you all the best.
Come see me some time while you are here and I'll show you some of the things we do at our dojo.

OSU

Ah thanks guys I was for some reason thinking I would not get the grapple content untill higher kyu (which I may not achieve in my time there), so kind of wanted to pave the way for learning the judo content in daido juku easier, however I see that my thinking may have been putting more cart before horse and shows the big gap in my understanding of what I percieve I will learn at daido juku

This actually makes things alot easier, Ill go and see whats what, then make decisions, thank you

Thanks kudoist, that would be great!

[laokon]

Originally Posted by Last_Empire

Ah thanks guys I was for some reason thinking I would not get the grapple content untill higher kyu (which I may not achieve in my time there), so kind of wanted to pave the way for learning the judo content in daido juku easier, however I see that my thinking may have been putting more cart before horse and shows the big gap in my understanding of what I percieve I will learn at daido juku

This actually makes things alot easier, Ill go and see whats what, then make decisions, thank you

Thanks kudoist, that would be great!

Hello

usually you train in newaza (grappling) all the time at the Honbu Dojo. They don't split lessons, yout spar with everyone. It's only for belt graduations that grappling comes latter.

From 6kyu up you start having grappling rounds in your belt examination if i remember right.

Tsuchida Shinya sensei from paris usually makes it like follows (and he is pretty strict on the traditionnal way of teaching kudo):

white -> yellow : fights under kyokushin rules with NHG
yellow -> brown: fights under kyokushin rules, muay thai rules, grappling rules and kudo rules. numbers of fights varie depending on the belt you try, your age and your performance.

Hope this helps you at least a bit

Osu

[Last_Empire]

laokon! Thank you so much, that more then helps a little bit, that amazingly helps alot! Ive wondered for so long how it goes thank you so much!!

[laokon]

You're welcome, glad I was usefull

As said, that's the traditionnal way. But some dojos might have changed that a bit, so that's not an absolute rule

Forgot to say, all the fights where strinking is involved are done with NHG helmet

osu

Lao