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[MUX]

. HI evry1. Well i must tell u that i m a 16 yr old boy who started weight training in the age of 14. Right now i am a 6feet 3inches tall and has a good muscular body. Then i discovered kyokushin and started it. Initially some boys in ma dojo said that u should not train with weights cz u'll become slow,u'll loose flexibility,with a bigger muscle mass u'll hurt urself more etc........ But then i saw film rocky-4 and came to know that DOLPH LUNDGREN is 3rd dan in kyokushin and has an admiring physique so i again joined gym and currently i m doing both, weight training and karate. PLZ tell me if both thingz cud go smooth with each other cz i guess weight training gives u an advantage of strenght and endurance.... So fellowz tell me wether TO DO IT or LEAVE IT...!! i m quite confused abt it. And also tell me if i do regular streching after a gym workout WUD IT EFFECT MA FLEXIBILITY IN ANY WAY??? Belive me guys this is a major confusion among many people...... THANX.

Osu! Mux,

I'm finding it difficult reading text speak in your posts, but I can gather you seek advice on supplemental training.

There's lots on the board here, but I also suggest you read pages 91/92 of FIGHTERS ONLY magazine issue 42 (October 2008) Good article in there by Steve Maxwell that will start you off on the right path.

Good luck in your training!

Gary

[supergroup7]

It depends on what kind of weight training that you do. I would suggest asking an experienced weight lifter about these kinds of questions that concern you, and getting their advice as to how to support your Martial Art training.

[MUX]

Well thanks everyone.. and sorry CJEchamberlain and everybody else for using slangs such as 'u' for 'YOU' i would be carefull next time.. Guyz i want to know that how many of u 'male fighters' do weight train? And i hv also consulted my gym trainer he says its absolutely fine to weight train with karate.. DO EVERYBODY HERE THINKS THE SAME WAY?

[Chuck]

Originally Posted by MUX

Well thanks everyone.. and sorry CJEchamberlain and everybody else for using slangs such as 'u' for 'YOU' i would be carefull next time.. Guyz i want to know that how many of u 'male fighters' do weight train? And i hv also consulted my gym trainer he says its absolutely fine to weight train with karate.. DO EVERYBODY HERE THINKS THE SAME WAY?

many of u 'male fighters'

HERE THINKS

fresh!

nice dude

osu

[MUX]

Man its understood that female karatekas' would not like to lift heavy weights like we do... anywayz LOLZ...... ALL YOU GIRLZ JUST DONT GET OFFENDED.... PLZ THANK YOU........ NO INTENTION OF OFFENDING, NO HARD FEELINGS..

[tmd]

MUX - I don't know of many fighters who don't use weights as supplementary in some way but it's not what you do it's how you do it. I have learned the hard way that there is so much training you can do that is either not complimentary to what we do or actually negative.

You are a big guy and will be competing against big guys so you need power in what you do so what you should add to your training in Power lifting exercises, these are scheduled in the same way as weight training fir Body Building I would suggest you seek out BigAl and PM him - he is always willing to give advise and is so much more knowledgeable than I about how to lift heavy stuff properly.

[jcc]

Osu! MUX,

At your age and as begginer (I presume!) I would concentrate on getting your basics and technique right before anything else. If you want to do extra work outside the dojo that´s great and there are some basic exercises like squats, leg-ups/crunchies and push-ups that will help your karate far more than pushing weights. Or practicing kihon/kata slowly, holding the stances for as long as possible will also help your strength and stamina.

Osu!

[StarKodama]

Originally Posted by MUX

Man its understood that female karatekas' would not like to lift heavy weights like we do... anywayz LOLZ...... ALL YOU GIRLZ JUST DONT GET OFFENDED.... PLZ THANK YOU........ NO INTENTION OF OFFENDING, NO HARD FEELINGS..

You have quite a way with words, don't you? A man after my own heart. But believe it or not, I actually know quite a few GIRLZ that like to LIFT HEAVY WEIGHTS! LOL OMG!

[supergroup7]

Um... lifting weights is a woman's activity just as much as a man's activity. It actually helps women keep their bone mass, and avoid osteoporosis problems.

I haven't had the time recently to continue my weight training program (due to the level of demands in my life) but I can tell you that it's a big part of my training.

[DKKC]

Well ... I wanted to make some suggestions but they will obviously not be good enough!

So I'll say just one word ('cose I'm nice like that!) - Kettlebells!

[seienchin]

Originally Posted by MUX

Man its understood that female karatekas' would not like to lift heavy weights like we do... anywayz LOLZ...... ALL YOU GIRLZ JUST DONT GET OFFENDED.... PLZ THANK YOU........ NO INTENTION OF OFFENDING, NO HARD FEELINGS..

Not offended. Just don't understand why you think it is "understood". I suspect you haven't trained with many women! We have just as much need for strength and power as the men do, and the physiology of training is exactly the same. The reason that women are often given different types of weights workouts at the gym is that instructors (at gyms) often ASSUME that women are universally seeking merely to look sexy as the goal of their training.

Now - I think you have been beaten up enough, but thanks for giving us an opening to resoundingly endorse that weights training is good for everybody and not just for men.

how should you go - depends on your goals. The diversity of outcomes achievable in weights training is matched by the diversity of workouts available. But if you are just seeking to look buff....well, plain old hard karate training will do that for you.

Be cautious about bulk, because it does slow you down and impede flexibility. (If I may be cheeky, it is one area where MEN should be more careful in their weights training than women. Women generally can train as hard as they like without the worry of becoming muscle-bound).

[MUX]

Well thats a good thing. If u do weight train that certainley gives you an upper hand over the one who doesn't... And believe me ONE SHOULD WEIGHT TRAIN. And i would like to mention that this community has one of the greatest people in the world. Every one gives you good advices. GLAD I FOUND THIS SITE.. OSU....!!!!

[Paedde]

Weight training, if used correctly, can better your performance in kyokushin or any other sport.

Speak with your coach in your gym, he should be able to give you a program tailored to your needs.

Osu

PS: Please watch your language a bit, this is an online forum and not MSN or something similiar. I'm not much older than you, maybe take some time to read your post again before you post it. It will look more appealing to read and will look more polite if you use correct language.

[Dent]

Osu!

Originally Posted by seienchin

The reason that women are often given different types of weights workouts at the gym is that instructors (at gyms) often ASSUME that women are universally seeking merely to look sexy as the goal of their training.

Be cautious about bulk, because it does slow you down and impede flexibility. (If I may be cheeky, it is one area where MEN should be more careful in their weights training than women. Women generally can train as hard as they like without the worry of becoming muscle-bound).

I think that as far as regular gyms go, it's understood that the majority of both sexes are in there to appeal more to the opposite sex. Those who go for additional sport specific type training are in the minority, and are usually easy to identify. Their attitude speaks for them.

One of the best female Karateka I know had the most amazing ability to bulk up. Her genetic predisposition was considered a gift from above by the guys, but a double-edged sword for her. While her power and muscle were great for training, she had the devil of a time when it came to finding clothes that fit.

Even into her forties, she could easily develop thick, full, muscle bellies, and still maintain excellent flexibility!

Osu!

[seienchin]

Originally Posted by Paedde

Weight training, if used correctly, can better your performance in kyokushin or any other sport.

Speak with your coach in your gym, he should be able to give you a program tailored to your needs.

Osu

PS: Please watch your language a bit, this is an online forum and not MSN or something similiar. I'm not much older than you, maybe take some time to read your post again before you post it. It will look more appealing to read and will look more polite if you use correct language.

MUX - this post from Paedde made me reflect that we do need to remember that a significant number of our members do not have English as their main language. Using lots of abbreviations just makes it harder for them to understand and respond helpfully. We are an international community, and you will find that people respond better if they can actually understand what you write!

[Roadrunner]

I would say as long as you train and stretch it is great if you try to be a muscle bound then it is not I kn ow of 2 Kyokushin men who were bodybuilders and great Martial artist, one was Mike Dayton who fought Antonio Anoki in japan Mike was also mr America and also Sosai's friend and student Don Buck.

[GEO]

i would say you should stay at the basics of weight training:focus on squats military press bench press rowing bicep curls triceps :french press. a training program could be:streching excercises to 10 min . squats 3sets 10-reps bench press 3sets 10 reps rowing 3sets10 reps military press 3sets 10reps biceps 2set 5reps triceps 3 sets 10 reps(most of the punching power come from press movements try narow bench press with a close grip) ab training chrunches 3-20reps streching 5 to 10 minutes .try this program twice a week with 3 days in between.good luck and keep on training

[Kansetsu]

OSU!

I do Oyama (well, will be doing it again once i finish healing)...and i Power Lift. Power Lifting helps me a lot doing training...Flexability is slightly hindered, but not too much.

Even my Sensei power lifted during his competition days.

OSU!

[Roadrunner]

I agree wt Lifting is great it just up to you if you are lifting for power competition or to get stronger, If you get to bulky then you get slow but if you train right you have power, speed and focus from wt. lifting