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[Dobbersky]

The Ashihara karate katas are based on basic control techniques. The katas are applicable to real fighting situations making them unique in the world of karate.

There are six kata types:
� Beginners kata - Shoshin no kata. We have 3 of these
� Basic kata - Kihon no kata. We have 3 of these
� Throwing kata - Nage no kata. We have 3 or 4 of these depending on your Organisation
� Sparring kata - Kumite no kata. We have 5 of these
� Fighting kata - Jissen no kata. We have 1 or 2 of these depending on your Organisation
� Self-defense kata - Goshin no kata. We have none of these

From much reading on the core of my Style which is Ashihara Karate, I believe that Kancho Hideyuki Ashihara when creating his karate decided of 5 of each type of kata, thus formulating 30 Kata in total.

At present apart from Kumite, Nage and Jissen, we have 3 of each type of Kata. If it is therefore percieved that 3 of each was the actual goal of Kancho Hideyuki Ashihara then we are all missing 1 more Jissen no kata and 3 Goshin no kata.

I wonder if Kancho Hidenori Ashihara and the Senior Shihans of Ashihara are working on the formulation of these kata and will they only be available via Honbu for the Uchi Deshi

OSU!!!

[ashiharakaicho]

Originally Posted by Dobbersky

The Ashihara karate katas are based on basic control techniques. The katas are applicable to real fighting situations making them unique in the world of karate.

Whilst I am pro Ashihara and pro Ashihara kata - this is not 100% true as the attacks in the kata are "karate" attacks.

From much reading on the core of my Style which is Ashihara Karate, I believe that Kancho Hideyuki Ashihara when creating his karate decided of 5 of each type of kata, thus formulating 30 Kata in total.

In "More Fighting Karate", Sendai Kancho had 5 kata's for all with the exception of Shoshinsha which only has 3.

At present apart from Kumite, Nage and Jissen, we have 3 of each type of Kata. If it is therefore percieved that 3 of each was the actual goal of Kancho Hideyuki Ashihara then we are all missing 1 more Jissen no kata and 3 Goshin no kata.

In the same book mentioned, whilst there are 5 listed for the Kihon group, only four of them are marked. However, I never saw the 4th one or are aware of it being done.

Shihan Cook had a Jissen 2 which one of my seniors learnt from him during his visit here so many years ago. I never learnt that because no one that I had trained with could say where it originated from. He also has some Goshin kata which he developed himself. During a visit to Australia, I shot a video clip of Martin McCormack (who was graded to Yondan by Kancho) performing Nage no Kata 4. I've looked at it many times, but haven't practised it as I was not taught that.

I wonder if Kancho Hidenori Ashihara and the Senior Shihans of Ashihara are working on the formulation of these kata and will they only be available via Honbu for the Uchi Deshi OSU!!!

The most senior Japanese instructor - Shihan Noriyoshi Nakamoto left and formed his own style - Nakamoto KaiKan. The two instructors that ran the Honbu dojo during the time of Kancho's illness and his subsequent passing: Horishi Harada (Josui KaiKan) and Teruo Nobuhiro (SD Tornado), also left and formed their own groupings.

That leaves Nishiyama (Tokyo Shibu) as one of the more seniors in their group. He has been most active in producing video/dvd material and amy possibly be of help.

NIKO also has "Buki No Kata" and "Enshin no Kata", not sure if they have been made "public."

The AKI will practise the kata we learnt during the time period of Sendai Kancho as well as some other additional (not compulsory ones) for tournament and weapons training.

[Nix]

The Ashihara Goshien no kata does exist. It is not in the curriculum, but it is practiced in Japan.

Originally Posted by Dobbersky

From much reading on the core of my Style which is Ashihara Karate, I believe that Kancho Hideyuki Ashihara when creating his karate decided of 5 of each type of kata, thus formulating 30 Kata in total.

This is news to me. Where did you read this?

Buki no kata and Enshin no kata, I have never heard of.

[ashiharakaicho]

Originally Posted by Nix

The Ashihara Goshien no kata does exist. It is not in the curriculum, but it is practiced in Japan.

Only in Japan? Do you know who developed it?

Buki no kata and Enshin no kata, I have never heard of.

Please see http://www.ashihara-karate.com/eng/sabaki.htm

[Azimuth]

The AIKO organisation talks about 3 Goshin no kata's in their syllabus i wonder which ones these are then

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j...0iLPFKoiGrnLUg

[ashiharakaicho]

Originally Posted by Azimuth

The AIKO organisation talks about 3 Goshin no kata's in their syllabus i wonder which ones these are then

Shihan (Soke) Cook also developed the Geiko kata other than the Goshin ones. I was told by someone that it was developed by him (a Romanian karateka) - but with the expertise that Shihan Cook has, I have no doubt it could have been his own creation.

[olyckan]

From what I understood - Goshin no kata is only teached from father to son... We may have gotten a glimpse of techniques used in it from kanchos different seminars but the whole complete Kata is only known bye Kancho Hidenori.

[ashiharakaicho]

Originally Posted by olyckan

From what I understood - Goshin no kata is only teached from father to son... We may have gotten a glimpse of techniques used in it from kanchos different seminars but the whole complete Kata is only known bye Kancho Hidenori.

Interesting point considering that in today's world, not much remains secret. Also this would perpetuate that others are not good enough to learn or be taught certain techniques.

It would also be interesting to know when the new Kancho was taught these - a few years before his death Sendai Kancho was already far gone and had lost most of his motor skills and were not able to actively practise. The new Kancho would have been under the age of 17 to have been taught those.

Just my viewpoint based on my experiences and know how.

[olyckan]

Originally Posted by ashiharakaicho

Interesting point considering that in today's world, not much remains secret. Also this would perpetuate that others are not good enough to learn or be taught certain techniques.

It would also be interesting to know when the new Kancho was taught these - a few years before his death Sendai Kancho was already far gone and had lost most of his motor skills and were not able to actively practise. The new Kancho would have been under the age of 17 to have been taught those.

Just my viewpoint based on my experiences and know how.

"that others are not good enough to learn or be taught certain technigues"
I cant agree or even understand your way of thinking here, I absolutely disagree...

Rather i would think of it like this. This is my own speculation:
Maybe old kancho wanted his son to have something of his own - something that would connect father and son through time even though old kancho passed away. Being appointed kancho at a very young age cant be easy and for that I admire our current kancho. Maybe he has found alot of strenght in training Goshin kata, reading his fathers words and interprenting and perfecting it his own way - maybe its the final piece for a grand master to truly understand how Ashihara should be taught to the world.

But thats my romantic biased version

There are surely persons with more info on this on the forum. I have only met Kancho twice and I have only spoken to him in under 5 minutes total...

[ashiharakaicho]

Originally Posted by olyckan

"that others are not good enough to learn or be taught certain technigues" I cant agree or even understand your way of thinking here, I absolutely disagree...

That's the trick - to agree to disagree - often many leaders have an opinion that they must keep some techniques reserved for their own children who are often young - using the example here of Tadashi Nakamura of Seido who will "inherit" the system, forgetting that they have seniors who have been training with them before their children have been born for example William Oliver, Charles Martin, etc.

Rather i would think of it like this. This is my own speculation:
Maybe old kancho wanted his son to have something of his own - something that would connect father and son through time even though old kancho passed away. Being appointed kancho at a very young age cant be easy and for that I admire our current kancho. Maybe he has found alot of strenght in training Goshin kata, reading his fathers words and interprenting and perfecting it his own way - maybe its the final piece for a grand master to truly understand how Ashihara should be taught to the world.
But thats my romantic biased version

This would be more realistic in that he has written material handed down by the late Kancho from which he has learnt these kata. As mentioned on another thread, on the NIKO website, mention is made of Enshin no kata and Buki no kata. From what I know, there are no Japanese instructors that trained under Sendai Kancho that even know these.

There are surely persons with more info on this on the forum. I have only met Kancho twice and I have only spoken to him in under 5 minutes total...

I have quite some video footages with the young Kancho training in the dojo that I made many years back. Must convert them to dvd some day.

[kakatootoshi]

There are also Ashihara splinter groups like Shintaiikudo, Eibukan, Enseijuku, Taizendo and others.

Shintaiikudo

You Tube

Sabaki no kata sono go

You Tube

Taizendo (Hiroki Doshin Soke, a student of Sendai Kancho)
http://budojapan.web.fc2.com/news.html

Hokubukan (Yamasaki Atsushi Shihan was asked by Sendai Kancho to come to Sohonbu to train and then teach in Hokkaido)
http://www.ab.auone-net.jp/~hokubu/

Originally Posted by ashiharakaicho

The most senior Japanese instructor - Shihan Noriyoshi Nakamoto left and formed his own style - Nakamoto KaiKan. The two instructors that ran the Honbu dojo during the time of Kancho's illness and his subsequent passing: Horishi Harada (Josui KaiKan) and Teruo Nobuhiro (SD Tornado), also left and formed their own groupings.

To set the record straight Harada Hiroshi Shihan was not the founder of Josuikaikan. The organisation was founded by Fukuoka Hatsuhiko Shihan and Harada Shihan later took over.

Buki no Kata
Could it be related to the Bukijutsu with his A-Baton which Sendai Kancho was developing before he passed away? Could it be related to the Bukijutsu taught by Matsumoto Hideki who broke away and form his Eibukan in 1993?

Enshin no Kata
It is a Kata in which all Sabaki is done in a circle with a diameter of one to two meters, according to “Jissen Ashihara Karate 3” published by Kodansha.

Goshin no Kata
I do not know who are taught but Kancho is not the only person who now knows this Kata.

[ashiharakaicho]

Originally Posted by kakatootoshi

There are also Ashihara splinter groups like Shintaiikudo, Eibukan, Enseijuku, Taizendo and others.
Taizendo (Hiroki Doshin Soke, a student of Sendai Kancho)
Hokubukan (Yamasaki Atsushi Shihan was asked by Sendai Kancho to come to Sohonbu to train and then teach in Hokkaido)

Thank you - my learning increases. I had seen a picture of Hiroki Soke's book but was not aware of his connection to Ashihara and was not aware of the Hokubukan.

To set the record straight Harada Hiroshi Shihan was not the founder of Josuikaikan. The organisation was founded by Fukuoka Hatsuhiko Shihan and Harada Shihan later took over.

Again this is news to me. Who is Fukuoka Shihan? B.t.w. today was visited by the South African shibucho for Josui Kai Kan for whom we must develop a website.

Buki no Kata
Could it be related to the Bukijutsu with his A-Baton which Sendai Kancho was developing before he passed away? Could it be related to the Bukijutsu taught by Matsumoto Hideki who broke away and form his Eibukan in 1993?

A week or so after Ninomiya Shihan left to form Enshin, I asked Sendai Kancho about the weapons kata and he was very sad that Ninomiya Shihan had left and said at that time that Ninomiya "copy and steal my techniques- and that his weapons kata was now top secret." I asked him what would happen if he had to die who would then know it and was never answered. Perhaps it was "inconsiderate of me to ask that at the time."
Kancho was happy that I had opted to remain in Ashihara Karate though and had not followed Ninomiya shihan with whom I had just spent time.

Enshin no Kata
It is a Kata in which all Sabaki is done in a circle with a diameter of one to two meters, according to “Jissen Ashihara Karate 3” published by Kodansha.

That is so - it is in the english version also, but I've never seen it or had seen anyone knowing it.

Goshin no Kata
I do not know who are taught but Kancho is not the only person who now knows this Kata.

We've opted to only practise the kata that we learnt then and are rather happy with that. We've added various ways of doing the kata in application which keeps us happy.

We try to practise the kata in different ways of application which gives us enough to do.

[kakatootoshi]

Originally Posted by ashiharakaicho

Thank you - my learning increases. I had seen a picture of Hiroki Soke's book but was not aware of his connection to Ashihara and was not aware of the Hokubukan.

Again this is news to me. Who is Fukuoka Shihan? B.t.w. today was visited by the South African shibucho for Josui Kai Kan for whom we must develop a website.

A week or so after Ninomiya Shihan left to form Enshin, I asked Sendai Kancho about the weapons kata and he was very sad that Ninomiya Shihan had left and said at that time that Ninomiya "copy and steal my techniques- and that his weapons kata was now top secret." I asked him what would happen if he had to die who would then know it and was never answered. Perhaps it was "inconsiderate of me to ask that at the time."
Kancho was happy that I had opted to remain in Ashihara Karate though and had not followed Ninomiya shihan with whom I had just spent time.
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Hiroki Soke has also trained in many different disciplines.
Their youtube channel (Taizendo formerly known as Godo)
http://www.youtube.com/user/taizendo

Fukuoka Shihan has competed in Kyokushin All-Japan. In the 9th All-Japan he lost as he punched the face of Sanpei Keiji Shihan and stopped at best 16. Fukuoka Shihan left with Ninomiya Hiroaki Shihan to join Ishii Kancho's Seidokan. He has left Karate for sometime and later formed Josuikaikan. I am sure their South African Shibucho can tell you more.

Did you learn to use A-Baton with Sendai Kancho?