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[robc]

This is directed towards any of you who train Kudo:

What is the most similar combination of arts to train in when no Kudo instructor is available? I live no where near a Kudo instructor (USA, west coast). I know that the art will eventually spread to more areas closer to me. If I had to pick only two arts to train in to give me a good base on which to build once Kudo comes closer to me, which would they be?

Judo, boxing, muay Thai, Kyokushin, BJJ, MMA, wrestling, others?

When considering the question, please keep in mind these factors:

1) I have on average about an hour a day to train;
2) I live and work within reasonable proximimity to good quality instructors in all of those disciplines;
3) I have a family that I enjoy spending time with so travelling to Japan for an extended instensive training period is highly unlikely.
4) I am not a youngster and have a working knowledge of stand-up and ground fighting.

Any feedback would be greatly appreciated.

[kakatootoshi]

I suggest Muay Thai + BJJ/MMA.
(I do not study Kudo, but I have heard that not all fights in Kudo are stand-up+striking, some Kudo fights are under Kyokushin rules, so perhaps you also need to familiarise yourself with Kyokushin fighting).

My best advise is, Kudo is very good, but if you do not know if Kudo will ever come near you (there are discussions on kyokushin4life about the presence of Daidojuku in US), I do not think you should ever worry about studying martial arts to fit yourself into Kudo. It is a different question if you ask what martial arts you should study to make yourself an more all-rounded fighter under a certain set of rules. There is no need to be too religious about Kudo, Kyokushin or whatever art you like but location and time prevent the it from ever coming near you.

[shidokanatlanta]

i would suggest muay thai and judo.

[powerof0ne]

don't know whats available to where you live but basically find what you think is a good school that offers good striking, throws/takedowns, and grappling. Which could be muay thai, kickboxing, boxing, judo, bjj, wrestling, etc. Not all things under the same name are equal.

[Sonny Crockett]

I training in thai boxing, enlgish boxing and grappling...

[Mixmasta01]

Originally Posted by robc

This is directed towards any of you who train Kudo:

What is the most similar combination of arts to train in when no Kudo instructor is available? I live no where near a Kudo instructor (USA, west coast). I know that the art will eventually spread to more areas closer to me. If I had to pick only two arts to train in to give me a good base on which to build once Kudo comes closer to me, which would they be?

Judo, boxing, muay Thai, Kyokushin, BJJ, MMA, wrestling, others?

When considering the question, please keep in mind these factors:

1) I have on average about an hour a day to train;
2) I live and work within reasonable proximimity to good quality instructors in all of those disciplines;
3) I have a family that I enjoy spending time with so travelling to Japan for an extended instensive training period is highly unlikely.
4) I am not a youngster and have a working knowledge of stand-up and ground fighting.

Any feedback would be greatly appreciated.

What arts are available to you?

[Kudoist]

The most prominent influences in Kudo are Kyokushin, Muay Thai, Judo and BJJ.
So any combination of those arts would be suitable to help prepare for Kudo competition. I mainly train in Muay Thai and BJJ, which I feel are the most essential. But some Judo skills would really be usefull too.
An MMA gym would also be a good option.
My advice though would just be to find a dojo that really feels right to you and dedicate yourself to that art.
The most important thing is to get a strong base in one style, under a good instructor.

[Okamido]

It would be a great advantage to find a training partner that is interested in Kudo, or helping you with your Kudo training.

Then, as well as training in a specific system, add regular sessions with your training partner where the two of you can modify what you have be taught with regards to the Kudo format.

Ideas,

Following on from a Muaythai Kickboxing session, you could free-spar together wearing Gi's and maybe the Headguards, and add to the standup method, gi-grabbing and headbutt, catch the Kicks and take down.

Following on from Judo / Ju Jitsu training, you could free-spar together, for short specific 30 second bursts, or roll whilst allowing the player on his back to strike the player in top postion ( Elbows, Gi-Grab-Headbuts etc.. ).

This is kind-of a jigsaw method, and requires a few specific pieces. Ideally a Kudo training partner!

Maybe this could help.

The instructional DVD's can also help, and also the instructional book. Althought the book is in Japanese, it is easy enough to follow with very clear pictures.

The English is a little off though, i.e. the use of the head-BAT!




Osu!

[Dent]

Osu!

Originally Posted by Okamido

The English is a little off though, i.e. the use of the head-BAT!

Ooops!

Sorry, Mum!

Osu!

[tmd]

Originally Posted by Kudoist

My advice though would just be to find a dojo that really feels right to you and dedicate yourself to that art.
The most important thing is to get a strong base in one style, under a good instructor.

OSU! Kudoist - you saved me some typin Spot on advise- all the tyles you mentioned are good but it is the instructor not the art you should put time into

[robc]

Thank you all for the advice, particularly Kudoist, Okamido and Shidokanatlanta. High quality instruction is available in all the arts you mentioned. I think I'll continue my BJJ and Muay Thai, and work in judo if at all possible with some of the BJJ guys who are also judoka.

Thanks again, all.

[Boulos]

I suggest Muay thai and judo, or kyokushin instead of the muay thai but nowadays kudo is probably closer to muay thai then it is to its base of kyokushin with the clenching and all.
Good luck with the training bro and enjoy

Osu !!

[Aledo]

KUDO = Kyokushin + Boxing + Judo + other martial arts in a little part. All of them was adapted for mixed fights - punches, kicks, and grappling is one body in sparring.

[powerof0ne]

Originally Posted by Aledo

KUDO = Kyokushin + Boxing + Judo + other martial arts in a little part. All of them was adapted for mixed fights - punches, kicks, and grappling is one body in sparring.

I know for a fact that Kato Shihan has a diverse background in muay thai under Master Toddy. He spent quite a while in Las Vegas privately training with Master Toddy's staff and did some muay thai fights while there. I also know that Kato isn't the only kudoka with specific training in muay thai...

Correct me if I'm wrong but I was lead to believe he's now a shihan...either way, he's one bad mama jama.
Osu!

[meguro]

If you watched the Nov '09 Hokutoki on DVD, YouTube or live, the Russian Kudoka made it look simple: train big looping hooks and a jump spinning back kick. That's it.

[CriticalJo]

You're probably just best training at a MMA Gym or a Gym that has a bunch of Martial Arts under one roof. If you're really set on learning Kudo my best recommendation would be to talk to the guys who do Private Lessons at MMA places. Mostly due to more often then not they'll have a bigger Martial Arts base then average. Tell them specifically what you're trying to achieve and I'm sure they'll accommodate you.

For example if you want to learn how to transition from strikes into a gi throw there may be someone at that gym who studies both Judo and Muay Thai who can show you how to set that up. Granted you might have to give them some time to develop a lesson so they can teach you that but it shouldn't be too terribly difficult.

Another great thing would be to find a few like minded individuals and during Open Mat nights come together wear Dogi's and work on training Kudo style with preferably someone (or multiple people) with enough experience to correct you on your form to make sure you don't fall into bad habits.

It'll definitely be hard to accomplish and it definitely wont happen over night but you can sort of get Kudo like instruction. Now would I recommend it myself? No. Kudo is great and all but even if you go through everything I've mentioned you wont be learning Kudo. You'll be learning MMA Fighting (debatedly) with a Gi and that's not Kudo. Your better off learning something else, and if you're still really interested in it saving your money and traveling to learn it. Not saying move, but take a vacation where you spend your time studying it.