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[FredInChina]

Osu,

Please respect Seinchin's thread and show that you, yes, YOU ball bearing, testosterone oozing karateki can behave.

Here is the space to make our female alter egos proud!
Friendly females are welcome here too.

Osu!



Starting with you PO1!!!

Originally Posted by powerof0ne

:sad: ...I kid, I'll abide and perhaps even making a feature on the forum where only female members can access it? It might require new members to answer if they're male or female when they sign up (and create work of going back). I think that would help tremendously in keeping females only in that part of the forum but what do I know.
Osu!

[supergroup7]

I think that it isn't necessary to make a section that only females can post, and read.. In fact, I think that this is akin to sexism against men, but I don't know how other women feel about it.

[MilkManX]

There has been a real lack of participation from some of the female members. Lucy and Aunty hardly post at all anymore.

I know from Supergroup7's blog outside of K4L that she has been super busy.

We did get Evergrey though and she is posting like crazy!

And Ros

I don't get it though and I'm not trying to be controversial.

If we're all to be treated as equals, why the seperate section just for females?

Gary

[sandman]

Sounds to me like there is suspicion that some females may be intimidated or offended by something going on with the forum, so they are inviting the females to chime in. Keeping the guys out (of that thread) might help them overcome any inhibition about posting their concerns, that's all. I don't have a problem with that.

I also don't have a problem with having a female only section of the forum - I'm sure there are some types of issues that many females wouldn't feel comfortable about discussing with men. That's respectable. There's plenty of stuff I don't really want to discuss with the ladies (mainly the ladies themselves )

[FredInChina]

Originally Posted by GJEC

(...) If we're all to be treated as equals, why the seperate section just for females?

shhhhhhhhh Gary, it is our chance to get a "male only section"...
And, if we play it well, we might also get a "locker room" section...
With cunning, we could pry a "behind the dojo" section to settle old & new accounts, bare knuckle...
osu!

[powerof0ne]

Originally Posted by FredInChina

Osu,

Please respect Seinchin's thread and show that you, yes, YOU ball bearing, testosterone oozing karateki can behave.

Here is the space to make our female alter egos proud!
Friendly females are welcome here too.

Osu!



Starting with you PO1!!!

I was actually trying to make a suggestion so that the female only section could run better. That was to be my last statement in the female part of the forum.

If you want a female only part of a forum you can very easily make it so that only the female members can see it and go in there just like we have for being support members and I'm sure the mods have a section like that to that we can't see.

I'm all aboard with a "locker room" section for Men only, too.
Osu!

[ushideshinidan]

Originally Posted by FredInChina

shhhhhhhhh Gary, it is our chance to get a "male only section"...
And, if we play it well, we might also get a "locker room" section...
With cunning, we could pry a "behind the dojo" section to settle old & new accounts, bare knuckle...
osu!

It will look more and more like a Country Club...

shhhhhhhhh Gary, it is our chance to get a "male only section"...
And, if we play it well, we might also get a "locker room" section...
With cunning, we could pry a "behind the dojo" section to settle old & new accounts, bare knuckle...

LOL Maybe ...

Gary

[kakatootoshi]

Originally Posted by GJEC

And Ros

I don't get it though and I'm not trying to be controversial.

If we're all to be treated as equals, why the seperate section just for females?

Gary

Originally Posted by MilkManX

There has been a real lack of participation from some of the female members. Lucy and Aunty hardly post at all anymore.

I know from Supergroup7's blog outside of K4L that she has been super busy.

We did get Evergrey though and she is posting like crazy!

If creating a female-only section is going to help increase the incentive the number of female members and their incentive of posting messages, I am all for it. I think instead of spending time on collecting opinions from known female members and then based on the opinions collected create a female-only section (or not), it may a more proactive method if we first "lock down" the currect female section to known female members and notify them by e-mail. The campaign for collecting opinions from female members can be done at the same time and need not be a pretext of creating a new section (or changing the security level of a currect section). And to protect the privacy of the female members I suggest that new messages/titles from the female-only section will not show up at the page where we can find titles of new messages/threads. And I think female members should also do their part in referring their female Kyokushin friends to join this forum. Referral is a very important part in female consumption behaviours.

GJEC I agree that if we are all to be treated as equal, perhaps there is no need for a separated forum. But sometimes equality can only be achieved by giving favor to a group to "bridge the difference". As an example, female may enjoy maternity/menstruation leaves. As men cannot enjoy these holidays, it can be seen as a form of inequality. But the favor given to women in these cases are to compensate the inequality that some consider they have to suffer so that at the end an equal environment can be achieved. And in our case perhaps the creation of a female-only section is to compensate for the differences in "female Kyokushin internet psychology" (the number of women who are willing to fight or train, even in Japan the so-called homeland of Karate, is a lot behind that of men, so why do not we accept there is a separate set of behaviors and values for women on kyokushin4life?). And if in the open sections there are things that male members can improve I think we should all be open-minded and listen. I am all for the creation of a female-only section and let us see how it goes. The bottomline is a female-only section will not hurt the chances of male members participating in other discussions. And personally I welcome our female members to participate in other sections as well. I do not hope the debate of establishing a female-section or not to further divide us.

And let me propose another model to explain the disappearance/inactivity of some of our known female members. First of all if you do not look at them specifically as female members, they are old members, and I see there is at the same time of many old members have disappeared/become inactive. If we concentrate too much on the losing of female members we may lose sight on our losing of some of our old members. I can say that overall speaking female members lost is only a percentage of old members lost. But the upside is the number of messages is generally on the increase so for the part of increasing the size of kyokushin4life I think we are generally successful. We cannot and should not compare the value between old members and new members. Everyone is equal. Whether to investigate the cause behind the disappearance/inactivity of some of our old members is up to our moderators/other members. The results may or may not be helpful in finding out the direction that kyokushin4life is heading. As an old member I can definitely say that kyokushin4life has changed.

[jcarmello]

This is just my opinion!!!!

I dont believe this thread or the one Seienchin started should be at all! They should be deleted.

Seienchins was designed to reach out to a minority group here on K4L, and the obligatory patronizing began immediately after. Hmmmmm????

"MODS" It is my opinion, that if this was an issue that truly concerned you, private messages should be sent out to each of the "female" members with a sort of questionnaire, about why they participate and if they are not please give us a brief description why.......then an assessment can be made amongst the MODS to determine if it is just a symptom of the times are a perceived indifference to a minority group......that may just open up some info regarding a broader spectrum of folks who are no longer posting.

To me with this post, and past ones, any woman who may want to post, may refrain out of fear that the "Tag Team" male mentality may rip them apart if they say something that is not well thought out........we kick each other here quite a bit, but there may be a few groups who are intimidated or not(?)

Again this is just my opinion, but if it is a concern, make the effort and go direct!

Osu!!

[kakatootoshi]

Originally Posted by powerof0ne

I was actually trying to make a suggestion so that the female only section could run better. That was to be my last statement in the female part of the forum.

If you want a female only part of a forum you can very easily make it so that only the female members can see it and go in there just like we have for being support members and I'm sure the mods have a section like that to that we can't see.

I'm all aboard with a "locker room" section for Men only, too.
Osu!

To be honest I am against the creation of "locker room" section. While I am very certain that you do not suggest it out of a retaliation or "I want that too" attitude, I do not think there is a pressing need for creating a "locker room" section. In previous examples there are new sections created upon suggestions but finally those new sections were rarely used. "Unnecessary" diversion may only take away the focus of discussions and create confusion to all. Futhermore, I foresee the danger in the content of the "locker room" section (vulgarness, politics).

If most agree that a "locker room" section is necessary, I suggest it to be complete separated from kyokushin4life, perhaps in the format of an instant message group. This new "group" should NOT be moderated by our moderators and all goods and bads of this new "group" should not affect the wellbeing kyokushin4life. The creation of this new "group" will respond to the need of some people in lifting the bans on certain topics. And I propose that this "group" should be operated in a semi-private manner so as not to steal away people or at worse create a split in kyokushin4life.

[sandman]

Kakatootoshi, good point about the loss of many older members, not just female ones. There are quite a number that we don't hear from much anymore...

[Deaken]

Originally Posted by jcarmello

This is just my opinion!!!!

I dont believe this thread or the one Seienchin started should be at all! They should be deleted.

Seienchins was designed to reach out to a minority group here on K4L, and the obligatory patronizing began immediately after. Hmmmmm????

"MODS" It is my opinion, that if this was an issue that truly concerned you, private messages should be sent out to each of the "female" members with a sort of questionnaire, about why they participate and if they are not please give us a brief description why.......then an assessment can be made amongst the MODS to determine if it is just a symptom of the times are a perceived indifference to a minority group......that may just open up some info regarding a broader spectrum of folks who are no longer posting.

To me with this post, and past ones, any woman who may want to post, may refrain out of fear that the "Tag Team" male mentality may rip them apart if they say something that is not well thought out........we kick each other here quite a bit, but there may be a few groups who are intimidated or not(?)

Again this is just my opinion, but if it is a concern, make the effort and go direct!

Osu!!

OSU, while everyone has good intentions, I fully agree with this proposed strategy and think it would be a more productive and less intimidating way to investigate the issue.
OSU.

[Evergrey]

Originally Posted by MilkManX

There has been a real lack of participation from some of the female members. Lucy and Aunty hardly post at all anymore.

I know from Supergroup7's blog outside of K4L that she has been super busy.

We did get Evergrey though and she is posting like crazy!

OSU,
Er about that... I am not certain I'll be able to come around much any more. Love you all! Just my overly social nature and desire to share the things I take joy in (I guess too enthusiastically) has landed me in trouble. So. I have to figure out what to do. I'm sorry
OSU

[powerof0ne]

Originally Posted by kakatootoshi

To be honest I am against the creation of "locker room" section. While I am very certain that you do suggest it out of a retaliation or "I want that too" attitude, I do not think there is a pressing need for creating a "locker room" section. In previous examples there are new sections created upon suggestions but finally those new sections were rarely used. "Unnecessary" diversion may only take away the focus of discussions and create confusion to all. Futhermore, I foresee the danger in the content of the "locker room" section (vulgarness, politics).

If most agree that a "locker room" section is necessary, I suggest it to be complete separated from kyokushin4life, perhaps in the format of an instant message group. This new "group" should NOT be moderated by our moderators and all goods and bads of this new "group" should not affect the wellbeing kyokushin4life. The creation of this new "group" will respond to the need of some people in lifting the bans on certain topics. And I propose that this "group" should be operated in a semi-private manner so as not to steal away people or at worse create a split in kyokushin4life.

To be honest, to be fair, if there is a female only section, there should be a male only section. Again, this is just my opinion and has to do with me being sick and tired of attempts to be "equal" are made without both sexes getting the same thing.
So don't have it at all or have both male and female sections is my opinion on being fair and equal.
I also don't think I have ever attacked any females on here or ganged up against them. Most of us "regulars" on here don't strike me as being against female participation at all. Maybe I'm missing something .
Maybe us goofy Men prefer to "bs" more about martial arts more then Women is what it comes down to ? Who knows...
Osu!

[KvW]

I don't feel the need for a female only section on here. I don't find anything the guys have said offensive or intimidating in any way and, if I did, I could just keep out of the thread I didn't like.

That's the beauty of the internet - no one is forcing you to read something you don't want to read. There are plenty of other valuable threads to view without poking around in those you don't like.

Osu!

[kakatootoshi]

Originally Posted by kakatootoshi

To be honest I am against the creation of "locker room" section. While I am very certain that you do not suggest it out of a retaliation or "I want that too" attitude,

I am sure I double-checked it before I post... (I am sure you can read from the second part of the sentence that a "not" must be missing from the first part as a typo, but I must still make the correction here)

Originally Posted by powerof0ne

I also don't think I have ever attacked any females on here or ganged up against them.

No you have not.

[seienchin]

Originally Posted by Evergrey

OSU,
Er about that... I am not certain I'll be able to come around much any more. Love you all! Just my overly social nature and desire to share the things I take joy in (I guess too enthusiastically) has landed me in trouble. So. I have to figure out what to do. I'm sorry
OSU

Sorry to hear that Ev - if you are a naturally sharing kind of person, it can be hard to withhold information. If there is anything we can do to help sort it out, just let us know.

On another note - some time ago, we had one potentially high risk situation develop with a female member who shared a bit too much information with another forum member, who it turned out had a criminal conviction for fairly unpleasant crimes and was still on parole. K4L and the moderators assisted the police to manage the matter. Just a reminder to all that it is good to be circumspect about what you post in public.

[FredInChina]

Originally Posted by seienchin

(...) On another note - we have had one potentially high risk situation develop with a female member who shared a bit too much information with another forum member, who it turned out had a criminal conviction for fairly unpleasant crimes and was still on parole. Just a reminder to all that it is good to be circumspect about what you post in public.

Thanks for the reminder Seienchin, K4L is such a friendly place mostly populated by like minded people that it is all to easy to forget that it has open access to all sort of pleasant less pleasant persons...
Keep your smile but your guard up folks.

osU!