difference between red and blue kanku

xsxeotakux · 08-08-2011, 01:08 AM

I have seen two types of kanku: a red ninja star -like kanku( i am assuming that this the most popular version) and a blue triangle-like kanku. Do they represent different things?

Dent · 08-08-2011, 03:17 AM

Osu!

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Originally Posted by xsxeotakux

I have seen two types of kanku: a red ninja star -like kanku( i am assuming that this the most popular version) and a blue triangle-like kanku. Do they represent different things?

The red is used by multiple groups. The blue by Kyokushinkan.

Osu!

Martin H · 08-08-2011, 11:42 AM

As dent said.
The red (usually, occasionally you see other colors) 4 "pointed" one is the original kyokushin Kanku, and is used in all organizations calling themselves kyokushin.
The blue 3 pointed one is designed for, and used exclusively by, the organization "kyokushin-kan", founded and run by Hatsuo Royama. http://kyokushinkan.org/

**FredInChina** · 08-08-2011, 12:48 PM

Osu,

Ireland kyokushin has a green kanku (*)... but then again, their black belts are green too (**)...

Osu!

(*) absolutely true

(**) absolutely not!

**ashiharakaicho** · 08-08-2011, 01:16 PM

Osu,

Whilst we do not make use of the kanku - we use the red one for kyu grades and the blue one for brown belts and up - just something to distinguish them from the lower grades. Also, from brown belt and up, we let those students have Ashihara Karate on the back of their dogi and theirs are full embroidered whereas the colour belts have patches stitched on.

Martin H · 08-08-2011, 02:01 PM

it is not really a question about color, but about shape

jcbel · 08-08-2011, 02:29 PM

I've always thought the Kyokushinkan version was a little too similar to this...

**supergroup7** · 08-08-2011, 08:05 PM

Maybe it has something to do with copyright laws, and who can use the red Kanku, and who can't?

powerof0ne · 08-08-2011, 08:45 PM

When I look at the kanku, especially the 4 sided, red one, I think about all the angles you can move to fight

. When I look at the 3 sided one I think of virtues or strength: loyalty, honor, and power....or whatever you want to make out of it. BTW, there are more then 4 ways to move but to me the 4 sided kanku shows about 8 different angles maintaining within a circle, keeping the circular flow, as I like to call it.
Osu!

wullie · 08-08-2011, 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by powerof0ne

When I look at the kanku, especially the 4 sided, red one, I think about all the angles you can move to fight

. When I look at the 3 sided one I think of virtues or strength: loyalty, honor, and power....or whatever you want to make out of it. BTW, there are more then 4 ways to move but to me the 4 sided kanku shows about 8 different angles maintaining within a circle, keeping the circular flow, as I like to call it.
Osu!

and what about when you look at your deck of cards?

powerof0ne · 08-08-2011, 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by wullie

and what about when you look at your deck of cards?

Fifty two card pick up, a game I'll organize just for you!

Osu!

xsxeotakux · 08-09-2011, 03:48 AM

Osu! thanks for clearing that up

**ashiharakaicho** · 08-09-2011, 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by powerof0ne

When I look at the kanku, especially the 4 sided, red one, I think about all the angles you can move to fight

. When I look at the 3 sided one I think of virtues or strength: loyalty, honor, and power....or whatever you want to make out of it. BTW, there are more then 4 ways to move but to me the 4 sided kanku shows about 8 different angles maintaining within a circle, keeping the circular flow, as I like to call it.
Osu!

Osu, the Ashihara logo is made up of 4 primary movements resembling the curves/lines of a baseball - check on the World List thread.

senshido · 08-09-2011, 12:10 PM

I was under the impression that the red kanku was a representation of the hand position at the start of kanku dai, looking through the gap at the sky/sun, the two thicker sides are the wrists and the thinner pieces at the top and bottom are where the thumbs meet at the bottom and the fingers at the top.

Mas · 08-09-2011, 02:04 PM

Osu

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Originally Posted by senshido

I was under the impression that the red kanku was a representation of the hand position at the start of kanku dai, looking through the gap at the sky/sun, the two thicker sides are the wrists and the thinner pieces at the top and bottom are where the thumbs meet at the bottom and the fingers at the top.

That's what I know and have been taught that throughout kyokushin.

I would clearly state that it's about the shapes and not the colour.

osu

powerof0ne · 08-09-2011, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by senshido

I was under the impression that the red kanku was a representation of the hand position at the start of kanku dai, looking through the gap at the sky/sun, the two thicker sides are the wrists and the thinner pieces at the top and bottom are where the thumbs meet at the bottom and the fingers at the top.

It is

I always take symbols a step further to mean more, or to have hidden meanings

.
Osu!

tmd · 08-09-2011, 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by sunshade

I was under the impression that the red kanku was a representation of the hand position at the start of kanku dai, looking through the gap at the sky/sun, the two thicker sides are the wrists and the thinner pieces at the top and bottom are where the thumbs meet at the bottom and the fingers at the top.

As far as I was concerned when I looked into it for my tattoo placing my wife and daughter at the top and bottom, I see my wife and daughter with their strength through technical ability/ accuracy, the two sides are my boys, strength through stability and power with the inner circle representing movement an the outer circle completeness.

Colour to me is irrelevant but to thought who selected them they probably meant something.... or just avoidance of copyright

senshido · 08-10-2011, 09:18 AM

Sunshade?? LMAO

Colour aside, I assume the Kyokushin -kan kanku is another representation of the same thing, although it only has the three points... does anyone know for sure?

**kanku** · 08-10-2011, 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by senshido

I was under the impression that the red kanku was a representation of the hand position at the start of kanku dai, looking through the gap at the sky/sun, the two thicker sides are the wrists and the thinner pieces at the top and bottom are where the thumbs meet at the bottom and the fingers at the top.

i`m with you on this one senshido!

**ashiharakaicho** · 08-10-2011, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by tmd

As far as I was concerned when I looked into it for my tattoo placing my wife and daughter at the top and bottom, I see my wife and daughter with their strength through technical ability/ accuracy, the two sides are my boys, strength through stability and power with the inner circle representing movement an the outer circle completeness.

Wow, nice take on the explanation - something new and unique!